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I’m going to order a 65” A9F for delivery next week. Looked at Blu-ray’s at BB For 2 hours and it’s the best upscaling I’ve seen by far. Was also tempted by the 77” C8 though, but it seemed the pic had more noise ( on 1080P). Is this just what happens when you blow up the pic that far, or is this really the A9F strutting it’s stuff? I sit 11 feet from the screen so would love a bigger screen but sharpness is max importance to me. Also, anyone mount it on a table stand? Thanks for all your input,!!
Yes it's just what happens when you go up in screen size that far. The smaller screen will always appear to be sharper. The Sony does have slightly better processing but on a reference quality blu-ray there should not be any major differences between a Sony Oled and an LG Oled of the same size.

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From Flatpanelshd : "Peak brightness not as high as other OLEDs
Too aggressive dimming function (anti burn-in)"

That's it ..

Helvetica bold : look the ranks for HDR lol, the AF9 is less good than all others OLED TV ...

"Best gaming TVs

In the table below you will find all the TVs that we have measured to below 50 ms in input lag (calibrated or game mode). The list is sorted by date and includes TVs from 2014 and newer. Every time we publish a new review the list will update automatically so feel free to save this link. All the TVs are available in several size classes but we are linking to the size we reviewed.

2018Philips OLED80339 ms81%UK DE
2018Panasonic FZ80021 ms81%UK DE
2018LG C821 ms81%US UK DE
2017BeoVision Eclipse21 ms81%US UK DE
2017LG B7 OLED21 ms81%US UK DE
2017Panasonic EZ95026 ms81%UK DE
2017LG E721 ms81%US UK DE
2017Sony A147 ms81%US UK DE
2018Sony A9F27 ms80%US UK DE"

AF9 is less good than A1 and AF8, and all others 2018 TV
Omg man you opened our eyes really and i was going to buy the a9f and now that i see that has 1% difference you saved me so i will keep my z9d till something better from Sony comes out.

No offence but you are trolling us right?
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Yes it's just what happens when you go up in screen size that far. The smaller screen will always appear to be sharper. The Sony does have slightly better processing but on a reference quality blu-ray there should not be any major differences between a Sony Oled and an LG Oled of the same size.
Thanks. I’m going to move the TV table 2 feet closer to me- it’ll shrink the room, but hey, priorities...
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So, its better to get the cheaper x700 if one wants to future proof for DV? (say 5 years)
Compared to the x800 I mean.

If you value DV, it's probably worth it. The x800 has some nice DACs for analog audio out but I don't use them. I think it has a larger set of decoding capabilities. But, if your main purpose is to watch Blu-Rays or 4K Blu-Rays, the x700 is a very good deal. It also is lauded for its upscaling capabilities but I have everything running straight into my X900E. By default, both players will not upscale if they detect a Sony TV.
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How does the x700 compare to the LG UBK90?

Not sure, but found a thread here: https://www.avforums.com/threads/pan...ubk90.2170103/


When I bought the X800 last year, there was nothing that could compete with it for the 150 bucks I paid. Even at 200. And the reviews I read compared well to Oppo so I was sold. I am not sure of the landscape this year.
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Omg man you opened our eyes really and i was going to buy the a9f and now that i see that has 1% difference you saved me so i will keep my z9d till something better from Sony comes out.

No offence but you are trolling us right?
He's been at it for weeks in French forums. Pathetic.
Just sell the set you're not happy with and move on. And stop bothering others!
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Because it can lead into burn in. That's that worry.
Check out the master burn in thread, sure it happens, very rare......LG has been covering it case by case as well even after the 1 year period.

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I’m going to order a 65” A9F for delivery next week. Looked at Blu-ray’s at BB For 2 hours and it’s the best upscaling I’ve seen by far. Was also tempted by the 77” C8 though, but it seemed the pic had more noise ( on 1080P). Is this just what happens when you blow up the pic that far, or is this really the A9F strutting it’s stuff? I sit 11 feet from the screen so would love a bigger screen but sharpness is max importance to me. Also, anyone mount it on a table stand? Thanks for all your input,!!
When you vied the 77" where you 11FT away?
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When you vied the 77" where you 11FT away?[/QUOTE]

That’s a good question. I was, but I was also 6-8 feet away. At home I often watch from that distance as well, when I’m working out. If I was aware of a more flawed picture at 8 feet it would affect my experience. Nothing comes easy,eh? Lol
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You guys that use a surround system with your TV. Is your receiver detecting a Dolby Digital signal from the TV or a Dolby Digital + signal? My receiver says it is detecting Dolby Digital +. I'm using the ARC. And I'm referring to OTA broadcast antenna channels and cable from my cable box.
I hate to tell you this, but even though your receiver is saying "DD+", you're probably actually getting only high bit rate 5.1 DD over ARC. The receiver reports it because the signal info says it's so, but DD+ is a high bit rate DD 5.1 core "+" extensions. and those extensions are what generally don't make it down an ARC or optical pipeline.

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When you vied the 77" where you 11FT away?
That’s a good question. I was, but I was also 6-8 feet away. At home I often watch from that distance as well, when I’m working out. If I was aware of a more flawed picture at 8 feet it would affect my experience. Nothing comes easy,eh? Lol[/QUOTE]
Do you think moving the TV 2 feet forward, changing the viewing distance from 11 to 9 feet, would have a significant impact? On a 65” screen?
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I hate to tell you this, but even though your receiver is saying "DD+", you're probably actually getting only high bit rate 5.1 DD over ARC. The receiver reports it because the signal info says it's so, but DD+ is a high bit rate DD 5.1 core "+" extensions. and those extensions are what generally don't make it down an ARC or optical pipeline.
Re: this, has anyone tried using an HDMI splitter like an hdfury to route DD+ from a 4K ATV or Roku to a receiver, and the 4K signal to the TV? See’ms like a good solution
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I hate to tell you this, but even though your receiver is saying "DD+", you're probably actually getting only high bit rate 5.1 DD over ARC. The receiver reports it because the signal info says it's so, but DD+ is a high bit rate DD 5.1 core "+" extensions. and those extensions are what generally don't make it down an ARC or optical pipeline.
Re: this, has anyone tried using an HDMI splitter like an hdfury to route DD+ from a 4K ATV or Roku to a receiver, and the 4K signal to the TV? See’ms like a good solution
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Is there a way to get the A9F to display the signal format being received on the current input? I expected the Display button to provide this feature, but not so. I would like to be able to tell if I'm receiving HDR or SDR, or HDR with DV.

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Is there a way to get the A9F to display the signal format being received on the current input? I expected the Display button to provide this feature, but not so. I would like to be able to tell if I'm receiving HDR or SDR, or HDR with DV.
That info would be nice to see as well as a framerate indicator. As it is, the Display button info is not totally useless, but it's not really informative either, it's the bare minimum of info. For a flagship display($$$$), I think they could have spent a few dollars on a few more lines of code.
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Is there a way to get the A9F to display the signal format being received on the current input? I expected the Display button to provide this feature, but not so. I would like to be able to tell if I'm receiving HDR or SDR, or HDR with DV.
Action menu on the remote -> picture adjustments - the right hand menu that pops up will have an HDR symbol in the top when it’s HDR.
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How do you like the integrated speakers on the A9F?

Is it possible to use this TV, without a Soundbar?

I figured I could go without it, which would mean a savings of a few hundred $, compared to buying a LCD.

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When i was saying that the AF9 have really poor hdr performance on pic brightness look at that :

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/review....d=1541414557#4

Really disappointing tu see that Sony offers the same performance than 2016 OLED TV on this point !!! The AF9 is way less good than the AF8 on brightness, it is a joke ?? Sony we are in 2018 !!!?? O_o

This tv is'nt good for gaming i repeat
Dude Ive read all your recent post get a clue lol i had a8f prior peak brightness is better on a9f not by much but you can see it even is was same of slightly less the a9f uses dynamic tone mapping for HDR this make HDR much better than a8f showing off more spectacular highlight than you miss on a1e/a8f making HDR look too dark on them.

Darker scenes in this video perfect example

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How do you like the integrated speakers on the A9F?

Is it possible to use this TV, without a Soundbar?

I figured I could go without it, which would mean a savings of a few hundred $, compared to buying a LCD.
I tried using the built in speakers initially. If you watch mostly dramas, news shows, and maybe sports it would be fine. They didn't cut it for me for movies with big sound. I'm trying it now using the built in speakers for the center channel.
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I hate to tell you this, but even though your receiver is saying "DD+", you're probably actually getting only high bit rate 5.1 DD over ARC. The receiver reports it because the signal info says it's so, but DD+ is a high bit rate DD 5.1 core "+" extensions. and those extensions are what generally don't make it down an ARC or optical pipeline.
No worries. I'm know my cable channels (or box) and the antenna broadcasters are not sending DD+. I was just curious why my receiver was saying that's what it was a receiving from them. When I knew it wasn't. And I was curious if anybody else was seeing the same thing. From my previous LG E6 tv the receiver showed that it was receiving only DD5.1 over ARC like it should. This would mean either my receiver is not working properly or the SonyTV is causing it.

I may have caused. I went into "Settings>Sound>eARC mode" And set it to "Auto" to see if my Roku premium plus would pass Atmos through the TV to the receiver or not. Then I turned eARC mode back off to try that way.
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Thanks for posting! Your picture confused me for a second due to the reflection. What is the depth from the wall? Not including the tilt?
i don't have tape measure but stick out far im guessing its about 6-7 inches here better pic



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Can anyone explain exactly what the Black Adjust, Adv. Contrast Enhancer, and Peak Luminance settings do in the Picture Adjustments, Advanced Settings menu and whether they should ever be used?
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i don't have tape measure but stick out far im guessing its about 6-7 inches here better pic



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Another excellent A9F review–this is especially noteworthy:

"As we keep mentioning within our reviews of HDR TVs, the Internet obsession with peak brightness figures is only one very small part of what actually makes up dynamic range and an HDR image. Effective tone mapping like that implemented here with the AF9 and OLEDs excellent pixel level blacks and specular highlight capabilities give the AF9 a superb high dynamic range image that is perceivably bright and intense in comparison with all other HDR OLEDs we have tested and had side by side with the AF9, including the excellent Philips 803."

https://www.avforums.com/review/sony...v-review.15500

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I think my brightness is set at 5 or something like that lol. My color is set to 42 I think. Or else it just seems to be assaulting my retinas. I was worried before I bought my Sony about the whole thing about peak brightness and all that. But boy was I wrong. First time I tried the TV out of the box and played Planet Earth 2 I had to get my damn sunglasses out!
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I think my brightness is set at 5 or something like that lol. My color is set to 42 I think. Or else it just seems to be assaulting my retinas. I was worried before I bought my Sony about the whole thing about peak brightness and all that. But boy was I wrong. First time I tried the TV out of the box and played Planet Earth 2 I had to get my damn sunglasses out!

Yer killin me man! I mean conventional wisdom keeps telling me that in my bright room OLED will suffer, but then I see comments about running bright way down at the low end of the scale and it keeps flipping me back and forth between the Z9 and A9...
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Yer killin me man! I mean conventional wisdom keeps telling me that in my bright room OLED will suffer, but then I see comments about running bright way down at the low end of the scale and it keeps flipping me back and forth between the Z9 and A9...
To be fair my bedroom I keep pretty dark but I do open up the windows and let the light come in and I don't have any issues as long as there are no direct light sources behind me so that the reflections don't appear on the screen. Only reason I would get the FALD options if I am perfectly honest is if I wanted a 75 inch tv or else I would push for OLED always. Still floored with the images the TV can produce and mine is not even calibrated yet.

That said I have not seen a side by side comparison of the z9d and the a9f in heavy HDR content. It could be that the z9d would look better cause of the higher light output. So far other than the 4500 bucks I had to shell out of my pocket I don't feel any regrets at all with my purchase.
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The contrast of oled can give highlight details more punch, even the best lcd's have to raise the black floor ,so even though their peak light output is higher, the highlight detail doesnt give as much punch as oled. an example is a neon light or bulb glowing in hdr content, owning a z9d and oled, i think such a light source looks better on oled. since lcd's have to raise the black floor, their higher light output advantage tends to get 'washed' and the overall punch of the light seems weaker. oled can maintain a perfect black and can render bright objects without raising the black so it looks punchier. and that is why simply going off a peak brightness spec of an oled and high nit lcd does not tell you the full story. human eye perceives the difference between black and white, and black is the foundation on which you build upon. lcd's don't have that foundation, lcd's are like piling up more floors on a multi storeyed building when the ground floor is not stable.
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Just check out bladerunner 2049 HDR forgot about how dark it looked on my a8f wasn't happy at all. Its perfect on a9f really good movie to compare if you had prior OLED models the a9f brings out so much more detail im still at awe seeing what dynamic tone mapping does to HDR


Also does anyone know how to or even if there is recent app selection on android 8? With a8f if you hold home button it brings up recent app cant find on a9f.


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The contrast of oled can give highlight details more punch, even the best lcd's have to raise the black floor ,so even though their peak light output is higher, the highlight detail doesnt give as much punch as oled. an example is a neon light or bulb glowing in hdr content, owning a z9d and oled, i think such a light source looks better on oled. since lcd's have to raise the black floor, their higher light output advantage tends to get 'washed' and the overall punch of the light seems weaker. oled can maintain a perfect black and can render bright objects without raising the black so it looks punchier. and that is why simply going off a peak brightness spec of an oled and high nit lcd does not tell you the full story. human eye perceives the difference between black and white, and black is the foundation on which you build upon. lcd's don't have that foundation, lcd's are like piling up more floors on a multi storeyed building when the ground floor is not stable.

Other than crap viewing angle you get from PVA panels that was biggest complaint when i had 930e. Yea its very bright but has negative effect washing out things.

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