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Is there any reason to believe HDMI 2.1 tvs will launch in 2019?

I have been waiting... and waiting to upgrade since I lock into a tv for 7 years so its a big deal to me. I have been waiting for any products with HDMI 2.1 chip to release in 2018 but nothing. What do you guys think 2019 or 2020.
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no reason to believe.
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eARC and maybe VRR perhaps marketed as HDMI 2.1 eARC and HDMI 2.1 VRR in 2019, but not full HDMI 2.1 until 2020 is my guess. In a couple weeks the Berlin show might have some news from Samsung with their 8K hype. You probably already saw the latest Nvidia cycle isn't HDMI 2.1.

And slightly OT...

As long as you are waiting, you can also wait for AV1 hardware decoding, and if you really want to wait, ATSC 3.0 tuners ;-). Those tuners already exist, but I imagine they are expensive and won't go into TVs until a lot of stations broadcast the signal and a lot of stations won't upgrade until the hardware is more common.
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I believe HDMI 2.1 might be available this year on Samsung’s 8K Q9S (or whatever they call it). We should know in a few weeks at the IFA show. Due to the extremely limited supply of 2.1 chips, any supply of HDMI chips will only be used on 8K TVs for the next year or so. There will just not be enough supply for any manufacturer to use 2.1 on a 4K tv. In my opinion any 8K tv will be in very limited supply everywhere except in Korea and Japan where networks there are preparing to broadcast or stream somehow the 2020 Tokyo Olympics in 8K.

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As long as you are waiting, you can also wait for AV1 hardware decoding, and if you really want to wait, ATSC 3.0 tuners ;-). Those tuners already exist, but I imagine they are expensive and won't go into TVs until a lot of stations broadcast the signal and a lot of stations won't upgrade until the hardware is more common.
LG has ATSC 1.0/3.0 tuners in TVs now. What I've read says it's a single chip implementation, not much more expensive than the "normal" tuner. But LG is only selling them in Korea currently. Word has it they worked great during the Winter Olympics.

There's no real reason to sell them in the US as there are no US stations broadcasting anything other than tests with ATSC 3.0 right now.
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We don't really know when 2.1 is coming. it could be next year. It could be 2020. As others have mentioned though Samsung are showing there new 8K range of TV's at IFA in Berlin next week. I don't know if those will have 2.1 but only time will tell. I'm going to guess they wont or maybe they can do some kind of 2.1 upgrade with the one connect box.
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I have been waiting... and waiting to upgrade since I lock into a tv for 7 years so its a big deal to me. I have been waiting for any products with HDMI 2.1 chip to release in 2018 but nothing. What do you guys think 2019 or 2020.
we have industry people here flat out state we are years away from it

so no

absolutely no chance in hell 2.1 is out in 2019

the saddest part is Samsung is pushing 8k NOW .. 2018 .. and 8k absolutely needs 2.1

so yeah.. no chance at all.. maybe in 2020

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I wouldn't say 8K needs 2.1. eARC and VRR you can get without. 8K disc players are most likely years away if they ever do even bring out 8K discs. By the time they do most people will probably be ready to upgrade again anyway lol. 2.1 would be nice.. but I don't really see any reason why we need it right now.
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HDMI 2.1 is coming in 2019!
Here is another HDMI 2.1 reason to wait.

In fact, they are proposing a noteworthy change to how game console and TV interoperate. It is impossible to convey everything here but in essence HGIG wants a TV to communicate its capabilities (black level, peak brightness, range, more) to the game console via HDMI. CEO of HDMI Licensing, Rob Tobias, says HDMI 2.1 is "ready for these HDR improvements". The game console will have a database that stores display characteristics and tone-mapping information for TVs, and it will automatically tweak its video output to conform to the TV’s capabilities. Of course, there will also be fallback options if the game console fails to identify the TV.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1534743725
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All I want is VRR, eARC, and Dolby Vision support in a single TV. All of these are possible on HDMI 2.0, but no one implemented all three this year.
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I wouldn't say 8K needs 2.1.
8K needs 2.1
It's not supported in 2.0. Theoretically it could be done, at a very low framerate at which 8K will be utterly useless, but it's not supported even in this limited form.
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Are you sure about that because the upcoming Samsung 8K models I would be fairly certain wont be HDMI 2.1. Of course things like 8K players, receivers for passthrough ect will need to be HDMI 2.1 but it might be years before we need those.
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But why would anyone buy an 8K TV that can only do 8K with files on USB or apps?


I guess one could then simplify the question to:


Why would anyone buy an 8K TV?

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8K TVs might have AI upscaling, so you can have a YUGE TV fed 4K content over HDMI 2.0 that looks nice at 8K.

AI hype plus 8K hype! Marginal gains at tremendous cost! Such is life at the cutting edge.
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So is there any consensus that 2020 is the most reasonable target date for mainstream high end TVs getting HDMI 2.1? Prototype 8K TVs don't count.

Then on top of that, it may take a little longer to work out most of the niggling bugs.
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Looks like the A/V systems will have HDMI 2.1.(2019)

Then there is the Marantz AV7705 ($2199) that offers 11.2-channel processing and balanced XLR preamp outputs as well as RCA connections. As with the Denon AVRs, the feature list is long and encompasses many items including support for IMAX Enhanced content and HDMI 2.1 capabilities.

IMAX Enhanced-Ready Denon AVR-X6500H, AVR-X4500H & Marantz AV7705 – CEDIA 2018. From AVS
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Looks like the A/V systems will have HDMI 2.1.(2019)

Then there is the Marantz AV7705 ($2199) that offers 11.2-channel processing and balanced XLR preamp outputs as well as RCA connections. As with the Denon AVRs, the feature list is long and encompasses many items including support for IMAX Enhanced content and HDMI 2.1 capabilities.

IMAX Enhanced-Ready Denon AVR-X6500H, AVR-X4500H & Marantz AV7705 – CEDIA 2018. From AVS
Yes, some of the high end AV systems. However, what I'm more wondering about is if that will apply to all the OLEDs (and competing mid-range - starting at something like a Sony X900G - to high end LCDs) across the line.
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Looks like the A/V systems will have HDMI 2.1.(2019)

Then there is the Marantz AV7705 ($2199) that offers 11.2-channel processing and balanced XLR preamp outputs as well as RCA connections. As with the Denon AVRs, the feature list is long and encompasses many items including support for IMAX Enhanced content and HDMI 2.1 capabilities.

IMAX Enhanced-Ready Denon AVR-X6500H, AVR-X4500H & Marantz AV7705 – CEDIA 2018. From AVS

Actually from what I read Marantz says they expect HDMI 2.1 hardware to be ready in 2020, and they will swap the HDMI parts of your box for free to HDMI 2.1 compatible boards when they are done.


So it is a "buy it now, and we will get you HDMI 2.1 when we can". I guess the HDMI parts of the electronics are isolated enough that the main parts of the system can stay the same. Their high end stuff does seem to be quite modular in design.

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Related to the Samsung Q900R, Samsung will apparently update its One Connect box to a new, HDMI 2.1 one, next year

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...l#post56769672


So that would suggest some HDMI 2.1 TVs will be available.
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I think many electronics will support HDMI 2.1 in 2019. Though, I doubt they'll support full 48gbps. Which, to me, is the whole point of moving to 2.1.
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Actually from what I read Marantz says they expect HDMI 2.1 hardware to be ready in 2020, and they will swap the HDMI parts of your box for free to HDMI 2.1 compatible boards when they are done.


So it is a "buy it now, and we will get you HDMI 2.1 when we can". I guess the HDMI parts of the electronics are isolated enough that the main parts of the system can stay the same. Their high end stuff does seem to be quite modular in design.
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Am I missing something with that hamburger youtube video you keep posting in threads

Honestly even if AVR's are going to have HDMI 2.1 next year...how long will be it until there outdated. If I was going to update my AVR specifically for HDMI 2.1 I would probably wait until there's a TV out there that you need it for.
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Am I missing something with that hamburger youtube video you keep posting in threads

Honestly even if AVR's are going to have HDMI 2.1 next year...how long will be it until there outdated. If I was going to update my AVR specifically for HDMI 2.1 I would probably wait until there's a TV out there that you need it for.
The last time around I bought my receiver first, and then got the TVs. In truth it made sense because my previous receivers were REALLY old so I needed an update both, but I thought I was future proofing by getting HDMI 2.0a receivers, only to find out years later they couldn't properly support Dolby Vision.

I lucked out though since my Marantz and Denon receivers were amongst the few receivers in the industry from 2015 that actually got Dolby Vision updates this month and last month respectively 3 years later. There was a good chance they wouldn't have gotten updated, as that wasn't part of the original plan, but they got enough customer interest that they eventually added those to the update list. I didn't end up getting my two 4K TVs until this summer, in 2018.

I'll likely eventually upgrade to an HDMI 2.1+ TV in a few years, but I'll probably keep my existing receivers until then. They support the TrueHD and Atmos I need, and there's no real advantage to upgrading them now. I'll wait as long as possible to make sure they have the most mature version of 2.1 available to maximize feature support and component compatibility, and so that they'll get firmware updates as long as possible too.
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I have been waiting... and waiting to upgrade since I lock into a tv for 7 years so its a big deal to me. I have been waiting for any products with HDMI 2.1 chip to release in 2018 but nothing. What do you guys think 2019 or 2020.
I'd say relax. I don't even have a 4K display yet and still sporting a measely 5.1 surround. There is little to no content in 4K that personally interests me so I have no compelling reason to spend big money on an upgrade that will provide little enjoyment. The only thing that even registers on my radar of irks is the plasma panel buzzing that I've lived with for so long and the fact that I'd like a bigger display (75"+, projector impractical in this room). I was never an early adopter of cutting edge technologies anyway. Even if you had HDMI 2.1 everything today, what content would you watch? How would your life be dramatically improved? Very little excites me nowaways. Maybe its just my jaded outlook on life at this point.

I'd seriously find something to occupy my mind and not let the finer things in life slip by. Even when HDMI 2.1 becomes available I'm sure we'll all hear about the next great must have technology just around the corner. It will never end. Technology will always advance and new products will be available to buy every year.

I have a pair of monoblocks I got weeks ago, and an Oppo 205 I just got, that I still haven't unboxed yet. I know I'll eventually get to them, as soon as I take care of a few other more pressing things, but I sleep just fine knowing that tomorrow is another day. I don't know. Maybe I'm on a different wavelength.
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Related to the Samsung Q900R, Samsung will apparently update its One Connect box to a new, HDMI 2.1 one, next year

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...l#post56769672


So that would suggest some HDMI 2.1 TVs will be available.

Not necessarily, apparently and will are two different things, besides even if they do, which is highly doubful with their past record with 1connect boxes where they promised to be upgradable and never came through, it will only be for Q900 8k tv owners that fork out $15+k. I would not put my money on it at all.

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The last time around I bought my receiver first, and then got the TVs. In truth it made sense because my previous receivers were REALLY old so I needed an update both, but I thought I was future proofing by getting HDMI 2.0a receivers, only to find out years later they couldn't properly support Dolby Vision.

I lucked out though since my Marantz and Denon receivers were amongst the few receivers in the industry from 2015 that actually got Dolby Vision updates this month and last month respectively 3 years later. There was a good chance they wouldn't have gotten updated, as that wasn't part of the original plan, but they got enough customer interest that they eventually added those to the update list. I didn't end up getting my two 4K TVs until this summer, in 2018.

I'll likely eventually upgrade to an HDMI 2.1+ TV in a few years, but I'll probably keep my existing receivers until then. They support the TrueHD and Atmos I need, and there's no real advantage to upgrading them now. I'll wait as long as possible to make sure they have the most mature version of 2.1 available to maximize feature support and component compatibility, and so that they'll get firmware updates as long as possible too.
Which Marantz AVR fo you have?

I have an NR1606 and I know when I tried it with a Chromecast Ultra, it did not pass through Dolby Vision. Might 'this month's Dolby Vision update' help me out?
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Which Marantz AVR fo you have?

I have an NR1606 and I know when I tried it with a Chromecast Ultra, it did not pass through Dolby Vision. Might 'this month's Dolby Vision update' help me out?
I have the SR5010.

The Dolby Vision update for your NR1606 came out a week ago. Well, at least in Canada and the US. I don't know about other regions. Make sure your NR1606 is networked. I believe it takes a while before the updates show up on their website, but you can download it through your NR1606 right now.

Dolby Vision from my Panasonic UB820 through the SR5010 works well. Beautiful picture... most of the time. I've noticed some stray raised blacks in some content (and there is a whole thread on this), but so far for the discs I own, it's only been in non-movie content. (I've seen raised blacks on menus and credits.)

So it seems there are still some growing pains in terms of Dolby Vision authoring, but when it is done right, it's beautiful.
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Looks like Samsung will have a least one HDMI 2.1 on their 8K TV,as soon as they can get it certified.

First of all, Samsung said that Q900R is not certified for HDMI 2.1 at this time, mainly because the compliance test was finalized just last month. The company explained that it is seeking certification based on the HDMI1 port. The other HDMI ports will be limited to 4K video input. Still, there is a significant drawback because Samsung’s hardware is limited to 8K30 (8K at 30 frames per second).

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Am I missing something with that hamburger youtube video you keep posting in threads

Honestly even if AVR's are going to have HDMI 2.1 next year...how long will be it until there outdated. If I was going to update my AVR specifically for HDMI 2.1 I would probably wait until there's a TV out there that you need it for.

2020 is NOT next year.
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Looks like Samsung will have a least one HDMI 2.1 on their 8K TV,as soon as they can get it certified.

First of all, Samsung said that Q900R is not certified for HDMI 2.1 at this time, mainly because the compliance test was finalized just last month. The company explained that it is seeking certification based on the HDMI1 port. The other HDMI ports will be limited to 4K video input. Still, there is a significant drawback because Samsung’s hardware is limited to 8K30 (8K at 30 frames per second).

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1536570979

Well being limited to [email protected] sounds like it isn't really supporting HDMI 2.1 fully. So they can't support anything with motion properly, can't do youtube at 8k, what can they do at 8k? Sounds like their video processor isn't good enough for 8k yet.

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