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Is it worth going from a C6 to a C8 panel?

Just like the thread title says. I bought a 65" C6 curved TV last year and its been flawless since day one. But, lately I've been having an itch to try out a C8 to see if the differences (if any) were worth the extra cost in upgrading. I know one of the biggest things people talk about with the C8 is the support of DV. But to my surprise, I see that my C6 also supports DV going by what the upper right hand corner tells me when I start a movie encoded with DV.

So I went out and picked up a C8 and I used it for a couple of days to see what the difference was. I don't know if my 50 year old eyes are getting tired but I hardly see any difference between my C6 and my C8 in terms of PQ.

So I ask, is it worth upgrading to a C8 or should I return the TV and be happy with my trusty C6?
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Just like the thread title says. I bought a 65" C6 curved TV last year and its been flawless since day one. But, lately I've been having an itch to try out a C8 to see if the differences (if any) were worth the extra cost in upgrading. I know one of the biggest things people talk about with the C8 is the support of DV. But to my surprise, I see that my C6 also supports DV going by what the upper right hand corner tells me when I start a movie encoded with DV.

So I went out and picked up a C8 and I used it for a couple of days to see what the difference was. I don't know if my 50 year old eyes are getting tired but I hardly see any difference between my C6 and my C8 in terms of PQ.

So I ask, is it worth upgrading to a C8 or should I return the TV and be happy with my trusty C6?
The C8 supports autocal (useless if you don't perform calibration), it supports BFI (but only at 60Hz, which causes visible flicker for many), is supports Dynamic Tonemapping (which may result in slightly better HDR10), it supports Atmos-over-ARC (though my recently p-acquired $35 FireStickTV4K has plugged that gap), it is supposed to do somewhat better in terms of near-black linearity than the C6, and burn-in protection technology has improved greatly on the C8 versus the C6 (in case you watch alot of CNN on your WOLED ).

For me, none of those improvements are enough to justify upgrading my 65C6P yet. I'm waiting to see improvements in near-black uniformity before I pull the trigger on a new WOLED. My 65C6P has pretty good near-black uniformity and after slogging-through the panel lottery once, I don't have the heart to go through that again...

The C6 is essentially perfect for SDR (except for the occasional DSE from pans over fairly uniform near-dark scenes and does a pretty darned-good job delivering HDR10 and Dolby Vision streaming through internal apps or over HDMI.

With a budget-friendly 75" panel (possibly with 8K resolution), HDMI 2.1, an i crease in peak brightness to 2000 cd/m2, and improvements to near-black uniformity along with an end to the panel lottery, I may be ready to upgrade.

Before then, not really interested.

Did you bring the C8 back or are you still deciding?
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How is the 3D on that C8?

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Not everyone wants or needs 3D.
If your C6 is "flawless" I would not waste money"upgrading". Yes, there have been minor improvements each year. But if you wait a few years, the improvements will be greater. And much of the improvements have been around better panels (less banding), which is moot for you if you have a good C6 panel.
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Just like the thread title says. I bought a 65" C6 curved TV last year and its been flawless since day one. But, lately I've been having an itch to try out a C8 to see if the differences (if any) were worth the extra cost in upgrading. I know one of the biggest things people talk about with the C8 is the support of DV. But to my surprise, I see that my C6 also supports DV going by what the upper right hand corner tells me when I start a movie encoded with DV.

So I went out and picked up a C8 and I used it for a couple of days to see what the difference was. I don't know if my 50 year old eyes are getting tired but I hardly see any difference between my C6 and my C8 in terms of PQ.

So I ask, is it worth upgrading to a C8 or should I return the TV and be happy with my trusty C6?
Alright. I have to assume 3D is not a concern for you. On the positive side, since 3D Oleds are in high demand it is entirely probable you would not encounter any extra costs. Might even end up with a few bucks in your pocket.

On the negative side...2 years from now your old C6 will probably have more value that the newer c8. It has 3D...even when 8K becomes mainstream...the 2016 Oleds will still be the ultimate 3D tv's ever made. While the C8 will be...among the best of the old 2D low resolution tv's, not have anything unique/special about it.

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If you want HDR content, then it is absolutely worth it! I couldn't believe how much more impact HDR has on my E8 compared to E6. I watched Covenant last night and it was almost like watching a new movie. HDR Game Mode also absolutely smokes the game mode on the 6.
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Alright. I have to assume 3D is not a concern for you. On the positive side, since 3D Oleds are in high demand it is entirely probable you would not encounter any extra costs. Might even end up with a few bucks in your pocket.

On the negative side...2 years from now your old C6 will probably have more value that the newer c8. It has 3D...even when 8K becomes mainstream...the 2016 Oleds will still be the ultimate 3D tv's ever made. While the C8 will be...among the best of the old 2D low resolution tv's, not have anything unique/special about it.
Yeah I remember 3D on the plasma. I bought it in 2011 along with Avatar and Titanic. I watched them both once and that was the extent of my 3D venture. I'd wager most were like me otherwise they'd still be making 3D panels.

It was a cool thing and I really thought I'd be interested in it... but in the end I just didn't get into it. As I recall I was having eyestrain issues and that was a big part of it.


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3D is dead... just the way it is.
My experience and feelings are similar to yours. I never "got it." When it came out, I told my wife there was no way it was going to last more than a few years.
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Yeah I remember 3D on the plasma. I bought it in 2011 along with Avatar and Titanic. I watched them both once and that was the extent of my 3D venture. I'd wager most were like me otherwise they'd still be making 3D panels.

It was a cool thing and I really thought I'd be interested in it... but in the end I just didn't get into it. As I recall I was having eyestrain issues and that was a big part of it.


3D is dead... just the way it is.
I don't disagree. But there are many who love 3D. Have large collections. And 4K 3D Oleds...are the rare crown jewels. They will hold their value...perhaps even go up over time. Working 3D tv's will fail as time goes by. Along with 3D Oleds. Making good working 4K 3D's become rarer and rarer. Supply/demand.


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I wouldn't really hold my breath on that 3D OLED appreciating with time.
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I wouldn't really hold my breath on that 3D OLED appreciating with time.

Heheh... the 3D plasma (42") sure didn't. It was moved to the bedroom after getting the OLED and the g/f decided she wanted a smart TV in there, so I just replaced the plasma with a 55" LG LCD. After seeing dozens of similar Panasonic plasma panels on CL that had been up for sale for weeks or months in the $50-$150 range I just gave it away to a coworker.


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I wouldn't really hold my breath on that 3D OLED appreciating with time.
The 55" has burn in.

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I had a 3D plasma, too. Got a handful of titles and couldn't get into it because of the dimness and the heavy monstrosity that is the active glasses. That all changed with the added prowess of OLED (greater brightness, zero blacks) and passive 3D. The collection is over 200 titles today. My eyes must be rekt by the STD! Antman and the Wasp is the latest treasure to behold. There's nothing that compares to a natively shot/well-converted IMAX scene on a 77" OLED (unless it includes a screen full of murky browns/grays). If you're using a shizzy plasma experience as your baseline for 3D in the home cinema, you have no idea what you're missing.

3D OLEDs have already retained their value in comparison to other displays of lore. No guarantees in the future of course.
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Wow, I didn't know my 65" C6 was holding so much value. I wonder what I could get for it on Craigslist? The TV is in very good condition with very (and I do mean very) light banding on the right hand side watching a 5% gray scale YouTube test video. I have tried to see the same area of banding with watching 4K HDR movies and I have yet been able to see any actual banding except for in the 5% test videos. And like I said, it's very, very minimal.
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I had a 3D plasma, too. Got a handful of titles and couldn't get into it because of the dimness and the heavy monstrosity that is the active glasses. That all changed with the added prowess of OLED (greater brightness, zero blacks) and passive 3D. The collection is over 200 titles today. My eyes must be rekt by the STD! Antman and the Wasp is the latest treasure to behold. There's nothing that compares to a natively shot/well-converted IMAX scene on a 77" OLED (unless it includes a screen full of murky browns/grays). If you're using a shizzy plasma experience as your baseline for 3D in the home cinema, you have no idea what you're missing.

3D OLEDs have already retained their value in comparison to other displays of lore. No guarantees in the future of course.

I totally agree - The marketing morons pushed 3D prematurely because they needed a gimmick to sell TVs before 4K arrived when it NEEDED 4K (and passive technology) to be viable, ie 1080p to each eye.
Passive 3D on an 4K OLED is glorious, amplifying the suspension of disbelief because everything just looks more real (unlike today's crappy VR). It makes good films great and even bad ones watchable

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So to wrap things up: If you need the finest viewing possible, then you should stick with your rare 3D 2016 Oled.

If not, you should sell your rare 2016 and downgrade to a later, no stereo, common mono vision only model. Use the extra cash left over from the sale to take your mama to see the new STAR WARS GALAXY'S EDGE at Disney. They will probably have some 3D effects rides.

Me self, going to keep rocking 3D.


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