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The new Vizio appears to be an option for budget conscious movie watchers or gamers, but I would not put it in the same class as flagship TVs from the big 3, regardless of rtings ridiculous 8.6 overall score. It is still saddled with a poor OS and app support, subpar build quality, upscaling, and gradient, a budget remote with no voice support, and 1 USB 2.0 port. These features are not important to some people, but, taken as a whole, they are deal breakers for me. The Z9D easily bests it overall IMHO, let alone the Z9F. Just my opinion.
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The size of the display doesn't impact nits. A 600 nit 65-inch display and a 600 nit iPhone X will look equally bright to the same user.



I suspect a more important measurement will be sustained nits. That is, how long can these panels sustain the high output before dialing back to protect the panel and/or greatly impacting its longevity e.g. faster burn-in/down.


Screen size has a major impact on perception of brightness.
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Yes Insane specs but worse black levels with HDR. Gotta improve the precision if you're going to also increase the nits. Hopefully the Z9F will improve both from the Z9D.
Hey I mean for the price it's going for, this is a steal in my opinion. I'm extremely impressed.
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Neither one of these new models has a headphone jack according to the specs. I use my wireless headphones to hear the dialogue better at low volumes and so I can watch without waking family. Looks like I'll have to rethink the plumbing or get some new technology.
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Yea, Smartcast is mediocre, the build quality subpar... Why? It has 4 USB 2.0 ports.... Not one.

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Look at the input pictures and related text on the rtings review. It clearly shows (and says) 1 USB 2.O on the side of the unit, and none on the rear. This is unheard of on a 2018 TV afaik. My friend's $200 Sceptre has 2.
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Look at the input pictures and related text on the rtings review. It clearly shows (and says) 1 USB 2.O on the side of the unit, and none on the rear. This is unheard of on a 2018 TV afaik. My friend's $200 Sceptre has 2.
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Neither one of these new models has a headphone jack according to the specs. I use my wireless headphones to hear the dialogue better at low volumes and so I can watch without waking family. Looks like I'll have to rethink the plumbing or get some new technology.
Newer Sony TVs support Bluetooth headphones.

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That RTINGS VIZIO Quantum review is pretty compelling. However, size is a major consideration for me and I don’t see myself going lower than 75-inches for main viewing, ever. Right now I’m waiting on critical viewing reviews of the Z9F to come in to see whether or not my Z9D will replaced with an LG OLED (C8) or its new generation counterpart. It wouldn’t even be a question in my mind had I not had such a frustrating experience with Android TV on the Z9D. Unfortunately, the Z series is no longer a dead ringer for me, but that picture makes it a sentimental favorite.
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I'm lost. They are talking about the lack of USB 3.0 ports and you posted pictures circling full bandwidth HDMI ports and outside of the circle you made, it says "USB 3.0: No".
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I'm lost. They are talking about the lack of USB 3.0 ports and you posted pictures circling full bandwidth HDMI ports and outside of the circle you made, it says "USB 3.0: No".
Clearly I'm an idiot and kept seeing HDMI. 🤷
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The size of the display doesn't impact nits. A 600 nit 65-inch display and a 600 nit iPhone X will look equally bright to the same user.

I suspect a more important measurement will be sustained nits. That is, how long can these panels sustain the high output before dialing back to protect the panel and/or greatly impacting its longevity e.g. faster burn-in/down.
If used in the same field of view. If you hold your iPhone at the same distance that would equal the field of view of a larger set and both had the same nits then yes.

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The new Vizio appears to be an option for budget conscious movie watchers or gamers, but I would not put it in the same class as flagship TVs from the big 3, regardless of rtings ridiculous 8.6 overall score. It is still saddled with a poor OS and app support, subpar build quality, upscaling, and gradient, a budget remote with no voice support, and 1 USB 2.0 port. These features are not important to some people, but, taken as a whole, they are deal breakers for me. The Z9D easily bests it overall IMHO, let alone the Z9F. Just my opinion.
Vizio has always been a budget option, they have never lead the pack.
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Neither one of these new models has a headphone jack according to the specs. I use my wireless headphones to hear the dialogue better at low volumes and so I can watch without waking family. Looks like I'll have to rethink the plumbing or get some new technology.
Hmm, on A1E you can use headphone jack to connect a subwoofer to give the screen = speakers more thump. I always thought that was a neat feature. I suppose if you have a sub, you probably have speakers and a receiver, so then you'd use that plus maybe the center channel is the TV feature instead of just a sub plus the TV/screen speakers. I'm not sure if there is some wireless sub only solution if you wanted to do screen plus extra bass but no extra speakers or receiver.
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Hey I mean for the price it's going for, this is a steal in my opinion. I'm extremely impressed.


100% agree. Most people will save the few bux cause the PQ will be "good enough", or a good placeholder until the next generation of HDR tvs come and are affordable.
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100% agree. Most people will save the few bux cause the PQ will be "good enough", or a good placeholder until the next generation of HDR tvs come and are affordable.
Agreed. Slap a sheild tv box or a Roku and a Harmony remote and suddenly some of the downsides if the PQ aren't so bad.

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I hope those reasons aren't that you want to see the reaction to the announcement of A9F pre-orders for $4000/5500 55/65 for shipment September 15th but with the comical addition of a generally useless and poorly selling novelty lamp speaker. You can pretend that lamp is worth $800, remove it, and charge that much less for the preorder and it would still be a VERY expensive OLED TV. If you read back into this thread you will find plenty of "that's too much for the OLED" comments in response to the leaked 4000/5500 prices.

Where do I get these ideas about the prices, dates, and silly lamp? They just did it in Malaysia!

https://klgadgetguy.com/2018/08/14/s...nt-technology/

Hopefully, the North America strategy is quite different (and sooner, but launch before the magic Chase 8/25 deadline <See deals threads> seems less and less likely). At least it should come out before Oct 1st sales tax deadline (for some, date varies by state).
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When will the Z9F be in show rooms ?
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Regarding the Z9F that article stated “It has a brightness range three times of a conventional LED-backlight TV and it has a TRILUMINOUS Display.”

3000-ish nits range?

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Regarding the Z9F that article stated “It has a brightness range three times of a conventional LED-backlight TV and it has a TRILUMINOUS Display.”

3000-ish nits range?
Perhaps, but the "conventional" LED might be 800 nits for 2400 or who knows... Too vague to draw conclusion when the baseline is not defined.
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Perhaps, but the "conventional" LED might be 800 nits for 2400 or who knows... Too vague to draw conclusion when the baseline is not defined.
iirc conventional is 600 but who knows
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i think most LEDs without any sort of local dimming typically top out around 300-400 nit.
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Hmm, on A1E you can use headphone jack to connect a subwoofer to give the screen = speakers more thump. I always thought that was a neat feature. I suppose if you have a sub, you probably have speakers and a receiver, so then you'd use that plus maybe the center channel is the TV feature instead of just a sub plus the TV/screen speakers. I'm not sure if there is some wireless sub only solution if you wanted to do screen plus extra bass but no extra speakers or receiver.

One key is that the output needs to be constant and independent of the TV's volume control and audio out. I'll do some more digging, but the Sennheiser series that I am familiar with has a basic RCA or 1/8 - 1/4 plug design along with a transmitter/charger base.


I could be way behind the times here, but my initial look at BT headphones found more of a headset with mic setup.

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Hands on: Sony Bravia AF9 OLED (KD-65AF9) review


This tv has awesome sound too guys

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Sorry if this has been answered but does the new TV have a faster/ more responsive menu?
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^^^ that's an article they could have written two weeks ago along with all the other press at the event. It doesn't look like they had special access or new information.
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Sony Master Series A9F OLED and Z9F LED-LCD 4K HDR TVs Debut

They shouldn’t call that a review, lol. It’s just a general preview, good grief.
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Sorry if this has been answered but does the new TV have a faster/ more responsive menu?
No one has measured, but it should be faster. Some leaked numbers say about 50% faster, but again, we need to wait for real hands-on in-depth reviews (or owner comments) to conclude anything. In other words, too early to say. Also, with Android it is faster if you don't connect to the internet or at least turn down the number of background processes. Oreo is also supposed to be faster, which these new ones will have.
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The new Vizio appears to be an option for budget conscious movie watchers or gamers, but I would not put it in the same class as flagship TVs from the big 3, regardless of rtings ridiculous 8.6 overall score. It is still saddled with a poor OS and app support, subpar build quality, upscaling, and gradient, a budget remote with no voice support, and 1 USB 2.0 port. These features are not important to some people, but, taken as a whole, they are deal breakers for me. The Z9D easily bests it overall IMHO, let alone the Z9F. Just my opinion.

I agree with you, mostly, but you can't criticize Vizio's OS and then praise the Z9D. Sony's implementation of Android TV is horrible, way behind LG and Samsung SmartTV OSes, which lead the market.

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One key is that the output needs to be constant and independent of the TV's volume control and audio out. I'll do some more digging, but the Sennheiser series that I am familiar with has a basic RCA or 1/8 - 1/4 plug design along with a transmitter/charger base.

I could be way behind the times here, but my initial look at BT headphones found more of a headset with mic setup.

It does appear from the specs that the headphone/lineout/subwoofer jack has been dropped.


As for bluetooth, it works quite well with the Sony TVs. There are lots of bluetooth headsets around at various prices, usually with built in volume control (if it does not, don't get it), and many have a microphone built in too, so you can use it with your phone, but since it is usually not one sticking out (unless meant for serious gamers), you can just ignore that bit.

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I hope those reasons aren't that you want to see the reaction to the announcement of A9F pre-orders for $4000/5500 55/65 for shipment September 15th but with the comical addition of a generally useless and poorly selling novelty lamp speaker. You can pretend that lamp is worth $800, remove it, and charge that much less for the preorder and it would still be a VERY expensive OLED TV. If you read back into this thread you will find plenty of "that's too much for the OLED" comments in response to the leaked 4000/5500 prices.

Where do I get these ideas about the prices, dates, and silly lamp? They just did it in Malaysia!

https://klgadgetguy.com/2018/08/14/s...nt-technology/

Hopefully, the North America strategy is quite different (and sooner, but launch before the magic Chase 8/25 deadline <See deals threads> seems less and less likely). At least it should come out before Oct 1st sales tax deadline (for some, date varies by state).

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That article lists the 55" at RM14,999 ($3,648.06) and the 65" at RM21,999 ($5,350.61). (Based on that, I'm not sure why you rounded up to $4,000 and $5,500?)



But, I don't think a direct conversion gives us all the information we need. A big Malaysian retailer lists a 65" LG C8 at RM19,810.38 ($4,818.29) but marked down to RM14,888 ($3,621.07).


Here in the States, the 65" C8's MSRP is $3,799.99, and it is presently marked down to $2,999.99. Our MSRP is 79% of theirs, and our sale price is 83% of theirs.


So, 80% of their listed pricing for the A9F sizes gives us ~$2,918.44 for the 55", and ~$4,280.49 for the 65". I think those are closer to the introductory prices we'll see. Maybe $2,999 and $4,299.
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