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2018 LG B8 Available for June 16th

The LG B8 is finally available for orders. Best Buy has it listed. It's so expensive compared to the C8 sales.

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^now it begs the question, is the a9 processor worth 200 more than the a7?
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Yes. Smooth gradation (getting rid of banding ) is so worth it
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Is smooth gradation available on the A7 processor in the B8?
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Yes. Smooth gradation (getting rid of banding ) is so worth it
True, but I have it disabled on my C8, and see no issues on my end.
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Is smooth gradation available on the A7 processor in the B8?
I don't think so, could be wrong but that might be the a9's selling point.
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^now it begs the question, is the a9 processor worth 200 more than the a7?
I bet on the streets it is less then $200 which makes you wonder why the B8UA is even offered....
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Yeah I am not seeing the point of this model. Since it doesn’t have the A9 it should be at least their “stripper” model and be significantly cheaper more like at least $700 or $800 less than the C8.

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Is smooth gradation available on the A7 processor in the B8?

From what I have read, the only difference LG has listed between α7 and α9 models is support for 120Hz HDR 4k video files from USB, which the α9 can do, while the α7 can only do 120Hz or HDR not both at the same time at 4k. No idea where you even get a 4k HDR 120Hz video file to play back from USB. I don't recall any other differences being listed by LG.

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True, but I have it disabled on my C8, and see no issues on my end.

What is the name of the setting that does that?

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Here is a B8 review

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I bet on the streets it is less then $200 which makes you wonder why the B8UA is even offered....
Well in some countries, $200 equates to 4x that. I don't think the B8 is targeted towards the US market primarily.

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^ and the assumption that everyone buys their displays via the internet which we know isn't true. Good to see a less expensive option for the traditional retail channel. Expect it will drop in price as time goes on.
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No idea why as well, the gap is too small but maybe LG will give the most deals on it to draw in more customers.

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Hi, I want to make sure I understand you when you say "banding".

I spent many years with an Elite Pioneer Kuro Pro and while the overall picture was awesome, it was darker than LCD. What I never saw was the degrading of black background like night skies and on my new Samsung 4k I am amazed how bad it is. I call it color banding, I think. Dark colors washed out, I guess is the way to say it but not washed out as in inferior picture quality but almost like interference in the signal, if that is the "banding" you are referring to, are you saying it is gone with this product?

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Hi, I want to make sure I understand you when you say "banding".

I spent many years with an Elite Pioneer Kuro Pro and while the overall picture was awesome, it was darker than LCD. What I never saw was the degrading of black background like night skies and on my new Samsung 4k I am amazed how bad it is. I call it color banding, I think. Dark colors washed out, I guess is the way to say it but not washed out as in inferior picture quality but almost like interference in the signal, if that is the "banding" you are referring to, are you saying it is gone with this product?

Thanks.

The smooth gradation feature is for color banding. Instead of a clean break at color changes, it will be a gradual change.

Examples from wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour..._example01.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour..._-_1068397.jpg

LG C8 Smooth gradation Off vs Medium on low quality Blu-Ray disc from this post -->https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...l#post56037272

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The smooth gradation feature is for color banding. Instead of a clean break at color changes, it will be a gradual change.

Examples from wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour..._example01.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour..._-_1068397.jpg

LG C8 Smooth gradation Off vs Medium on low quality Blu-Ray disc from this post -->https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...l#post56037272

Off:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...p;d=1523776105

Medium:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...p;d=1523776108
Wow, I wonder if Sony has similar. I wont consider Samsung since both of the 4k sets I bought have issues staying connected to the wifi and I am not the only one.

Thanks, while the LG will be pricey, I may have to do it.

What feature on LG or Sony am I looking for in product details that will accomplish this, if listed as such? If I buy at Costco, LG, would there be an OLED they sell that is LG that would NOT have this feature? MPEG noise reduction? I see it says that, I wonder if I have that on my Samsung from 2016.

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Wow, I wonder if Sony has similar. I wont consider Samsung since both of the 4k sets I bought have issues staying connected to the wifi and I am not the only one.

Thanks, while the LG will be pricey, I may have to do it.
I believe the Sony can work on smaller blocks of banding, while LG will work for larger sections like the sky or a wall. That's what some posts say.

Prices can be discussed in the found deals sub forum threads:

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I believe the Sony can work on smaller blocks of banding, while LG will work for larger sections like the sky or a wall. That's what some posts say. Prices can be discussed in the 2018 LG OLED deals thread here -> https://www.avsforum.com/forum/322-o...-w-series.html
Thanks, so LG it is I guess. These model #'s are confusing. I see this at Costco Model #OLED65C8AUA

Which I guess is the one being discussed here. No, the one here is B8, are they both 2018 models so to speak and the C is more money for some reason?

I am not asking about price, just features vs price.

Funny thing is I really need more than 65 inches. The 77 inch version is way too much money. I want the best and biggest at bargain prices LOL, not gonna happen.
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Thanks, so LG it is I guess. These model #'s are confusing. I see this at Costco Model #OLED65C8AUA

Which I guess is the one being discussed here. No, the one here is B8, are they both 2018 models so to speak and the C is more money for some reason?

I am not asking about price, just features vs price.

Funny thing is I really need more than 65 inches. The 77 inch version is way too much money. I want the best and biggest at bargain prices LOL, not gonna happen.
The B8 has a gimped video processor A7.

All the other models use the A9 video processor and different cosmetics and a soundbar (E8, G8, W8).
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Thanks, so LG it is I guess. These model #'s are confusing. I see this at Costco Model #OLED65C8AUA

Which I guess is the one being discussed here. No, the one here is B8, are they both 2018 models so to speak and the C is more money for some reason?

I am not asking about price, just features vs price.

Funny thing is I really need more than 65 inches. The 77 inch version is way too much money. I want the best and biggest at bargain prices LOL, not gonna happen.
The C8 has a higher-end processor (though it is debatable what real-world difference that will make) and different styling.

The 77C8P is widely expected to 'dip' to $5K by November (if you can be patient).
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The C8 has a higher-end processor (though it is debatable what real-world difference that will make) and different styling.

The 77C8P is widely expected to 'dip' to $5K by November (if you can be patient).
Awesome, actually I wont be doing this until next year as it is for a new house in a new location.

Thanks..So the other person says "gimped" processor, I guess all I care about is getting the best color banding reduction and the best UHD HDR with Dolby vision etc.

When it says color banding I always get a bit confused, I see it the most with black images or very dark. But I assume it is the same thing.

Why does anyone even consider Sony or Samsung if the LG is this superior especially in the banding area, or does Sony and now Samsung also do this? I know most people dont dig this deep but of those who do why would they pick either of those two over LG? Other than price.

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Wow, I wonder if Sony has similar. I wont consider Samsung since both of the 4k sets I bought have issues staying connected to the wifi and I am not the only one.

Thanks, while the LG will be pricey, I may have to do it.

What feature on LG or Sony am I looking for in product details that will accomplish this, if listed as such? If I buy at Costco, LG, would there be an OLED they sell that is LG that would NOT have this feature? MPEG noise reduction? I see it says that, I wonder if I have that on my Samsung from 2016.

Yes Sony has had the color band smoothing quite a while and are supposedly the best at it so far. 2018 is LG's first attempt at it, and for some reason they combined it with noise reduction, which is unfortunate since sometimes you don't want noise reduction on (since it deletes fine detail). I would be surprised if LG doesn't keep the features pretty much the same across the 2018 OLED models. 2017 models of course did not have this feature.

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Awesome, actually I wont be doing this until next year as it is for a new house in a new location.

Thanks..So the other person says "gimped" processor, I guess all I care about is getting the best color banding reduction and the best UHD HDR with Dolby vision etc.
You've got time. Follow the owner threads. By November all of the details should be clear.

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When it says color banding I always get a bit confused, I see it the most with black images or very dark. But I assume it is the same thing.
"Color banding" refers to the visible 'steps' in color gradation visible over a uniform-but-tapering field (such as sky).

'Banding' has been co-opted by the WOLED crowd to refer to near-black nonuniformity/streaking visible on 3%-5% near-black fields and most commonly visible on actual content in the form of DSE (dirty screen effect) in pans over dark scenes.

Color banding and techniques to reduce/eliminate it are processibg-based and so different vendors will have different approaches and different effectiveness.

Near-black nonuniformity of WOLED panels is a manufacturing artifact hard-wited into the panel itself, and since all WOLED TV manufacturers rely on the same panels manufactured by LGD, they are all pretty much identical in this regard (though they do all vary by model year as LGD makes improvements to their panels).

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First, you need to clarify whether you are talking about technology (WOLED versus LED/LCD/QLED) or manufacturer/brand.

Sony makes both LCDs and WOLED TVs (using LGD's panels). Many consider the Sony WOLEDs the best TVs because they marry Sony's storied processing prowess with LGD's best-in-class WOLED emisdive panels.

LGE also makes both LCDs (using LGD's IPS-LCD panels) and WOLEDs (using LGD's WOLED panels).

Samsung makes only LED/LCD TVs (including the quantum-dot-enhanced LED/LCDs they have branded QLEDs).

Here is a review comparing Samsung's flagship Q9 QLED to LGs entry-level C8P WOLED: https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...-lg-c8/599/600

And here is another one comparing the C8 to Sony's A8 WOLED (based on the same panel): https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...ny-a8f/600/603

Rtings is a good site to compate prospective TVs and it sounds as though their 'Gradient Test' is a test that might be especially important to you

Gradient Test
LG C8: 9.1
Sony A8: 8.5
Samsung Q9: 8.6

Good luck in your quest. In your shoes, I would learn evrything I could about the 2018 TVs you are considering and then wait to see what gets announced for the 2019 Model year at CES in January 2019 before deciding which TV to get. By then, the 2018s will be on closeout and a real deal and you'll know whether there is any must-have 2019 feature you can justify paying a (significant) early-adopter premium for...
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You've got time. Follow the owner threads. By November all of the details should be clear.


"Color banding" refers to the visible 'steps' in color gradation visible over a uniform-but-tapering field (such as sky).

'Banding' has been co-opted by the WOLED crowd to refer to near-black nonuniformity/streaking visible on 3%-5% near-black fields and most commonly visible on actual content in the form of DSE (dirty screen effect) in pans over dark scenes.

Color banding and techniques to reduce/eliminate it are processibg-based and so different vendors will have different approaches and different effectiveness.

Near-black nonuniformity of WOLED panels is a manufacturing artifact hard-wited into the panel itself, and since all WOLED TV manufacturers rely on the same panels manufactured by LGD, they are all pretty much identical in this regard (though they do all vary by model year as LGD makes improvements to their panels).



First, you need to clarify whether you are talking about technology (WOLED versus LED/LCD/QLED) or manufacturer/brand.

Sony makes both LCDs and WOLED TVs (using LGD's panels). Many consider the Sony WOLEDs the best TVs because they marry Sony's storied processing prowess with LGD's best-in-class WOLED emisdive panels.

LGE also makes both LCDs (using LGD's IPS-LCD panels) and WOLEDs (using LGD's WOLED panels).

Samsung makes only LED/LCD TVs (including the quantum-dot-enhanced LED/LCDs they have branded QLEDs).

Here is a review comparing Samsung's flagship Q9 QLED to LGs entry-level C8P WOLED: https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...-lg-c8/599/600

And here is another one comparing the C8 to Sony's A8 WOLED (based on the same panel): https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...ny-a8f/600/603

Rtings is a good site to compate prospective TVs and it sounds as though their 'Gradient Test' is a test that might be especially important to you

Gradient Test
LG C8: 9.1
Sony A8: 8.5
Samsung Q9: 8.6

Good luck in your quest. In your shoes, I would learn evrything I could about the 2018 TVs you are considering and then wait to see what gets announced for the 2019 Model year at CES in January 2019 before deciding which TV to get. By then, the 2018s will be on closeout and a real deal and you'll know whether there is any must-have 2019 feature you can justify paying a (significant) early-adopter premium for...
Great, thanks. Gradient test, OK. I see. I also see Sony gets rather low marks in Smart TV ratings compared to LG.
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There's no such thing as a perfect TV.

My advice is to prioritze your viewing/usage criteria and then list the associated metrics important for those priorities.

For lots of high-brightness gaming or always-on watching of CNN, an LED/LCD might be better than an OLED.

For lots of cable and poor-quality conpressed sources, Sony's or Samsung's processing might look better than LGs.

But fir dark-room viewing of high-quality Blurays and 4K/UHD/HDR streaming, the LG WOLEDs are tough to beat!

Oh, and the rtings.com scores for burn-in shold be taken with a very large grain of salt (unless you are buying a TV primarily to watch cable news ).
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My advice is to prioritze your viewing/usage criteria and then list the associated metrics important for those priorities.

For lots of high-brightness gaming or always-on watching of CNN, an LED/LCD might be better than an OLED.

For lots of cable and poor-quality conpressed sources, Sony's or Samsung's processing might look better than LGs.

But fir dark-room viewing of high-quality Blurays and 4K/UHD/HDR streaming, the LG WOLEDs are tough to beat!

Oh, and the rtings.com scores for burn-in shold be taken with a very large grain of salt (unless you are buying a TV primarily to watch cable news ).
Interesting, because as you may or may not have seen I watched a Pioneer Elite Kuro Pro for many years, always disliked how dark the overall picture was compared to my others which were LCD, and it was a very big difference. It was from around 2010 probably, I am bad with years, maybe older.

I dont want a dark picture. I know the OLED is not dark, per se, but I guess I need to really look at one side by side with the Samsung. AT the same time I hate the banding, color banding, I never saw that on the Pioneer and in fact didnt know it existed till I got the LCD Samsung because I dont remember seeing it on my old Sony LCD either.
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Interesting, because as you may or may not have seen I watched a Pioneer Elite Kuro Pro for many years, always disliked how dark the overall picture was compared to my others which were LCD, and it was a very big difference. It was from around 2010 probably, I am bad with years, maybe older.

I dont want a dark picture. I know the OLED is not dark, per se, but I guess I need to really look at one side by side with the Samsung. AT the same time I hate the banding, color banding, I never saw that on the Pioneer and in fact didnt know it existed till I got the LCD Samsung because I dont remember seeing it on my old Sony LCD either.
A WOLED will deliver much higher brightness that your plasma. I got one of the last 65ZT60 plasmas but it didn't last a month in our house because, while it wad fantastic at night, it as unwatchable during the day (rear windows).

No such problem with the 65C6P WOLED - plenty bright-enough for daytme viewing.

I'd be shocked to see any plasma-owner dissapointed by a WOLED because it is not 'bright enough'

If you never do any critical viewing with the lights off, an LED/LCD may be fine for your needs. Or even if the only dark-room critical viewing will be done from dead-center.

TVs with 7-bit panels were especially-susceptible to color banding. With modern 10-bit panels supporting HDR EOTF it should be much, much less of an issue.

The area you are most likely to miss your plasma if you end up with either an LCD or a WOLED is motion performance...
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A WOLED will deliver much higher brightness that your plasma. I got one of the last 65ZT60 plasmas but it didn't last a month in our house because, while it wad fantastic at night, it as unwatchable during the day (rear windows).

No such problem with the 65C6P WOLED - plenty bright-enough for daytme viewing.

I'd be shocked to see any plasma-owner dissapointed by a WOLED because it is not 'bright enough'

If you never do any critical viewing with the lights off, an LED/LCD may be fine for your needs. Or even if the only dark-room critical viewing will be done from dead-center.

TVs with 7-bit panels were especially-susceptible to color banding. With modern 10-bit panels supporting HDR EOTF it should be much, much less of an issue.

The area you are most likely to miss your plasma if you end up with either an LCD or a WOLED is motion performance...
Yeah, motion was an issue at first with the Samsung but turning off all of those type options made a huge difference. You are using WOLED term, is the what both Sony and LG are?
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