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Obviously you have poor understanding of what is going on here.
And you don't have a z9f sample to test the backlighting but still you have all the understanding of what is going on. Thanks for your informed scientific analysis uhh i mean ill informed armchair analysis I am waiting for real reviews and testing of the tv.
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Sony Master Series A9F OLED and Z9F LED-LCD 4K HDR TVs Debut

While watching Rtings live chat about the Vizio P Quantum they mention the Z9D still has the best local dimming they ever tested. Its going to be really interesting to see if Sony can top themselves or at least keep the status quo.
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While watching Rtings live chat about the Vizio P Quantum they mention the Z9D is still has the best local dimming they ever tested. Its going to be really interesting to see if Sony can top themselves or at least keep the status quo.
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Obviously you have poor understanding of what is going on here.
And you don't have a z9f sample to test the backlighting but still you have all the understanding of what is going on. Thanks for your informed scientific analysis uhh i mean ill informed armchair analysis [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG] I am waiting for real reviews and testing of the tv.
The next Z could have hyperdrive or warp drive and it wouldn’t make it more or less of a Z! The Z is supposed to be the pinnacle of reference PQ for LCD and maybe an OLED killer like the Z9D was called. It don’t matter to me how they achieve the performance as long as they do! We have yet to see one perform yet. Whatever they do with the FALD or the nits, zones and chip or even the shipping box I’m sure it will be some sort of improvement in PQ heads and straight up. It may not be by a mile or it might just be slightly better and even if it’s on par head on it’s an improvement with the wide angle, e-arc 4 full HDMI ports and few other things. I trust Sony when it come to this and to call it Master series is pretty bold also! So everyone who has these theories on how it works, how about we wait and see!
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I have been following this thread with some interest, for if the Z9F is indeed superior to the Z9D (including equal or better black levels with little or no blooming), I would consider selling my 940D and getting the 75" Z9F. There has been a lot of speculation in the last few pages and it's just that, speculation. The fact that John Archer and others are reporting blooming in the letter-boxed bars doesn't sound good, but perhaps the settings weren't dialed in properly or some other variable was at play causing the anomaly.

For me, I will wait until full-length reviews come in after reviewers (like HDTVTest and others) have had the time to do ALL the necessary calibrations and testings in their own environment with their own equipment before I start calling the Z9F a 940F.
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I'm calculating another 5 years life left in my Panasonic plasma. What will the new tv be like in 5 years? Anyone care to hazard a guess?
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I'm calculating another 5 years life left in my Panasonic plasma. What will the new tv be like in 5 years? Anyone care to hazard a guess?
lol marginally better.. Oled will have gone 8k but still hasnt broken a 1000 nits nor will have a 12 bit panel :P
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Perhaps the ZF9 is tacit acknowledgement that upper tier LCDs do not command the premium they once did. Or to put it another way, OLED has captured the premium section of the market and LCD must find its place below that. In order to price the ZF9 accordingly, Sony are having to make trade-offs.
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lol marginally better.. Oled will have gone 8k but still hasnt broken a 1000 nits nor will have a 12 bit panel :P


The new c8 is close to 1000 on small windows. Oled will get there - hell in 2014 Microsoft showed a 1400 nit panel

When the z940f comes out and only hits 1200 the SDF will proclaim brightness does not matter and all the z9d owners are crazy

The c8 is getting bright enough we now see a lot of halo around white text- better than the z9 but the diffusion is real. Photons have been scattering for 14billion years

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If the Z9F only hit 1200 nits it would be a huge letdown for me and off my purchase list. You may aswell get the Oled if it was that close. I'm going to guess it will be more around 2000.
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The new c8 is close to 1000 on small windows. Oled will get there - hell in 2014 Microsoft showed a 1400 nit panel

When the z940f comes out and only hits 1200 the SDF will proclaim brightness does not matter and all the z9d owners are crazy

The c8 is getting bright enough we now see a lot of halo around white text- better than the z9 but the diffusion is real. Photons have been scattering for 14billion years
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I agree with you, mostly, but you can't criticize Vizio's OS and then praise the Z9D. Sony's implementation of Android TV is horrible, way behind LG and Samsung SmartTV OSes, which lead the market.
I agree with you completely and Android is the main reason I've never really considered buying a Sony. I should have made it clear that I was referring to the PQ aspects, particularly upscaling, in that comparison. I assert one (of several) glaring failing of rtings.com numerical rating system, which erroneously scores the Vizio at an LCD all-time best 8.6, with the obviously superior Z9D at 8.3. The 'TV Shows' ratings are equal at 8.3 because rtings only gives 7% weight to 720p upscaling, instead scoring reflections and SDR brightness at a combined 45%, admittedly making the false assumption that "The TV will be used to watch TV shows in a bright room during the day". Anyone who has actually tried to watch cable TV on any Vizio knows it is clearly inferior to all of the "big 3", and especially to the class-leading Sony upscaling. An uninformed consumer looking at these ratings would expect the Vizio to be a better TV, when in fact it is simply a better value. Sorry, I had to that out of my system.
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I agree with you, mostly, but you can't criticize Vizio's OS and then praise the Z9D. Sony's implementation of Android TV is horrible, way behind LG and Samsung SmartTV OSes, which lead the market.
I agree with you completely and Android is the main reason I've never really considered buying a Sony. I should have made it clear that I was referring to the PQ aspects, particularly upscaling, in that comparison. I'll insert here one (of several) glaring failings of rtings.com numerical rating system, which erroneously scores the Vizio at an LCD all-time best 8.6, with the obviously superior Z9D at 8.3. The 'TV Shows' ratings are equal at 8.3 because rtings only gives 7% weight to 720p upscaling, instead scoring reflections and SDR brightness at a combined 45%, admittedly making the false assumption that "The TV will be used to watch TV shows in a bright room during the day". Anyone who has actually tried to watch cable TV on any Vizio knows it is clearly inferior to all of the "big 3", and especially to the class-leading Sony upscaling. An uninformed consumer looking at these ratings would expect the Vizio to be a better TV, when in fact it is simply a better value. Sorry, I had to that out of my system.
Rtings is overrated lol. Not my go to site for reviews but I’ll admit I check their site for technical stats and info.
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I was thinking the same thing too, if the Z9F comes out with 256 zones. Then it's a 940 tv with a different name.
Come on, I doubt that is going to happen.....
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Identicle weight and power draw .... Coincidence?

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Identicle weight and power draw .... Coincidence?
Yes.
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More than ever, I believe Sony's pricing will be critical to the success of the "Master Series". With review information so readily available these days and buyers in general being a lot more tech savvy, more consumers are becoming at least marginally informed about the strengths and weaknesses of various brands prior to making a substantial investment in their primary TV. Sony brand loyalists and some videophiles point to the superior motion and upscaling as good reasons to pay a premium for their sets. For the remaining majority, how much is too much? It should be a very interesting Black Friday buying season.
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I agree with you completely and Android is the main reason I've never really considered buying a Sony. I.


It's not Android it's just sony FUBAR fork.

Android is a superior OS for tv. Look at the Nvidia shield - simply brilliant. Even the live TV integration, cable card, recording, cross app Google assistant search, low latency, hdr10 Atmos dts-x....

Sony shoved a crappy version onto a raspberry pi $2 could. Any OS would suck

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It's not Android it's just sony FUBAR fork.

Android is a superior OS for tv. Look at the Nvidia shield - simply brilliant. Even the live TV integration, cable card, recording, cross app Google assistant search, low latency, hdr10 Atmos dts-x....

Sony shoved a crappy version onto a raspberry pi $2 could. Any OS would suck
Nah, Android can still be clunky on the Shield too, just far less than on the TVs.

At least the TVs can run Dolby Vision. The Shield has undefeatable HDMI-CEC that can wreak havoc and it doesn't change the color space properly like the TV OS will.

I'll take overall media consumption quality over some faster UI response and missing out on a HDR format.

Loved the Shield when it was new in 2015 but it desperately needs an update. Android was never really designed to run at 4K on a TV, it just happens that the Shield has enough horsepower to make it "less crap" purely in the sense of UI responsiveness.
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Nah, Android can still be clunky on the Shield too, just far less than on the TVs.



At least the TVs can run Dolby Vision. The Shield has undefeatable HDMI-CEC that can wreak havoc and it doesn't change the color space properly like the TV OS will.



I'll take overall media consumption quality over some faster UI response and missing out on a HDR format.



Loved the Shield when it was new in 2015 but it desperately needs an update. Android was never really designed to run at 4K on a TV, it just happens that the Shield has enough horsepower to make it "less crap" purely in the sense of UI responsiveness.


Oreo 8 maps she colorspace quite well. That cpu despite being 3 years old is significantly better than anything else outside of the Apple TV. The apple has no live TV, no bitstreaming, Siri is plane broken (Siri can't even control the volume or search across apps).

With the z9d I honestly am fine with hdr10. The DV looks different but not better (see more shadow, but more washed out).

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Oreo 8 maps she colorspace quite well. That cpu despite being 3 years old is significantly better than anything else outside of the Apple TV. The apple has no live TV, no bitstreaming, Siri is plane broken (Siri can't even control the volume or search across apps).

With the z9d I honestly am fine with hdr10. The DV looks different but not better (see more shadow, but more washed out).
Yeah, it "maps" I don't want that, I want the actual signal.

The CPU is unquestionably better on paper compared to Sony TV SoCs but in practice, "less annoying" because it is more responsive but at the sacrifice of accuracy due to mapping.

Siri is not *plain* broken at all, in fact it works really well and it searches across numerous platforms/apps when searching for media.

I also don't understand the "volume" complaint. What does that even mean? You want to hold down a button to speak to it and ask it to turn down the volume vs. just pressing the volume button to turn down your system?

Your issue with "washed out DV" seems to be limited to you. I have seen few, if any other results, of people with Sony DV enabled sets reporting any cases of Dolby Vision being "washed out". This is from my experience of watching many DV encoded movies/shows across my 3 Sony displays.

At the end of the day, all I am saying is that all the Shield brings is a more responsive UI and a 1Gbps NIC for those that have 4K BD backups and need the throughput. This is at the loss of better image accuracy and no Dolby Vision. It is and will remain a highly redundant device for Sony TV owners unless they are in a massive hurry to start the movie 2 second faster.
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Interesting but pretty much just a recap on everything we already know. Hopefully we get some official prices soon for the rest of the world.
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Yeah, it "maps" I don't want that, I want the actual signal.




Siri is not *plain* broken at all, in fact it works really well and it searches across numerous platforms/apps when searching for media.



I also don't understand the "volume" complaint. What does that even mean? You want to hold down a button to speak to it and ask it to turn down the volume vs.

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Agree with the Apple TV update it switches colorspace. But with Oreo 8 can.you a/b the mapping and tell a difference? The tests are really close


Yes "Siri volume down" would be great. How aboit homekit integration? "Siri watch rescue bots" so it cab close the shades, find it on Plex or Netflix, dim the lights.

Right now she says "can't do that yet"

Or what about "watch bears game" - the LIVE TV is non existent

Have you done a Netflix a/b with hdr10 on stranger things, lost in space, carbon fiber? Really is that high grey level right?

Anyway I really like both platofmrs. I have 2 apple and one shield . But the original poster said won't buy a TV due to Android and it's not Android - it's Sony

Remarkably Sony does not map colors but switches colorspace something Nvidia had promised for 3 years

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Yes "Siri volume down" would be great. How aboit homekit integration? "Siri watch rescue bots" so it cab close the shades, find it on Plex or Netflix, dim the lights.

Right now she says "can't do that yet"

Or what about "watch bears game" - the LIVE TV is non existent

Have you done a Netflix a/b with hdr10 on stranger things, lost in space, carbon fiber? Really is that high grey level right?

Anyway I really like both platofmrs. I have 2 apple and one shield . But the original poster said won't buy a TV due to Android and it's not Android - it's Sony

Remarkably Sony does not map colors but switches colorspace something Nvidia had promised for 3 years
I guess I don't understand the logic behind asking Siri to control volume. At that point you are pressing a button anyway to activate it, so may as well use a volume rocker which is significantly faster and more accurate. As I mentioned in the post you quoted (but you edit it out), it searches numerous platforms. You can ask it to "watch the local news", "watch the 49ers game" etc. too and it works if you have the right services.

Watched all of Stranger Things, an episode of Lost in Space, half a season of Altered (not Carbon) Fiber and Dolby Vision and never seen a single frame that had anything I would describe as "high gray level". Maybe something wrong with your setup.

Anyway, this is not a Shield vs. Apple TV thread. I am just saying that for potential purchasers of these new Sony sets, the Shield is a highly redundant device paired with them and has little, if anything to offer when used in conjunction.
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Any guesses on when the A9F could release? 3 months from now? 6 months? A year? Wondering whether to get the A8F now or hold out for the A9.

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Any guesses on when the A9F could release? 3 months from now? 6 months? A year? Wondering whether to get the A8F now or hold out for the A9.
It should be right around the corner, like a month or so. At this point, I would wait to see how it is reviewed and make your decision from there.
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It should be right around the corner, like a month or so. At this point, I would wait to see how it is reviewed and make your decision from there.
Thanks! Hopefully the price will be around the same as the A8F.

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I believe its already up for pre order in china and the TV shootout has been arranged for sept 23rd so I would imagine they will be out within the next month.
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