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Since Sony is using stock android TV (and many people tend to complain when companies do custom interfaces instead of sticking with the standard android one), if google decides to update the home screen app and change what it does, there isn't much Sony can do about it. Well unless they make a custom home screen app instead, and well then many people would be unhappy (Sony does not exactly have a history of making good user interfaces after all).
I get that Sony is using an "off the shelf" OS but I have to believe that if Sony didn't want it there, it would not be there.
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That Google Play shelf is there as well but it's forced down off the screen by the new Google ad shelf.
I don’t have the ad. I think this is a regional thing. See my screenshot:
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Has anyone used a sound bar with this TV without mounting? I’m trying to think creatively here, since I like the minimalist look of the TV on my current stand but there’s no space to put the sound bar!
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Question Is the "near black macro blocking and flashing" issue a problem on the Sony AF9?

Is the "near black macro blocking and flashing" issue a problem on the Sony AF9?
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I get that Sony is using an "off the shelf" OS but I have to believe that if Sony didn't want it there, it would not be there.
It's a standard android TV app from the play store. Sony has nothing to do with it and no say in it (other than corporate level being able to tell Google what they think of it and declaring they won't use android tv again in the future). Sony would have to make their own app for the GUI if they wanted to control it.

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Has anyone used a sound bar with this TV without mounting? I’m trying to think creatively here, since I like the minimalist look of the TV on my current stand but there’s no space to put the sound bar!


I have mine with a 5.1.4 system but if you want a sound bar with this tv you’ll 100% need to have it above or below the tv if possible. Otherwise you’d lose 2-3 inches of screen space.


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Is the "near black macro blocking and flashing" issue a problem on the Sony AF9?
It was mentioned in one Forbes article, but I've not noticed it myself.
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It's a standard android TV app from the play store. Sony has nothing to do with it and no say in it (other than corporate level being able to tell Google what they think of it and declaring they won't use android tv again in the future). Sony would have to make their own app for the GUI if they wanted to control it.
If the below-linked post is to be believed it seems that Sony is 100% complicit in allowing the new ad shelf,

Android TV ads explained: Why Google wants to ‘sponsor’ your homescreen and who’s affected

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The most important thing to note in all of this is that, no, not all Android TV users are seeing this Sponsored row. When this story first hit the news cycle, user outrage quickly misinformed many that this new Sponsored row was showing up on Android TV devices from Sony, Nvidia, and Xiaomi.

Google has confirmed to us that select Sony TVs are the only models part of the pilot program.

Nvidia further confirmed that the Shield TV is not part of the pilot program. Not all Sony devices are part of this pilot program and only a small group of people who own those Sony models are selected as a part of this pilot program.

For the time being at least, the vast majority of Android TV users won’t see the Sponsored row, and that includes the Nvidia Shield and Xiaomi Mi Box. Google says that hardware OEMs need to opt-in to this program, and during the pilot, not all partners were even offered the option.

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Since this is a pilot program, Google wasn’t able to share many details on how this content would be served or if the end user would have any control over it. They do explain, however, that only content from services with apps already on Android TV, but that you might not have installed, will be shown here. The current pilot program is only working with a few direct advertising partners, though.

Some examples that have hit the web show promotions for PlayStation Vue with March Madness streaming, TV shows from FOX, and even Google’s own YouTube TV.
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If the below-linked post is to be believed it seems that Sony is 100% complicit in allowing the new ad shelf,

Android TV ads explained: Why Google wants to ‘sponsor’ your homescreen and who’s affected

I thought the last entry of the last line here was pretty revealing.
Hmm, that's certainly different than what I had read about it so far.

Well in that case Sony is being stupid in opting in to that.
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Hmm, that's certainly different than what I had read about it so far.

Well in that case Sony is being stupid in opting in to that.
It's the new world where even if you spend multi-thousands of dollars on a display, at the end of the day you're not the customer but just a product to be sold to advertisers.
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A9F owners need to answer me a question.

If i buy a 65A9F and place it on a stand, how wide is the base of the 65A9F? My tv stand is exactly 4 feet/48 inches wide, does this mean the 65A9F will not be able to have its entire base resting on the stand and will it stick out from the left and right sides? By how much exactly, and more importantly, will this be a balance issue? Would the 65A9F be stable on a 48 inches stand?

Im not planning to change my stand to accomodate the tv.
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A9F owners need to answer me a question.

If i buy a 65A9F and place it on a stand, how wide is the base of the 65A9F? My tv stand is exactly 4 feet/48 inches wide, does this mean the 65A9F will not be able to have its entire base resting on the stand and will it stick out from the left and right sides? By how much exactly, and more importantly, will this be a balance issue? Would the 65A9F be stable on a 48 inches stand?

Im not planning to change my stand to accomodate the tv.
Figuring the TV is approximately 57" wide. You're looking at 4.5" over each side.

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Figuring the TV is approximately 57" wide. You're looking at 4.5" over each side.
Also answer the second question if you can, if it sticks out 4.5" on L and R, will that be even a bit of a balance issue?
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Also answer the second question if you can, if it sticks out 4.5" on L and R, will that be even a bit of a balance issue?
The stand has a pretty good weight on it, so it would probably be fine, but it's something that I wouldn't chance.

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A9F owners need to answer me a question.

If i buy a 65A9F and place it on a stand, how wide is the base of the 65A9F? My tv stand is exactly 4 feet/48 inches wide, does this mean the 65A9F will not be able to have its entire base resting on the stand and will it stick out from the left and right sides? By how much exactly, and more importantly, will this be a balance issue? Would the 65A9F be stable on a 48 inches stand?

Im not planning to change my stand to accomodate the tv.
Your stand should be deep enough to fit the easel depth once extended. If the TV/panel is a bit wider than the stand by a few inches left and right should be ok. The panel bottom rests on the stand. There is a bit of rubber at each end bottom edge of the panel that would not be resting on the stand.
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A9F owners need to answer me a question.

If i buy a 65A9F and place it on a stand, how wide is the base of the 65A9F? My tv stand is exactly 4 feet/48 inches wide, does this mean the 65A9F will not be able to have its entire base resting on the stand and will it stick out from the left and right sides? By how much exactly, and more importantly, will this be a balance issue? Would the 65A9F be stable on a 48 inches stand?

Im not planning to change my stand to accomodate the tv.
At the front, the display rests on two pads 12" apart at the bottom of the display. It doesn't matter how far the screen itself hangs over the edge of a stand as long as there's enough room for that 12"-14" part that has those pads. The display does not rest on the edge of the screen itself to provide support. This was a question that was asked of the Sony rep at my local Mag/HiFi and that was his response and it's proven out by looking at the display itself.

I took two shots of the base of the display showing where the display actually rests on a stand. The rear piece has pads about 14" apart and the weight of the piece shown is about 15 lbs. Add that to the actual display and the whole assembly is pretty sturdy. My display is mounted on an articulating wall mount and that's why the rear piece is shown just by itself.
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Your stand should be deep enough to fit the easel depth once extended. If the TV/panel is a bit wider than the stand by a few inches left and right should be ok. The panel bottom rests on the stand. There is a bit of rubber at each end bottom edge of the panel that would not be resting on the stand.
The depth of my tv stand is 22 inches , most of the space is empty at the back except the back edges where there are cables running. Will that depth be sufficient to have the easel stand of a 65A9F open up and properly rest at the back?
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At the front, the display rests on two pads 12" apart at the bottom of the display. It doesn't matter how far the screen itself hangs over the edge of a stand as long as there's enough room for that 12"-14" part that has those pads. The display does not rest on the edge of the screen itself to provide support. This was a question that was asked of the Sony rep at my local Mag/HiFi and that was his response and it's proven out by looking at the display itself.

I took two shots of the base of the display showing where the display actually rests on a stand. The rear piece has pads about 14" apart and the weight of the piece shown is about 15 lbs. Add that to the actual display and the whole assembly is pretty sturdy. My display is mounted on an articulating wall mount and that's why the rear piece is shown just by itself.
Thx for the reply, would you happen to know how 'inwards' those two rubber pads are, meaning would those pads be covered by a 48 inches wide stand or would they stick out too?
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Thx for the reply, would you happen to know how 'inwards' those two rubber pads are, meaning would those pads be covered by a 48 inches wide stand or would they stick out too?
I lifted the below from the manual. I'm not sure what you mean about the "inwards" question. The image of the pads on the front of the display was taken from the floor looking up at the bottom of the screen. The 65" display will fit on a stand that is at a minimum 14" square, anything longer and wider would be simply for aesthetic reasons. Clearly, a 14" square wouldn't look all that great, but it would provide sufficient support for the display. And if you had small children or animals it obviously wouldn't be ideal either. While the display appears to rest on the screen itself, it, in fact, does not.

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Dimensions (Approx.)

with stand
XBR-65A9F: 1,449 × 832 × 320 mm /
57 1/8 × 32 7/8 × 12 5/8 inches
XBR-55A9F: 1,228 × 709 × 320 mm /
48 3/8 × 28 × 12 5/8 inches

without stand
XBR-65A9F: 1,449 × 835 × 86 mm /
57 1/8 × 32 7/8 × 3 1/2 inches
XBR-55A9F: 1,228 × 711 × 86 mm /
48 3/8 × 28 × 3 1/2 inches

wall-mount hole pattern
XBR-65A9F: 400 × 200 mm
XBR-55A9F: 400 × 200 mm
wall-mount screw size (mm)
M6 (length: refer to diagram on page 14.)

Mass (Approx.)
with stand
XBR-65A9F: 35.6 kg / 78.5 lb.
XBR-55A9F: 30.0 kg / 66.1 lb.
without stand
XBR-65A9F: 27.2 kg / 60.0 lb.
XBR-55A9F: 23.8 kg / 52.5 lb.
I think I understand your pad question and no, the pads would not stick out given that dimension. I uploaded the setup PDF which might give a better picture of how it's setup.
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The depth of my tv stand is 22 inches , most of the space is empty at the back except the back edges where there are cables running. Will that depth be sufficient to have the easel stand of a 65A9F open up and properly rest at the back?
My Salamander stand is about 19.5 inches deep and it fits fine. From the back of the panel to the edge of the easel stand it’s about 11.5 inches deep.
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I have a 55 inch A1E. What is the best way to move these TVs that have the kickstand? Holding the actuators? What if you no longer have the rubber squares that were on the bottom edges out of the box?
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The depth of my tv stand is 22 inches , most of the space is empty at the back except the back edges where there are cables running. Will that depth be sufficient to have the easel stand of a 65A9F open up and properly rest at the back?
It probably will. My stand is is 27". The back of the tv with the Easel standing between the widest points from front to back is ~15" wide.
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I have a 55 inch A1E. What is the best way to move these TVs that have the kickstand? Holding the actuators? What if you no longer have the rubber squares that were on the bottom edges out of the box?
There's an Abt channel video on how to move the A9F. Probably the unboxing of A9F video. I moved mine using that video.
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Hello Sony A9F owners! I'm looking for some input to help me decide on which Sony OLED to buy. I just bought the LG C8 from Costco about a month ago, and I'm not blown away with the image quality on HD 720p and 1080p from streaming apps. On 4k HDR and DV the TV looks great but not as good as the Sony OLED's IMO. The Costco price is what made me pull the trigger. After lurking on here for awhile I have made up my mind that the Sony A9F or the A9G will be the TV replacing my C8.

Here is the question. Is there a big difference between the new A9G and A9F to warrant waiting? And would you wait if there was an amazing deal on a A9F?

Any advice is welcomed. Thanks everyone!
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Hello Sony A9F owners! I'm looking for some input to help me decide on which Sony OLED to buy. I just bought the LG C8 from Costco about a month ago, and I'm not blown away with the image quality on HD 720p and 1080p from streaming apps. On 4k HDR and DV the TV looks great but not as good as the Sony OLED's IMO. The Costco price is what made me pull the trigger. After lurking on here for awhile I have made up my mind that the Sony A9F or the A9G will be the TV replacing my C8.

Here is the question. Is there a big difference between the new A9G and A9F to warrant waiting? And would you wait if there was an amazing deal on a A9F?

Any advice is welcomed. Thanks everyone!
Not much difference between A9F and A9G, there's even some review out there on the A9G in this regards. Don't know what's your location, but in some places the launch price of A9G is lower than the launch of A9F. If you can wait or unless you get deal on A9F, go for the A9G.
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Pulled the trigger tonight, and I’m officially an owner. Got a deal I couldn’t pass up! Can’t wait to put it through the paces.
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Pulled the trigger tonight, and I’m officially an owner. Got a deal I couldn’t pass up! Can’t wait to put it through the paces.
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I did a 5% greyscale test last night and I think I have pretty bad banding. I’m new to this and could use some advice.

I used my Apple TV YouTube app, and I had match dynamo range on but YouTube played the 5% scale in DV. So brightness was up all the way. Should I have used the TV Youtube app? I used DV dark.

Will the banding clean up after I put some hours on the set? I only had about 30 minutes on the set.
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I did a 5% greyscale test last night and I think I have pretty bad banding. I’m new to this and could use some advice.

I used my Apple TV YouTube app, and I had match dynamo range on but YouTube played the 5% scale in DV. So brightness was up all the way. Should I have used the TV Youtube app? I used DV dark.

Will the banding clean up after I put some hours on the set? I only had about 30 minutes on the set.

Many people have recommended running a manual clear screen before evaluating banding.
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