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The new graphics cards have been announced by Nvidia and they still use HDMI2.0b, for all you crazies that want that, don't expect it at any time soon..
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Most will tell u the Sony including me! As far a Z9D VS Z9F we have to wait and see how the F measures up when it hits the streets and reviews start coming in.
is the OLED not suited for a bright room?
I couldn’t say I don’t own an oled I just know they don’t get as bright as led/lcd

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Sony Master Series A9F OLED and Z9F LED-LCD 4K HDR TVs Debut

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I couldn’t say I don’t own an oled I just know they don’t get as bright as led/lcd


But we all must remember a 700-800 nit Oled is brighter than plenty of LCD TVs we’ve been watching in our sun drenched rooms. Plus with 0.00 black luminance.
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The new graphics cards have been announced by Nvidia and they still use HDMI2.0b, for all you crazies that want that, don't expect it at any time soon..
For the 8K sets coming soon they should just stick a DisplayPort connection on it since it doesn't look like 2.1 is coming anytime soon.
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I think it is fine, but it may depend on what you consider a bright room.

That is why I have chosen Samsung in the past. I like the brightness & the color they provide, even though they are not professionally calibrated. I watch them in standard mode with a few adjustments to suit my taste & eye sight.


I love the crisp colors of the OLED that are on display, but for that kind of $, I can't take a chance on something that I wouldn't enjoy during daylight hours.

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That is why I have chosen Samsung in the past. I like the brightness & the color they provide, even though they are not professionally calibrated. I watch them in standard mode with a few adjustments to suit my taste & eye sight.


I love the crisp colors of the OLED that are on display, but for that kind of $, I can't take a chance on something that I wouldn't enjoy during daylight hours.


It’s your tv but even the Sony will be overly bright and inaccurate in standard mode.

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Sep. 19 launch, based on the places where date has been announced, the date will vary depending on where you are located.
Sometimes release dates are on target, I can tell you most of the time it is sometime after.......

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For the 8K sets coming soon they should just stick a DisplayPort connection on it since it doesn't look like 2.1 is coming anytime soon.
TV's should have this port, I agree........
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But we all must remember a 700-800 nit Oled is brighter than plenty of LCD TVs we’ve been watching in our sun drenched rooms. Plus with 0.00 black luminance.
It dims quickly though with high APL content.

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Sometimes release dates are on target, I can tell you most of the time it is sometime after.......

TV's should have this port, I agree........
well that date was for an asian country, based on how the z9d/a1e launched across regions, I think u.s. will be a little earlier. value electronics site has already put up a u.s. shipping date for the a9f and z9f , it says sep. 12. Have to wait and see if it is the official sony release date for u.s. or placeholder.

good thing is it's getting close.
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The new graphics cards have been announced by Nvidia and they still use HDMI2.0b, for all you crazies that want that, don't expect it at any time soon..
all Nvidia fanboyz on gaming forums who were certain since months that hdmi 2.1 was coming on the new cards now have egg on their face, I am reading the comments on a gaming forum. I don't think hdmi 2.1 is coming for any device - TV's, bd players, video cards etc. before 2020.
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But we all must remember a 700-800 nit Oled is brighter than plenty of LCD TVs we’ve been watching in our sun drenched rooms. Plus with 0.00 black luminance.
But if the person replaces the lcd and puts an oled in the same viewing environment- a sun drenched room- , the peak brightness won't be able to keep up on many occasions. neither would you get any kind of oled black advantage in a sun drenched room. a vizio quantum lcd is better for that kind of viewing environment. oled should be used at the minimum in a moderately lit room without much natural light flowing in and the best environment for oled and maximizing its black advantage is obviously a pitch black theatre room.
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But if the person replaces the lcd and puts an oled in the same viewing environment- a sun drenched room- , the peak brightness won't be able to keep up on many occasions. neither would you get any kind of oled black advantage in a sun drenched room. a vizio quantum lcd is better for that kind of viewing environment. oled should be used at the minimum in a moderately lit room without much natural light flowing in and the best environment for oled and maximizing its black advantage is obviously a pitch black theatre room.


But of course people love to argue but you totally missed the point I’m making the 800 nit Oled is quite brighter than the lcd it’s probably replacing unless it was purchased in the past 2 to 3 years. 700 nit is bright yes there’s abl but your critical viewing should be in light controlled room regardless if it’s lcd or Oled.
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. The ZF9 production model specs are on the official sony site so one can compare those with previous models.
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Clearly looking at wieght and power this is a z940f
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But of course people love to argue but you totally missed the point I’m making the 800 nit Oled is quite brighter than the lcd it’s probably replacing unless it was purchased in the past 2 to 3 years. 700 nit is bright yes there’s abl but your critical viewing should be in light controlled room regardless if it’s lcd or Oled.
You said 'oled is brighter than plenty of lcd's you have been watching in your sun drenched rooms'. so you were implying that this is the type of viewing environment (sun drenched) the guy does his viewing in. and yes some people do have living rooms that have a lot of sunlight, for these kind of environments oled is not the best choice, a 2000 nit lcd (a vizio quantum/ a q9 etc.) is a better choice if that's the kind of room he watches in. Not everyone has light controlled rooms or can have one.
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That is why I have chosen Samsung in the past. I like the brightness & the color they provide, even though they are not professionally calibrated. I watch them in standard mode with a few adjustments to suit my taste & eye sight.


I love the crisp colors of the OLED that are on display, but for that kind of $, I can't take a chance on something that I wouldn't enjoy during daylight hours.

I have no problem with daytime viewing, and the bad viewing angles and black handling of an LCD is not something I am willing to put up with, hence why I have never owned any LCD TV.

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I couldn’t say I don’t own an oled I just know they don’t get as bright as led/lcd


But we all must remember a 700-800 nit Oled is brighter than plenty of LCD TVs we’ve been watching in our sun drenched rooms. Plus with 0.00 black luminance.
True I was thinking of my own TV or a Z9D or other high end lcd’s

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But we all must remember a 700-800 nit Oled is brighter than plenty of LCD TVs we’ve been watching in our sun drenched rooms. Plus with 0.00 black luminance.
its not by any means plasma dull. however personally i find myself wishing there was more when ever i watch my c7.
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True I was thinking of my own TV or a Z9D or other high end lcd’s


Facing east the afternoon sun is torture with floor to ceiling windows. I went from crt to plasma and the past two sets are lcd. The z is a beast in battling the sun, I went to a neighbor that just purchased a c8 to see for myself the brightness and the c8 held its own in our bright apartments. Blinds or motorized shades are wonderful for when I’m watching something dark in the daytime but sports and dvr programs 700 to 800 its is sufficient.

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Clearly looking at wieght and power this is a z940f
You should sue sony for falsely marketing it as a z9f, since you happen to know so much. Your theories of knowing everything from the physical dimensions and power supply will work well for your case.
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You should sue sony for falsely marketing it as a z9f, since you happen to know so much. Your theories of knowing everything from the physical dimensions and power supply will work well for your case.
Lmao the tv hasn’t hit the streets and already it’s failure! Some forget it has the new processor that puts out at least twice the horsepower! Geez you know what they about assumptions! Hey I had a heavy car once and then when I got a new model it was lighter and more powerful! Lol
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Lmao the tv hasn’t hit the streets and already it’s failure! Some forget it has the new processor that puts out at least twice the horsepower! Geez you know what they about assumptions! Hey I had a heavy car once and then when I got a new model it was lighter and more powerful! Lol
He sounds like a z9d owner (he has it in his sig) who is writing off the z9f so he can feel good about what he owns and doesn't have the urge to upgrade. All this pessimism doesn't make sense, sony is releasing a flagship lcd after 2 years, probably again for a 2 year cycle, it won't be a worse tv. The new processor, wide view angle and a full gloss screen (as opposed to a semi gloss on the z9d) are already upgrades, we will know about black performance, CR and local dimming once the reviews come in, but I don't expect worse.
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I have a question regarding these 2 sets....

I have always purchased Samsung LED's because I like the brightness & pop they give.
My main viewing area is a large room that has outside light coming in @ the rear of the room.
Which one of these sets is better suited for that situation? The local Best Buys do not have the
Z9 on display now, but maybe they will when the new models arrive. They have prominent displays
for the Sony & LG OLED TV's.


I am trying to decide between these Sony's or the Samsung Q9 series.
Sony ZD9 was praised for its ability to show you images close to refference. The ZF9 and AF9 claim to even do better.

Samsung are very inaccurate especially the latest top model. It overbrightens HDR shots to make it seem its better then other TV's but what it does is not track the requested brightness levels by the content. Even after calibration it was way off. So you will never be able to get right like the content creator intended. Just like the colors a lot of people will like it. But i hate those overblown color's grass is not that green in reality.

Off course you can also select a dynamic mode on the Sony to get the same or enable live colors and set it on high. But i dont like those settings.

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Not sure where to post this but here goes. does anyone know if tv makers in particular LG and Sony will be updating their TV's to be compatible with the HDR10+ format? I read somewhere that UHD Blu Rays mastered in HDR10+ is coming soon and I really would like a TV that supports all HDR formats. why do we even need another HDR format? Seems to me it's just to confuse consumers.

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Here is another HDMI 2.1 reason to wait.

In fact, they are proposing a noteworthy change to how game console and TV interoperate. It is impossible to convey everything here but in essence HGIG wants a TV to communicate its capabilities (black level, peak brightness, range, more) to the game console via HDMI. CEO of HDMI Licensing, Rob Tobias, says HDMI 2.1 is "ready for these HDR improvements". The game console will have a database that stores display characteristics and tone-mapping information for TVs, and it will automatically tweak its video output to conform to the TV’s capabilities. Of course, there will also be fallback options if the game console fails to identify the TV.

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Not sure where to post this but here goes. does anyone know if tv makers in particular LG and Sony will be updating their TV's to be compatible with the HDR10+ format? I read somewhere that UHD Blu Rays mastered in HDR10+ is coming soon and I really would like a TV that supports all HDR formats. why do we even need another HDR format? Seems to me it's just to confuse consumers.
LG and Sony both have made statements indicating they have no current plans to support HDR10+. Both have basically said that their TVs already do what is effectively HDR10+ processing. I wouldn't count on HDR10+ being much of anything...think HD DVD
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Here is another HDMI 2.1 reason to wait.

In fact, they are proposing a noteworthy change to how game console and TV interoperate. It is impossible to convey everything here but in essence HGIG wants a TV to communicate its capabilities (black level, peak brightness, range, more) to the game console via HDMI. CEO of HDMI Licensing, Rob Tobias, says HDMI 2.1 is "ready for these HDR improvements". The game console will have a database that stores display characteristics and tone-mapping information for TVs, and it will automatically tweak its video output to conform to the TV’s capabilities. Of course, there will also be fallback options if the game console fails to identify the TV.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1534743725
And yet another HDMI 2.1 feature that will "likely" work with 2.0 hardware. 2.1 won't show up fully implemented until 2020...just my opinion.

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Great - so you wait for that and then when that comes out there will be another thing to wait for.

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Here is another HDMI 2.1 reason to wait.

In fact, they are proposing a noteworthy change to how game console and TV interoperate. It is impossible to convey everything here but in essence HGIG wants a TV to communicate its capabilities (black level, peak brightness, range, more) to the game console via HDMI. CEO of HDMI Licensing, Rob Tobias, says HDMI 2.1 is "ready for these HDR improvements". The game console will have a database that stores display characteristics and tone-mapping information for TVs, and it will automatically tweak its video output to conform to the TV’s capabilities. Of course, there will also be fallback options if the game console fails to identify the TV.

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LG and Sony both have made statements indicating they have no current plans to support HDR10+. Both have basically said that their TVs already do what is effectively HDR10+ processing. I wouldn't count on HDR10+ being much of anything...think HD DVD
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Great - so you wait for that and then when that comes out there will be another thing to wait for.
You are right,only the LORD knows what will happen,but CES 2019 is 5 months out and we will see the next step then.
Even if it takes a new gaming counsel(1-2 years out) to implement the new features,having a TV with HDMI 2.1, you will be halfway done.
By the way, some times. another thing better doesn't appear, like my 65C6- 3D,there is no other thing better to wait for!

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