Originally Posted by TravisPNW
I don't feel ripped off... for the most part I've stuck to the $20 ballpark for 4K discs and I usually read the reviews beforehand. I've gotten a ton of them for less than $15 and I'd say only a dozen or so I paid $25-$30 for.
As for 1080p blue rays... less than $10 is my goal and I usually get there unless it's a new release. I cleaned up on BF as I said... saving over 60% on a cart full of titles. Some purchases are easy to make... American Pie 4 disc set for $12... 7 disc Nightmare on Elm St set for $22... 7 disc Fast and Furious set for $32.... I've built a solid collection that will be pushing 400 titles soon by not passing up deals like that.
I've gone on quite the tangent myself with a similar method, my problem is I have crazy amounts of DVD's. And I am replacing a lot of those with the blu ray version, they are cheap but still almost feel like a waste.
Originally Posted by newfmp3
I would suggest that anyone with a good Plasma, F8500, last of the Panasonic's, Pioneer etc hold on to them for another year or so. Having had 3-4 Panasonics myself, and just moved my F8500 to my bedroom and put in a C8, I'm not blown away with the upgrade. Feed it 4k, HDR, and it's impressive, no doubt. Some 4k stuff is stunning, even youtube, but it's really limited material but it is getting better which is what I was banking on. Scaling isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be, 1080p looks quite good, 720 not so much, but it's not horrible but Plasma was clearly better at dvd/720/1080i and most certainly - motion. I'm also not blown away with brightness. I thought the C8 would be a noticeable upgrade over the F8500 for brightness, but once I calibrated everything ( not a pro calibrator, just basic settings ) unless you put the OLED in 100 OLED mode/85 contrast etc, which to me is only asking for burn in, it's not brighter. It can be, but I could turn the F8500 to be blinding too if I want everything over exposed. Granted, the F8500 was the brightest plasma in its day, and it till this day has a fantastic picture with everything I toss at it. I just spent an hour watching it in bed and after looking at the C8 every day for over a month I was like, darn, this still looks really good. Certainly no macroblocking or gal gadot syndrome lol. Toss in the panel lottery on any LCD/ OLED right now.....my advice, wait. It is pathetic that any TV of this price range isn't anything but perfect.
Do not buy anything if you have a good plasma. It's not worth it. 4k is a bit of a joke right now. Honestly, 4k Netflix doesn't look that much better than 1080p Netflix on my plasma and I'm 9 feet away from my 65". Yes it looks "better" but 3 or 4 grand better, nah. Wait. I had to redo my TV wall for the woman, install some barn wood stuff for her which meant run new wires, so I said if I got to do these reno's anyways I might as well toss a new TV there because if the plasma died, running cables later would have been a PITA. I game, have PC on it, lots of movies etc. It's used for everything, so far, not blown away, more of a sideways upgrade to me. I know I'm flip flopping on saying yes its awesome, no it isn't, but that's exactly how I feel about the new C8 compared to my F8500. I'm no Samsung fan, but they did something right with that Plasma and only that plasma because I hated the other Samsung Plasma's, and the last Panasonics were fantastic - I just couldn't find any left when they announced "THE END" so I grabbed the then new F8500 so I wouldn't be stuck with a LCD if my Panasonic died. I did not get any time to see a Q9fn, Q8fn yes, hated it, but would have liked to have seen a Q9fn in person. But, their forums are full of issues as well, again, panel lottery, just not worth it.
Originally Posted by GregF2
I agree, those post always give me pause too. I wish networks would start rolling out 4k network tv for at least sports and their popular shows, as that would get me more excited about. It seems to be taking much longer than HD did.
I do agree that OLED's definitely have better color, brighter and better blacks, but still on the fence upgrading from my Kuro. My Kuro is still very good and normal tv viewing, especially sports. If I upgraded today, it would only be for the Sony A9F, but will wait and see what CES brings.
Originally Posted by ferky1
Just wanted to update this thread, having been a Sony 65 A8F owner for almost a month now. In short, I am very happy with my decision to replace the Pioneer Kuro plasma with the Sony OLED.
The OLED is superior in virtually every way. Of course 4k/HDR content is significantly better on the OLED, but most of my viewing is 1080i/720p cable/OTA, and more sports than movies. Happy to report that the improvement is noticeable. There isn't as drastic an improvement as with 4k/HDR content, but it is absolutely better than the old plasma, and I have no motion issues. Not one time have I watched 4k/HDR/1080/720/OTA content and thought 'jeez, the plasma did this better.' As for brightness, maybe it's because I'm coming from plasma, but I cannot figure out how people can say that the Sony isn't bright enough. I initially tried the rtings.com recommended settings and I thought my eyeballs were burning. TOO BRIGHT. Maybe people coming from LCD have a different baseline, but brightness and color are terrific.
The one negative I have won't affect most people. I sometimes will watch a random movie or show on a non-HD cable channel. With the Kuro, I knew it wasn't HD and didn't look great, but the Kuro upscaler did a great job and allowed me to forget the mediocre quality and enjoy the show. The OLED was just not made to handle the low quality stuff and it is unwatchable. Not a huge sacrifice to give up the non-HD stuff, but every once in awhile I'll see a random movie on the xfinity guide, turn it on and immediately move on when I see the picture.
Anyway, count me as one very happy plasma fan-boy who took the plunge and went OLED.
Originally Posted by JazzGuyy
I am in agreement. I just replaced my 60" Pioneer Kuro (151FD) with a 65" LG C8. I find it the equal of or superior to the Pioneer in every way. It seems about equal in upscaling performance and motion (at least to my eyes) and is clearly superior in black level, brightness and color palette and quality. This isn't just with 4K material (from either my Oppo 203 or Netflix/Amazon Prime streaming). Even DVDs look about the same. I also lost the DSE that was sometimes visible on the Pioneer. I consider the OLED an overall and definite step up. It also cost about half of what the Pioneer cost 10 years earlier. If you factor in 10 years of inflation, the price differential is even greater.
This is the boat I am in, my Sammy Plasma has been great on everything except my entertainment center for quite a few years. I ended up buying it off of someone who did not have the base so had to mount it hanging down off of the bridge that runs across the two entertainment center stacks. Everyone who has seen it thinks it looks super cool, except now the weight of the plasma is slightly bending the bridge. So I am waiting to come home one day to the plasma on the ground. Which has made me think of upgrading especially since I upgraded from my Denon AVR-987 up to a 4300.
But when doing the TV I want to do the same as I did with the receiver, get a great deal on something that isn't much change between a new model but pay 1/3 of the price. I have just started thinking about going with a new TV, I know when I was selling TV's at Circuit City the OLED was just starting to get rolling into the super high end so I am glad to see it coming closer to getting into its own. Now I am thinking of waiting a bit until at least the new models come in to get a clearance model or possibly waiting the year or 2 like also recommended. I think I literally jumped back and forth between the ideas 4 times throughout this thread.