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Yeah HDMI 2.1 may not come next year and the new consoles are probably 1-2 years away yet. If your in the market for a new TV now your not going to wait. I'm currently rocking a 22 inch Toshiba lol as my 75 Q9FN went back 2 weeks ago so I'm hoping the Z9F is worth it.
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Lmao the tv hasn’t hit the streets and already it’s failure! Some forget it has the new processor that puts out at least twice the horsepower! Geez you know what they about assumptions! Hey I had a heavy car once and then when I got a new model it was lighter and more powerful! Lol
He sounds like a z9d owner (he has it in his sig) who is writing off the z9f so he can feel good about what he owns and doesn't have the urge to upgrade. All this pessimism doesn't make sense, sony is releasing a flagship lcd after 2 years, probably again for a 2 year cycle, it won't be a worse tv. The new processor, wide view angle and a full gloss screen (as opposed to a semi gloss on the z9d) are already upgrades, we will know about black performance, CR and local dimming once the reviews come in, but I don't expect worse.
I agree there is much more of a chance aside from the upgrades we know about that this could be a superior tv in every aspect except the exclusion of 3D which does not matter to me anyway. Sure it could also be a case of D models 930 and 940 not being as good as the C models. But I’m gonna bet it’s the former and not the latter! However it will not buy blind I wanna see every test and review when it comes out plus visit a store and see on display and not on vivid mode before I buy one!

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Clearly looking at wieght and power this is a z940f
I'm still holding out some weak hope that it'll have slightly more zones than that, but from all the evidence, I suspect you're right: substantially fewer zones than in 2016. Could they have found some wild kind of new efficiency in their LEDs and a new manufacturing process making them so much cheaper that they could make the Z9F light, efficient, and cheap without sacrificing on the zone count? Yeah, sure that's possible in principle just like controlled nuclear fusion power is possible in principle. Are the odds strong that this is what happened? No.

*sigh*......well, we'll find out all the variously beautiful and ugly details in a few weeks.

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Sony ZD9 was praised for its ability to show you images close to refference. The ZF9 and AF9 claim to even do better.

Samsung are very inaccurate especially the latest top model. It overbrightens HDR shots to make it seem its better then other TV's but what it does is not track the requested brightness levels by the content. Even after calibration it was way off. So you will never be able to get right like the content creator intended. Just like the colors a lot of people will like it. But i hate those overblown color's grass is not that green in reality.

Off course you can also select a dynamic mode on the Sony to get the same or enable live colors and set it on high. But i dont like those settings.
Yep the Z9D is still the best set made to date, as you noted we will have to wait and see what the Z9F can do........
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Yep the Z9D is still the best set made to date, as you noted we will have to wait and see what the Z9F can do........
Best LCD perhaps...*checks again to see what subforum he's in*
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I made a post last week stating that many of the posts on this thread are, for the most part, pure SPECULATION! I stand by that statement and thus I am content to wait for in-depth analysis AFTER full calibrations and testings are done on the Z9F. Until then, I guess a thread like this depends on "speculation" to keep it alive, but I'm amazed at the conclusions some are drawing based on "preliminary reports."

Again, I have the 940D, which I would be willing to replace with the Z9F. The 940D is still a very good LCD/LED, but it does have its inherent weakness of blooming/halos. It is especially vulnerable when watching UHD content with HDR, for nearly all bright objects next to letter-boxed bars will result in serious light-bleeding. I understand the Z9D still experiences this on occasion, though from what I've read it is truly the "exception and not the rule." I am hoping this will be true of the Z9F as well.
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How much better could the A9F really be?

I know that there have been some first impressions posted, but I am considering the A8F now and contemplating waiting for the A9F. I understand that the A9F will be more expensive than the A8F, maybe a lot. But how much better could it really be? Based on the first impressions to date, it looks like:
  • Better sound.
  • Better image processing.
The sound, I get it -- a third element plus a second subwoofer produces considerably better sound.

The picture, however, I don't get it. The biggest gripes that I have read about the A1E/A8F is that it sacrifices brightness for better tonal mapping and that it has aggressive ABL settings for some peoples' tastes (which makes the brightness sacrifices more noticeable). But since the A9F still uses the same LG panel, can the better processing really be that much of an improvement? Trying to justify waiting here, so rampant (but informed) speculation is quite welcome here.

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@djoberg , I am in exactly the same position as you are, waiting for real professional reviews of the Z9F when it is finally released. I see little value in the ongoing speculation. My 940D continues to perform very well, so I can be patient.
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Best LCD perhaps...*checks again to see what subforum he's in*
No, his post is correct as is.
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Sorry, this isn't the LCD hegemony subforum, and there are others who might disagree. Multiple shootout results are evidence enough. The only time transmissive shattered the competition was in plasma's weakest year (2012).

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It never ceases to amaze me how illogical and irrational some people can get when it comes to their TV displays.
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You are right,only the LORD knows what will happen,but CES 2019 is 5 months out and we will see the next step then.
Even if it takes a new gaming counsel(1-2 years out) to implement the new features,having a TV with HDMI 2.1, you will be halfway done.
By the way, some times. another thing better doesn't appear, like my 65C6- 3D,there is no other thing better to wait for!
Hi Ye All, WOW so many things floating around, speculations, expectations from 2 models that have not yet been released. Can we not all agree that these
sets will have some what of an upgrade from last year. Will these sets be better than the 940e, A8F, or even the Z9D. We have to wait for a shoot out
and proper specs of what they do or can produce. Until that happens, I will wait to see which model I will purchase to replace my 930C for the master
bedroom, 65"..I have no plans on replacing my 75Z9D until 2.1 comes out. I waited years for a TV that was worthy of my audio system, 75Z9D.
IT'S only a TV gentlemen. I would ratter play with my grandchildren, but when I do watch that TV, why not watch the BEST. It's only another 4-6 week waiting period.
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So, I'm new to the "premium TV" game. Is it normal for a TV to be officially announced, and then 21 days later, we still don't know pricing?
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Hi Ye All, WOW so many things floating around, speculations, expectations from 2 models that have not yet been released. Can we not all agree that these
sets will have some what of an upgrade from last year. Will these sets be better than the 940e, A8F, or even the Z9D. We have to wait for a shoot out
and proper specs of what they do or can produce. Until that happens, I will wait to see which model I will purchase to replace my 930C for the master
bedroom, 65"..I have no plans on replacing my 75Z9D until 2.1 comes out. I waited years for a TV that was worthy of my audio system, 75Z9D.
IT'S only a TV gentlemen. I would ratter play with my grandchildren, but when I do watch that TV, why not watch the BEST. It's only another 4-6 week waiting period.
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For my gaming needs, the Q9FN is my go-to TV easily. However, if Sony is 100% ending the panel lottery with the Z9F. I will ditch my Q9FN in the blink of an eye.
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So, I'm new to the "premium TV" game. Is it normal for a TV to be officially announced, and then 21 days later, we still don't know pricing?
Yeah this is taking a while. The A8F pricing didn't take this long to get revealed.
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I’m considering this because of the AutoCal feature. But all I have is the Spyder 5. It can’t be used for AutoCal with Calman, right? Will this change with the next edition of Calman?

What’s the cheapest compatible meter with Calman? Just trying to see how much AutoCal will cost apart from the cost of buying Calman.

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Yeah HDMI 2.1 may not come next year and the new consoles are probably 1-2 years away yet. If your in the market for a new TV now your not going to wait. I'm currently rocking a 22 inch Toshiba lol as my 75 Q9FN went back 2 weeks ago so I'm hoping the Z9F is worth it.

What was "wrong" with your Q9FN...?

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It's a Samsung,

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I’m considering this because of the AutoCal feature. But all I have is the Spyder 5. It can’t be used for AutoCal with Calman, right? Will this change with the next edition of Calman?

What’s the cheapest compatible meter with Calman? Just trying to see how much AutoCal will cost apart from the cost of buying Calman.
I am also interested in the AutoCal capability. I asked SpectraCal, and the required colorimeter (the C6) will cost $795, which will allow a HDR calibration. A pattern generator is also required. There is some confusion here. SpectraCal says the VideoForge Pro is required, which costs $1,495. Another source says that there will be an Android app that runs on the display which will generate the required patterns (a free app).

If there is a $2,300 investment required to use the automated calibration capability, that is a pretty steep entry price. I would think a professional calibrator might make this purchase and then advertise his services to anyone who purchases one of the new Sony displays. Personally, I have no interest in providing calibration services.
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people who have seen the TV have noted better color accuracy and better near black detail
Sony has made a big deal about factory treatment to reduce vertical banding out of the box
they also showed off an SDR to HDR up conversion mode
I also expect the new processor to handle custom PC resolutions like 1440 P 120 Hz better
I assume they'll continue improving their tone mapping to avoid anything being crushed or washed out
the TV will have built-in VP 9 and Dolby vision support, and an improved android processor for a better ui experience

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people who have seen the TV have noted better color accuracy and better near black detail
Sony has made a big deal about factory treatment to reduce vertical banding out of the box
they also showed off an SDR to HDR up conversion mode
I also expect the new processor to handle custom PC resolutions like 1440 P 120 Hz better
I assume they'll continue improving their tone mapping to avoid anything being crushed or washed out
the TV will have built-in VP 9 and Dolby vision support, and an improved android processor for a better ui experience
But the Sony demo was sort of a trick. In one demo, the A9F was next to an A9F with the X1 Ultimate chip disabled. So this is what people were comparing against. The A9F was not compared to an A8F with the X1 Extreme chip. Lets wait for the real reviews before we make any conclusions. I suspect the X1 Ultimate will be a subtle upgrade from the X1 Extreme.

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I think just being able to get access to the CMS controls on the A9F and eliminating or severely minimizing banding and tinting will be a big deal assuming the controls work properly. I also expect the upscaling to be even better than it is now as well.

We will know soon.
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What was "wrong" with your Q9FN...?
Nothing bad really. I bought it on the 100 day try and return for a full refund option and with IFA so close I decided to return it and wait a month just to see if there was more options. When your spending such a large amount on a TV you want the best possible TV you can get for your room and I felt it was just so close to IFA that it was worth sending it back and waiting a month for more options such as the Sony and new Samsung sets being shown at IFA.

There were a few things that annoyed me. The handshaking issues with the denon receiver and blooming in peak brightness HDR content. It was only there on bright highlights on a dark background but it was enough to annoy me. That would be the biggest reason for me personally why I wouldn't buy the Sony Z9F..if the black level control isn't great or there's noticible blooming it would most likely not be for me and ill end up going for something like the 77C8 or seeing what the new Samsung sets at IFA are like.
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In the UK the new Sony sets are being demonstrated at some Sony Centres this week end.I am interested in the 75"Z9F and this will retail at £5095
Having spoken to a Sony centre I have been told a few pieces of info.
1.The Z9F will have less zones than the ZD9
2.The brightness level will be lower than the ZD9 and considerably lower than the Samsung Q9
3.There will be no crush of blacks.
4. The picture quality will be superior to the ZD9
5.The sound will also be better.
Nothing revolutionary here but the first two points are interesting
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In the UK the new Sony sets are being demonstrated at some Sony Centres this week end.I am interested in the 75"Z9F and this will retail at £5095
Having spoken to a Sony centre I have been told a few pieces of info.
1.The Z9F will have less zones than the ZD9
2.The brightness level will be lower than the ZD9 and considerably lower than the Samsung Q9
3.There will be no crush of blacks.
4. The picture quality will be superior to the ZD9
5.The sound will also be better.
Nothing revolutionary here but the first two points are interesting


Once again speculation without actual measurements.

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In the UK the new Sony sets are being demonstrated at some Sony Centres this week end.I am interested in the 75"Z9F and this will retail at £5095
Having spoken to a Sony centre I have been told a few pieces of info.
1.The Z9F will have less zones than the ZD9
2.The brightness level will be lower than the ZD9 and considerably lower than the Samsung Q9
3.There will be no crush of blacks.
4. The picture quality will be superior to the ZD9
5.The sound will also be better.
Nothing revolutionary here but the first two points are interesting


Once again speculation without actual measurements.
Yes we all have to wait and see and I want facts too not hearsay but let’s just say it’s true about the zones and nit count and it ends up having superior PQ to the Z9D then its probably the X1 Ultimate doing all the heavy lifting some how? Could a processor that’s twice the horse power make the difference PQ wise?

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You are right,only the LORD knows what will happen,but CES 2019 is 5 months out and we will see the next step then.
Even if it takes a new gaming counsel(1-2 years out) to implement the new features,having a TV with HDMI 2.1, you will be halfway done.
By the way, some times. another thing better doesn't appear, like my 65C6- 3D,there is no other thing better to wait for!
pretty sure hdmi 2.1 was brought up about 60 times in this thread before the tv info was released and it was linked multiple times and said by man people that it will not be implemented untill 2020. so i wouldnt be too concerned about that.

will sony release something new in 2019 ? sure but if ur always thinking about whats coming next ull never buy a tv
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