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There is no way the Xbox will do 120hz for anything other than a pixel art game.

I am a huge fan of the X but the 8 Jaguar cores (essentially burned phone parts) hold that thing back to 30hz
He defently said 4K @ 120! MAYBE IT'S FAKE NEWS!

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Yes I did and listened a couple times to be sure.
At 453 he says we will see some 4k120 and also at eArc he says you need HDMI 2.1 feature sets and is not firmware upgradable.

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We are both hearing the same thing at 453!Wow sounds like stereo!
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At 453 he says we will see some 4k120
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No it does not. Blue Moon is a developer and made a good case why outside of PC gaming it's irrelevant. Maybe next gen boxes with ryZen cores can match my i7/1080. Till then locked at 30 or 60 is fine (although God of war destroys the PS4 pro - really like 10fps at some points (calling in ghost wolves ))
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Yes I did and listened a couple times to be sure.
At 453 he says we will see some 4k120 and also at eArc he says you need HDMI 2.1 feature sets and is not firmware upgradable.

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Right before that he clearly states 4k 120 requires new silicon. He responds to the statement that the "Xbox" doesn't support 4k 120 and he says yes but that "it" (insert "a future Xbox") will in the future. So he clearly states right before your timestamp that 4k 120 "requires" new silicon. So a future Xbox will clearly have the new silicon (or perhaps they have an upgrade path planned for the XboxX).

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Right before that he clearly states 4k 120 requires new silicon. He responds to the statement that the "Xbox" doesn't support 4k 120 and he says yes but that "it" (insert "a future Xbox") will in the future. So he clearly states right before your timestamp that 4k 120 "requires" new silicon. So a future Xbox will clearly have the new silicon (or perhaps they have an upgrade path planned for the XboxX).
I know he does which is why I listened a few times to that statement. He definitely doesn't say a new Xbox will in the future. Take it at face value. We don't always have to agree.

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Met with my magnolia associate and discussed pricing of new Sony master series. He showed me email from Sony rep stating:

$3499 (USD) for 55” Z9F
I forgot price of 65” Z9F

$3999 for 55” A9F
$5499 for 65” A9F

Don’t know exact date when it will hit market.

He also mentioned despite Sony’s best technical & marketing effort LG is selling hot because for most practical purposes LG Oled come within 90-95% of performance on parameters where Sony has edge. Plus LG has a definite advantage over Sony due to brighter HDR. Most customers don’t see any reason in spending $500-$1000+ to get Sony. LG C series will always be killing Sony’s OLED sales and same will be true for Master series. LG C9 series will outsell it just like C7 outsold A1E. All that LG has to do keep C9 65” TV at 4500 making it 1000 less than Sony.
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Met with my magnolia associate and discussed pricing of new Sony master series. He showed me email from Sony rep stating:



$3499 (USD) for 55” Z9F

I forgot price of 65” Z9F



$3999 for 55” A9F

$5499 for 65” A9F



Don’t know exact date when it will hit market.



He also mentioned despite Sony’s best technical & marketing effort LG is selling hot because for most practical purposes LG Oled come within 90-95% of performance on parameters where Sony has edge. Plus LG has a definite advantage over Sony due to brighter HDR. Most customers don’t see any reason in spending $500-$1000+ to get Sony. LG C series will always be killing Sony’s OLED sales and same will be true for Master series. LG C9 series will outsell it just like C7 outsold A1E. All that LG has to do keep C9 65” TV at 4500 making it 1000 less than Sony.


As the C should outsell the A9 because the A9 is the equivalent of LG E not the C. The cheaper product doesn’t equal a better deal if you get more from the E or the A9f.
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And guess what the E street price is not much more than the C, so if the above Sony's pricing is almost double, it definitely will not sell that well. Sony needs to wake up, as it may be better than the C or E, but not double better or even double better than the A1E. Higher pricing need be significantly better, not minor better, so we shall see.

You definitely don't get more from E/G than the C, unless you like maybe a little better speakers and a little different style.

I really want Sony to succeed, but they need to get real if those are the real prices when it rolls out, which sounds like they are, as they are in line with what previous posters had heard too.

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As the C should outsell the A9 because the A9 is the equivalent of LG E not the C. The cheaper product doesn’t equal a better deal if you get more from the E or the A9f.
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Met with my magnolia associate and discussed pricing of new Sony master series. He showed me email from Sony rep stating:

$3499 (USD) for 55” Z9F
I forgot price of 65” Z9F

$3999 for 55” A9F
$5499 for 65” A9F

Don’t know exact date when it will hit market.

He also mentioned despite Sony’s best technical & marketing effort LG is selling hot because for most practical purposes LG Oled come within 90-95% of performance on parameters where Sony has edge. Plus LG has a definite advantage over Sony due to brighter HDR. Most customers don’t see any reason in spending $500-$1000+ to get Sony. LG C series will always be killing Sony’s OLED sales and same will be true for Master series. LG C9 series will outsell it just like C7 outsold A1E. All that LG has to do keep C9 65” TV at 4500 making it 1000 less than Sony.
there is no 55" Z9F, only 65 and 75. https://www.sony.com/electronics/tv/t/televisions
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The 65 ZF9 will be $3499 and the 75 ZF9 will be $5999 - could change, but looks like it's locked and loaded to me.

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I know he does which is why I listened a few times to that statement. He definitely doesn't say a new Xbox will in the future. Take it at face value. We don't always have to agree.

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Possible the 3500$ was price for 65" Z9F but that almost seems too low given what Z9D goes for and considering what they apparently want for the A9F.

And call me crazy but 4000$ for a 55 inch OLED and 5500$ for a 65 is completely outrageous. If they are serious they can go jump in a lake.

At this point OLED should be getting cheaper not pricier.
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I think you have me confused with mutelight.
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Right before that he clearly states 4k 120 requires new silicon. He responds to the statement that the "Xbox" doesn't support 4k 120 and he says yes but that "it" (insert "a future Xbox") will in the future. So he clearly states right before your timestamp that 4k 120 "requires" new silicon. So a future Xbox will clearly have the new silicon (or perhaps they have an upgrade path planned for the XboxX).
It sounds like the true meaning, got lost in translation!He admitted he couldn't read Chinese!
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Possible the 3500$ was price for 65" Z9F but that almost seems too low given what Z9D goes for and considering what they apparently want for the A9F.

And call me crazy but 4000$ for a 55 inch OLED and 5500$ for a 65 is completely outrageous. If they are serious they can go jump in a lake.

At this point OLED should be getting cheaper not pricier.
you would think, sony starting prices for their TV's have always been higher than the rest. eventually they will come down. remember when the z9d first came out? those prices were ridiculous. i think there about 50% cheaper now (at least the 65 inch version is)
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Although blu moon gets paid to know ...
🤣 funny, but he gets paid at the same place I do.

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Met with my magnolia associate and discussed pricing of new Sony master series. He showed me email from Sony rep stating:

$3499 (USD) for 55” Z9F
I forgot price of 65” Z9F

$3999 for 55” A9F
$5499 for 65” A9F

Don’t know exact date when it will hit market.

He also mentioned despite Sony’s best technical & marketing effort LG is selling hot because for most practical purposes LG Oled come within 90-95% of performance on parameters where Sony has edge. Plus LG has a definite advantage over Sony due to brighter HDR. Most customers don’t see any reason in spending $500-$1000+ to get Sony. LG C series will always be killing Sony’s OLED sales and same will be true for Master series. LG C9 series will outsell it just like C7 outsold A1E. All that LG has to do keep C9 65” TV at 4500 making it 1000 less than Sony.
Sony seems to be happy with their OLED TV sales so it is not like their OLED TV sales are poor.

Sony IR day 2018 PDF
- Introduction of OLED TVs secured our brand position in the premium segment of the market.
- Profitability improved due to high value-added product strategy focused on OLED, 4K and large-sized TVs.
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Sony seems to be happy with their OLED TV sales so it is not like their OLED TV sales are poor.

Sony IR day 2018 PDF
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- Profitability improved due to high value-added product strategy focused on OLED, 4K and large-sized TVs.
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Those prices are surely going to hurt Sony, your paying for the name IMO..The LG's are on sale constantly and I own the C8 65" it is for sure a better buy as it wins a lot of features over the A8F except maybe motion. Happy what I paid for my C8 well worth the money. GL Sony

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Complete agree, unless it was some huge technological leap, which it will not be.

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Possible the 3500$ was price for 65" Z9F but that almost seems too low given what Z9D goes for and considering what they apparently want for the A9F.

And call me crazy but 4000$ for a 55 inch OLED and 5500$ for a 65 is completely outrageous. If they are serious they can go jump in a lake.

At this point OLED should be getting cheaper not pricier.
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Wow, that comes as news to me, and a very attractive reason to stick with Sony...
Sony makes a great item......

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He also mentioned despite Sony’s best technical & marketing effort LG is selling hot because for most practical purposes LG Oled come within 90-95% of performance on parameters where Sony has edge.
You got to pay for those better items
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Complete agree, unless it was some huge technological leap, which it will not be.
A perfect uniform panel is not considered a technological leap in your mind? Can you name 1 current other tv from any manufacturer that can achieve this in a logical price range? BVS Sony monitors are excluded.

I personally wait that this uniformity thing is truly real and if it is im willing to pay a bit more for it and its a huge bargaining card into Sony's hand.

Imagine the Official threads of this tv's where the talk will not be "is my panel good? See this photos" or people saying "im very happy with my tv and i just dont run patterns to not see the problems".

For me after so many years with lcd and a few with oled this is a game changer that hits in image quality directly and with Sony processing as bonus i cannot think negative for it but i have high expectations.
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there is no 55" Z9F, only 65 and 75. https://www.sony.com/electronics/tv/t/televisions
Thanks for pointing that out you are correct it was 65” Z9F.

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How much more $1000 or $2000 ? Are they really that better ? Sony is only a few hundreds more worth than LG given it’s slightly better motion & video processing. Plus LG keeps their product better updated. I swapped A1E for C7 and didn’t regret at all. The money I saved I invested in a great def tech sound surround system. Plus I got rid of dreaded Android. It reminded me of how i felt when I went to iOS from Windows Vista.
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Sony seems to be happy with their OLED TV sales so it is not like their OLED TV sales are poor.

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It’s funny to know what makes corporation’s happy, some want to dominate premium segment like LG others are merely satisfied having got a foot in that segment. Don’t forget when Sony marketed Z9D equipped with X1 extreme as OLED killer and then came up with OLED next year. Lol !!!

For Sony to make that admission is a failure in itself given how it dominated every level of LCD/LED TV market. LG was and still is on the receiving end in that technology area. Without a doubt LG with its technical achievements and smart marketing/pricing policy has hit both Sony and Samsung out of ground in premium TV segment. A lot of buyers in the premium segment have noticed and rewarded LG for that.

I think Sony understands and accepts that reality for now and are happy with just having a foot in.

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A perfect uniform panel is not considered a technological leap info your mind? Can you name 1 current other tv from any manufacturer that can achieve this in a logical price range? BVS Sony monitors are excluded.

I personally wait that this uniformity thing is truly real and if it is im willing to pay a bit more for it and its a huge bargaining card info Sony's hand.

Imagine the Official threads of this tv's where the talk will not be "is my panel good? See this photos" or people saying "im very happy with my tv and i just dont run patterns to not see the problems".

For me after show many years with lcd and a few with oled this is a game changer that hits info image quality directly and with Sony processing as bonus i cannot think negative for it but i have high expectations.
Its just needs to be proven right
While a perfectly uniform panel is always great I wouldn't call it a technical leap. its just them calibrating uniformity at a factory level.

My last two TV's an LG E6 and 75Q9FN have both been nearly perfect uniformity wise. All sony are doing is taking something like the panel lottery and changing it with these two models to make sure you always get an uniform set. Some of us are already lucky enough to get uniform sets.
Its certainly not worth paying such a premium for in my opinion.

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Those prices are surely going to hurt Sony, your paying for the name IMO..The LG's are on sale constantly and I own the C8 65" it is for sure a better buy as it wins a lot of features over the A8F except maybe motion. Happy what I paid for my C8 well worth the money. GL Sony
I don't think Sony will have any problem selling these sets. They already have 37% of the premium TV market by revenue vs LG's 33%, and they'll sell every one of these new sets produced. That is, they are already#1 in the premium TV market, and you can bet they know how to price these sets competitively based on market data.
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