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Well, I decided to give the A9F a try. Mainly because my girlfriend is getting sick and tired of us always watching movies on my Macbook Pro while I sit on my money and wait for uniformity issues to be resolved with OLED.

Honestly, I will say that the bands on my A9F are definitely better than the two B6 OLEDs I had in 2016, as well as the A1E I briefly tested in 2017. There’s a very thick left band/discoloration about 25% to the left of the center which I saw in Marco Polo using my preferred settings of about 32ftL in Custom Mode. The band is noticeable up to about 20% IRE, but most of the (very) faint ones are only noticeable at 5% only.

No, it’s not bad. And might not be a big deal to some, but for me, someone who is rather anal about uniformity, it’ll drive me nuts. So after running it for a couple of days and running one long comp cycle, I’ll probably live with it for a week - but most likely will return it.

I’m not going to be running any more tests or providing much else, but if you’re curious about something in particular then send me a private message and I’ll try to answer it the best I can.

Just some notes: I calibrated SDR-only using my iDisplayPro. I only did a 2-point and CMS and everything fell into place pretty easily doing this and this alone targeting BT1886.

The only thing that threw me off with calibration is something I also ran into with the old LG B6. Black Level at default of 50 crushes out black bars 17-18-19. Raising it to 53 fixes this (although 17 is still barely noticeable). But it spoils zero black, meaning that I set it back to 50, despite the fact that it’s crushing. I found this very odd, because the A1E I had was dead-on right out of the box. I’m sure a pro calibration could solve all this, but it’s unlikely I’ll be going down that road. I still think that my old VT60 exhibited better shadow detail, but that’s just going off of memory from three years ago before I sold it.

Honestly, I think Sony is on the right track here, but for 5K, I think I’ll wait it out a bit longer and see what LG and Sony have in store for 2019.

Here is 5% post calibration in Custom Mode with Brightness at 15 to cater to my pitch black viewing conditions.
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Honestly you're playing the panel lottery here, my 2016 LG C6 has better uniformity at 5% than the picture you posted LOL
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Brand new Sony 65 KD-AF9, 15 minutes after first turning it on. Very, very pleased!

Can't see any banding in content.

Best picture I have ever seen!

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So far I'm seeing 5% screens that I'd most definitely qualify in the "good enough" range. If that could be taken for granted, with AF9, it would be a good result and would probably mean that the "uniformity calibration" thing that they mentioned during the presentation is somewhat real. What do you think?

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Taken several hours later.

On the previous LG 65 G6, I had a very bright band just off center to the left that was visible up to 40% white.

I hope it's going in the right direction.

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Well, I decided to give the A9F a try. Mainly because my girlfriend is getting sick and tired of us always watching movies on my Macbook Pro while I sit on my money and wait for uniformity issues to be resolved with OLED.

Honestly, I will say that the bands on my A9F are definitely better than the two B6 OLEDs I had in 2016, as well as the A1E I briefly tested in 2017. There’s a very thick left band/discoloration about 25% to the left of the center which I saw in Marco Polo using my preferred settings of about 32ftL in Custom Mode. The band is noticeable up to about 20% IRE, but most of the (very) faint ones are only noticeable at 5% only.

No, it’s not bad. And might not be a big deal to some, but for me, someone who is rather anal about uniformity, it’ll drive me nuts. So after running it for a couple of days and running one long comp cycle, I’ll probably live with it for a week - but most likely will return it.

I’m not going to be running any more tests or providing much else, but if you’re curious about something in particular then send me a private message and I’ll try to answer it the best I can.

Just some notes: I calibrated SDR-only using my iDisplayPro. I only did a 2-point and CMS and everything fell into place pretty easily doing this and this alone targeting BT1886.

The only thing that threw me off with calibration is something I also ran into with the old LG B6. Black Level at default of 50 crushes out black bars 17-18-19. Raising it to 53 fixes this (although 17 is still barely noticeable). But it spoils zero black, meaning that I set it back to 50, despite the fact that it’s crushing. I found this very odd, because the A1E I had was dead-on right out of the box. I’m sure a pro calibration could solve all this, but it’s unlikely I’ll be going down that road. I still think that my old VT60 exhibited better shadow detail, but that’s just going off of memory from three years ago before I sold it.

Honestly, I think Sony is on the right track here, but for 5K, I think I’ll wait it out a bit longer and see what LG and Sony have in store for 2019.

Here is 5% post calibration in Custom Mode with Brightness at 15 to cater to my pitch black viewing conditions.




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I think the shootout TV had the same problem. I noticed they had brightness set to 52 and the floor was still slightly raised so the blacks weren't as nice as the LG.
I'm sure Sony could fix this with a firmware update.

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As witht the LGs, every set is slightly different. My A9F at home is fine at 50-51 whereas the shootout TV we needed to raise it to 52 when 51 1/2 would have been perfect. If we had more time we could have used calibration to further fine tune it. But, yes LG has worked very hard on getting their near black details perfect and that showed at the shootout.
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A note of help: The .zip file extracts to another .zip (not .pkg) and that's what the TV is looking for - "sony_dtv0FA70A0BA0AB_00004300_16003481000059. zip"

Don't rename it or it won't be recognized.

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8.0.0, security patch level is July 1, 2018. Kernel 4.9.51. Firday Aug 31st 2018.
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The update was almost instantly completed after the transfer. I wonder if there is a new patch process that only updates what's changed vs the old process that touched everything?
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I got the AF9 today and the first thing I've done is to test vertical banding with 5% and 10% pictures.
I will post it here to give you all a first look what it looks like on my AF9.
In my view it's totally fine and I don't really see it in real content. After two AF8 panels which I've returned I'm now completely satisfied.

Also this panel hasn't any color issues or something in that direction.

I think I will keep it.

PS: this images describe a banding test picture with 5 and 10% gray values. No clean up algorithm has been made yet.
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So the set that you have is pretty typical so far and you won't get a panel better than that with OLED technology.
Nope, we all new these units may be the master series but they will not be perfect.
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As witht the LGs, every set is slightly different. My A9F at home is fine at 50-51 whereas the shootout TV we needed to raise it to 52 when 51 1/2 would have been perfect. If we had more time we could have used calibration to further fine tune it. But, yes LG has worked very hard on getting their near black details perfect and that showed at the shootout.
I think you're right.... Recommend Sony make .5 increments for brightness and contrast.

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My tv finally arrived on Friday. What a picture. Didn’t have long to play with it. Is there any advantage/disadvantage to removing the plastic film on the back of the tv?

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Has rtings yet to put out their a9f review? they already reviewed the z9f. it's a tiring wait waiting for some professional reviews, rtings and hdtvtest/vincent especially.
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My tv finally arrived on Friday. What a picture. Didn’t have long to play with it. Is there any advantage/disadvantage to removing the plastic on the back of the tv?
what tv were you coming from prior to getting the a9f...oled, lcd or plasma?
by plastic you if mean the plastic piece on the back, that should be left there, if youre talking of some plastic film on the back (dont know if a9f has it), then that should be peeled off before using the tv.
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Has rtings yet to put out their a9f review? they already reviewed the z9f. it's a tiring wait waiting for some professional reviews, rtings and hdtvtest/vincent especially.
Both reviews are coming next week 🙂
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Both reviews are coming next week 🙂
that's good then, only a few days it's already weekend. i'd expect it to be reviewed very well from both sources, it looks great from what i demoed, need the technical nitty gritty from the reviews.
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that's good then, only a few days it's already weekend. i'd expect it to be reviewed very well from both sources, it looks great from what i demoed, need the technical nitty gritty from the reviews.
Same here, only waiting those reviews, Rtings and HDTVTest are the best we can find ! Wanna so how Sony's ABL is working this time, hope there's no dimming and decent HDR brightness !
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^from initial user impressions, the dimming problem (which is actually asbl not abl) is not an issue, asbl doesnt kick off 'soon' - sounds like sony has made the asbl algorithm much less aggressive. and the hdr does look brighter than the a1/a1e, it is close to a lg 2018 oled ( at the shootout it tied with lg in the hdr category). vincent confirming the same would just clear some more aspersions.
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Brand new Sony 65 KD-AF9, 15 minutes after first turning it on. Very, very pleased!

Can't see any banding in content.

Best picture I have ever seen!

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I think the shootout TV had the same problem. I noticed they had brightness set to 52 and the floor was still slightly raised so the blacks weren't as nice as the LG.
I'm sure Sony could fix this with a firmware update.

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The Peak brightness is insane on the A9F. with perfect black , it highlights the HDR effect perfect on the brightest parts! and on LCD it brights up the whole screen. Even if LCD (Z9F) got higher Peak brightness it effects the whole screen , thats why Oled is doing things better. it only highlights the brightest parts , thats giving a cleaner image and a better effect in total.

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There is a setting in set to turn off the front light off
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Can't see any banding in content.

Best picture I have ever seen!

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Thats a GREAT looking 5% screen you have there there
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The Peak brightness is insane on the A9F. with perfect black , it highlights the HDR effect perfect on the brightest parts! and on LCD it brights up the whole screen. Even if LCD (Z9F) got higher Peak brightness it effects the whole screen , thats why Oled is doing things better. it only highlights the brightest parts , thats giving a cleaner image and a better effect in total.

Q: Conventional wisdom is that in a bright room with uncontrolled lighting the Oled is a poor choice and the LCD better. Reading your comments seems to contradict this logic. Curious as to your thoughts and experiences in this regard?

Present TV is a 900E with brightness down around 20 and the ambient light sensor on. The location is on a west wall so forenoon sun is the only real issue and we seldom watch anything in the morning. Seems 20 by day and dimmed down by night is where we are at. I think I'd really like the Oled, but on the flip side the 900E does fine by me. It just needs to be replaced.
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Thank you very much for the Info!

Did the MF-Settings (Menu Options) change? Or are they the same?
I've not noticed changes. The build numbers are so close that I think Sony was addressing just the couple of items mentioned in the release notes.
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Q: Conventional wisdom is that in a bright room with uncontrolled lighting the Oled is a poor choice and the LCD better. Reading your comments seems to contradict this logic. Curious as to your thoughts and experiences in this regard?

Present TV is a 900E with brightness down around 20 and the ambient light sensor on. The location is on a west wall so forenoon sun is the only real issue and we seldom watch anything in the morning. Seems 20 by day and dimmed down by night is where we are at. I think I'd really like the Oled, but on the flip side the 900E does fine by me. It just needs to be replaced.
I had a 930c in the location now occupied by the A9F. Lighting is mostly uncontrolled during the day (open loft), and the A9F does just fine.
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I had a 930c in the location now occupied by the A9F. Lighting is mostly uncontrolled during the day (open loft), and the A9F does just fine.


I agree we all must keep in mind todays Oleds at 700+ nits are much brighter than lcds of years past. If they did well in a bright room so can these remembering no direct light on any screen regardless of tech.

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I had a 930c in the location now occupied by the A9F. Lighting is mostly uncontrolled during the day (open loft), and the A9F does just fine.


I agree we all must keep in mind todays Oleds at 700+ nits are much brighter than lcds of years past. If they did well in a bright room so can these remembering no direct light on any screen regardless of tech.
Let's hope A9F can handle 700+ nits and the Asbl isn't as aggressive as it is on the A1/A8F
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Gentlemen. Finally after some delays due to some A/C and duct/vent repairs followed by the necessity to purchase a generator and supply due to hurricane Florence here in southeastern North Carolina I'm finally back on track and will be ordering the 55" A9F sometime this week.

Not too crazy about the 5% tilt or pedestal stand so I want to get a tabletop stand to use. I have never used a wall mount or table stand before so not really familiar with them. The TVs manual states that is 400 x 200 mounting. I looked on Amazon for some stand that can support the TVs weight of 52 pounds (w/o stand) along with the VESA specs matching 400 x 200 that can support it says 110 pounds. Ran across this that seems to have good reviews. I don't want to mount it to the wall.

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Anyone with the knowledge of this stuff think this works or maybe have a recommendation? Any info appreciated.

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