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Its really hard to tell from pictures because the camera is going to accentuate the dark areas of the screen with a low light shot. I don't see any tinting on the brighter patches.

If I were you, I would do One, clear screen and then take another look and let us know if the picture looks like what you are seeing in real like with your eyes.

The good thing is no jail bars and no tinting from what I can see. Also i'm finding it hard to understand why you would see any of this in content which is why you should try the clear screen to see if that makes any difference.

Other than that, i'm going to reserve my opinion until I get my set in a couple of days and can take a good look at it. I have a 1 year old A1E and I just watched Hereditary and absolutely did not see any banding at all anywhere in that dark movie. In my case the panel was relatively clean and over time the slight banding that it has faded but I have some slight tinting that will never go away.
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Its really hard to tell from pictures because the camera is going to accentuate the dark areas of the screen with a low light shot. I don't see any tinting on the brighter patches.

If I were you, I would do One, clear screen and then take another look and let us know if the picture looks like what you are seeing in real like with your eyes.

The good thing is no jail bars and no tinting from what I can see. Also i'm finding it hard to understand why you would see any of this in content which is why you should try the clear screen to see if that makes any difference.

Other than that, i'm going to reserve my opinion until I get my set in a couple of days and can take a good look at it. I have a 1 year old A1E and I just watched Hereditary and absolutely did not see any banding at all anywhere in that dark movie. In my case the panel was relatively clean and over time the slight banding that it has faded but I have some slight tinting that will never go away.
Assume you are referring to panel refresh. It recommends you use panel refresh once a year to avoid straining your TV set.
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Yup, it’s still there. For the record I was not one of those who assumed anything regarding Sony and banding.
No my friend I'm not blaming you for assuming anything, but many of the other expert folk here. I know it's a bad feeling when you spend 4500 usd on a panel and have to put up with this.
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Yes correct. One refresh will not hurt the panel but it will get rid of any screen retention from the factory which is what you may be seeing.
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does performing a panel refresh out of the box improve banding? Or is it best to wait for the TV to prompt a refresh? personally I only ever performed a refresh when the TV prompted it.

I have a feeling my a1e is going to have less banding than a new a9f that has no refreshes on it.

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We all assumed they were calibrating it because of a photo that showed what looked like a typical OLED versus one that appeared to be significantly improved.

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here are my 5%, 10% and 20% pics. this is after 10 hours of use. i was watching hereditary and did notice a lot of banding on many shots. if this does not get better within the next 45 days I'm afraid I may return this unit. i just can't justify spending what I spent on this tv and have to live with and accept this banding. what do you guys think, is this a keeper?
Personally, from your previous description of the delivery and installation "process", I'd be a bit worried about any damage the BB installers managed to do and if it aggravated the panel unevenness.
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Leaving banding aside, @akadennis , can you take the time to answer these few questions?

Q1. The new pixel contrast booster feature, is it a user selectable option like ACE or do you not see it in settings (it is built into the processing)? Do you see any improvement in bright highlight detail due to this feature, it is supposed to boost the color of highlight details, does it make a difference in bright scenes?

Q2. Dolby vision now has 3 preset options, which do you think gives the most punch? DV has found to be relatively lacking punch on previous sony oleds.

Q3. How is the motion with the new X1U? Do you notice any stuttering issues or SOE when motion processing is engaged?

Q4. And (this i have been willing to find out), does the new android oreo support youtube hdr in the tv app? can you try playing a hdr video in the tv's youtube app and see if hdr is triggered?
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Yes correct. One refresh will not hurt the panel but it will get rid of any screen retention from the factory which is what you may be seeing.
does this one do a refresh every 4 hours like the LG and if so how can I tell? I tried listening for a clicking sound and heard nothing. had it on for about 13 hours today, turned off 3 times and listened for clicking the last time turned off but nothing.
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Leaving banding aside, @akadennis , can you take the time to answer these few questions?

Q1. The new pixel contrast booster feature, is it a user selectable option like ACE or do you not see it in settings (it is built into the processing)? Do you see any improvement in bright highlight detail due to this feature, it is supposed to boost the color of highlight details, does it make a difference in bright scenes?

Q2. Dolby vision now has 3 preset options, which do you think gives the most punch? DV has found to be relatively lacking punch on previous sony oleds.

Q3. How is the motion with the new X1U? Do you notice any stuttering issues or SOE when motion processing is engaged?

Q4. And (this i have been willing to find out), does the new android oreo support youtube hdr in the tv app? can you try playing a hdr video in the tv's youtube app and see if hdr is triggered?
i'm probably the wrong person to ask these questions. i kept the settings at their preset defaults and did not go through each one. As far as the dolby vision i used day and night settings and both looked good, i guess day had a little more punch. i did not use vivid. have not tried youtube HDR, will try tomorrow.
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I finally received mine. They just put the box in my family room. I had to make a run to Home Depot, as the screw for mounting this to the arm are different from my Samsung. Also, my Harmony Ultimate remote doesn’t know this TV. The A8f doesn’t work as a solution either; I will try the AE1 tomorrow. I have to say that the single bolt holding the speaker to the panel at the bottom gave me pause; I checked it a few times before Inmounted.

As for picture, it looks great so far! More testing tomorrow, as I ran out of time today.

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here are my 5%, 10% and 20% pics. this is after 10 hours of use. i was watching hereditary and did notice a lot of banding on many shots. if this does not get better within the next 45 days I'm afraid I may return this unit. i just can't justify spending what I spent on this tv and have to live with and accept this banding. what do you guys think, is this a keeper?
Does it look pink in the lower left corner if you watch a B&W movie or hockey? Where on the screen did installer have his hand pressing?
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Guys shots of a brand new tv with 5-10 hours with patterns are irrelevant really.
Every Oled needs at least 50 hours or more to stabilize and this without a hard panel refresh.
Im mostly interest in the rest of the tv features that advertised.
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LMAO..And so...it begins (again). All you fine folks and armchair experts, who mistook a sony slide and their words 'factory calibrated for uniformity' to foolishly assume sony was ending the near black uniformity/banding panel lottery, it was nice meeting you.
This is an owner's thread, not troll's thread.
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Im mostly interest in the rest of the tv features that advertised.
Which ones? I would be happy to check tomorrow. I doubt that I can contribute to the banding/picture discussions, but i definitely will be able to comment on features.

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This is an owner's thread, not troll's thread.
how is this trolling? since the new york event over a month ago, so many people were on about how sony factory calibrates these sets for uniformity, how does calling those people out who had unrealistic expectations equate to trolling? i was/am interested in the a9f for some of its features but i never expected all sony a9f's to be banding or streaking free.
And this thread is for anyone interested in the tv, just so you know so far there are only one or two people in the thread who actually own the set.
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Which ones? I would be happy to check tomorrow. I doubt that I can contribute to the banding/picture discussions, but i definitely will be able to comment on features.
See the questions i posted to akadennis a few posts above. report back tomorrow if you can.
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does performing a panel refresh out of the box improve banding? Or is it best to wait for the TV to prompt a refresh? personally I only ever performed a refresh when the TV prompted it.

I have a feeling my a1e is going to have less banding than a new a9f that has no refreshes on it.

My 55 C7 had a lot of marks on the screen OOTB - a manual panel refresh sorted it no problem
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Just keep the tv and stop watching 5% slides

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Here is a pic I just took. Amazon Prime Jack Ryan playing. don't mind all the ethernet cables, at some point I will run them on ceiling.
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I finally received mine. They just put the box in my family room. I had to make a run to Home Depot, as the screw for mounting this to the arm are different from my Samsung. Also, my Harmony Ultimate remote doesn’t know this TV. The A8f doesn’t work as a solution either; I will try the AE1 tomorrow. I have to say that the single bolt holding the speaker to the panel at the bottom gave me pause; I checked it a few times before Inmounted.

As for picture, it looks great so far! More testing tomorrow, as I ran out of time today.
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Does it look pink in the lower left corner if you watch a B&W movie or hockey? Where on the screen did installer have his hand pressing?
hand pressing on back of screen. they basically put the tv back side up on my chaise to install the kickstand and one idiot was like hunch over resting his hand on my TV. It wasn't long cause as soon as i noticed i told him to not rest his hands on my TV. between that and them not knowing how to put the stand had me pretty annoyed.
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Its really hard to tell from pictures because the camera is going to accentuate the dark areas of the screen with a low light shot. I don't see any tinting on the brighter patches.

I see pink tinting on the lower left and right sides. After boosting saturation and contrast in the iOS Photos app:



Obviously that is very exaggerated (I had to screengrab it to apply the editing controls a second time). I include it merely to make it clear where the subtle pink tinting in the original image is. It’s at a level in the original that probably (or possibly) many people will not see it.

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I see pink tinting on the lower left and right sides. After boosting saturation and contrast in the iOS Photos app:



Obviously that is very exaggerated (I had to screengrab it to apply the editing controls a second time). I include it merely to make it clear where the subtle pink tinting in the original image is. It’s at a level in the original that probably (or possibly) many people will not see it.
Is this from my 20% I guess it is since i don’t see anyone else posting pics lol.
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Is this from my 20% I guess it is since i don’t see anyone else posting pics lol.

Indeed it is. Thank you very much for your pictures.
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Indeed it is. Thank you very much for your pictures.
Your welcome. Looks like same issues with this new model. I don’t think I’m keeping it, maybe I’ll either wait and see what 2019 brings or try the Z9F. I’ll probably wait until some reviews come in first if I decide to go for the Z9F.
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That is too bad. Hopefully it gets better the more hours you put on it, before you have to return it. Sure hope it does, as was looking forward to this tv. Appreciate your feedback so far too. Maybe Z9F is the one?

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Your welcome. Looks like same issues with this new model. I don’t think I’m keeping it, maybe I’ll either wait and see what 2019 brings or try the Z9F. I’ll probably wait until some reviews come in first if I decide to go for the Z9F.
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Your welcome. Looks like same issues with this new model. I don’t think I’m keeping it, maybe I’ll either wait and see what 2019 brings or try the Z9F. I’ll probably wait until some reviews come in first if I decide to go for the Z9F.
The pics look good to me. I wish my A8F was as good. The lack of pronounced vertical bands is encouraging.
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The pics look good to me. I wish my A8F was as good. The lack of pronounced vertical bands is encouraging.
Did a panel refresh, looks like it made it worse. I just want to make it clear that I had no idea what banding was until I noticed it while watching a movie on VUDU with my LG OLED. I came on here and someone explained to me what I was seeing and that all OLED’s have this problem. I still have the LG. Let me also say that other than the banding the TV looks great. Wanted to post the pic of my 5% after the panel refresh but not sure how to do it on my phone. I’ll post later if anyone is interested.
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I see pink tinting on the lower left and right sides. After boosting saturation and contrast in the iOS Photos app:



Obviously that is very exaggerated (I had to screengrab it to apply the editing controls a second time). I include it merely to make it clear where the subtle pink tinting in the original image is. It’s at a level in the original that probably (or possibly) many people will not see it.
This picture is useless and misleading. When you turn up the saturation and contrast the panel will be severely clipping and non-linear so it's not a valid test.

You have two choices,
1) Run the panel for about 100 hours turning it off periodically so it does the short refresh and even then it might not be totally clean
2) Run one clear panel and you will basically see what the panel will look like and it will get rid of any screen retention from the factory. It won't hurt the panel.
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Which ones? I would be happy to check tomorrow. I doubt that I can contribute to the banding/picture discussions, but i definitely will be able to comment on features.
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