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So are we thinking the E9's only real difference to the C9 is likely to be sound quality? Was that the case with the E8 vs C8 series?

I have an E6 where the differences were a bit more obvious between the models and I've been a bit out of the loop. I also have dedicated sound so the on board audio is pointless to me.

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C9 does look nicer than C8 overall. But to my eyes, B9 actually looks nicer overall. Since it's also getting A9 Gen 2, I am not even sure whether C9 is better than B9 at all this year.

How are you guys seeing detailed pictures of these to make that decision?

Or are you just talking about the stands?

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We're in the same boat. Was about to pick my new tv today to replace my 55" B6. Will see how this compares to AF9 and yes, hope price on the 77" goes down.
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So are we thinking the E9's only real difference to the C9 is likely to be sound quality? Was that the case with the E8 vs C8 series?

I have an E6 where the differences were a bit more obvious between the models and I've been a bit out of the loop. I also have dedicated sound so the on board audio is pointless to me.
Yup, E8 had 4.2 channel 60W speakers as opposed to 2.2 channel 40W speakers on B8 and C8.

For the price difference ($500 vs. C-series and $700 vs. B-series), you can get a very competent soundbar that would sound much better. And I personally find E-series glass "chin" to be kinda ugly.
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Yup, E8 had 4.2 channel 60W speakers as opposed to 2.2 channel 40W speakers on B8 and C8.

For the price difference ($500 vs. C-series and $700 vs. B-series), you can get a very competent soundbar that would sound much better. And I personally find E-series glass "chin" to be kinda ugly.
E9 looks amazing. C8 was an ugly tv and apparently LG retained the C8 look in 77" C9.
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There are still basically no HDMI v2.1 audio receivers, though, right? Do any here have an eArc audio receiver?


Or are people here just not that bothered about not having Dolby Atmos audio?


Or are the people looking at buying soon only interested in PC gaming, where Atmos isn't prevalent anyway....?


I'm excited for what this set could mean for my HTPC and Xbox One X, but I need an Atmos audio solution for movies, too.
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But you are correct, the 2018 65C8P launched at $3500: https://www.cnet.com/news/lg-sets-lo...tarts-at-3000/



So it's unlikely to start at an MSRP of $4500 - perhaps that will be the starting MSRP of the 65W9P (which started at $7000 last year ).



Samsung's MSRP price for their flagship 4K QLED is likely to be the more relevant ceiling for the 65C9P...



And the same will probably apply to the W77 (which started at $15,000 last year ) and may come closer to the $7000 launch price of Samsung's 75" 8K QLED/LCD this year...



77C8P started at $9000 last year but I doubt it's going to start that high for the 77C9P - parity with Samsung's 75" 4K QLED/LCD makes more sense.


So the C8 shipped the week of March 19, 2018.
Wonder if we will see the C9 on the same schedule (I hope)? I have a feeling if it does we won’t see many of the HDMI 2.1 features out of the box but I’m okay with that.


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Well, this is kind of a game changer if we talk about the economics of DIY calibration.
LG is definitely on a path to almost putting professional calibrators out of a job.

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Kind of disappointed in the VRR. Wish it went down to 40 or 48Hz, or supported LFC (Low Framerate Compensation). Would love to have tear-free Xbox One X 4K gaming when the frame rate dips below 60FPS.
I know the Samsungs do 48hz at 4K. Do we have confirmation on the LG specs?
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I know the Samsungs do 48hz at 4K. Do we have confirmation on the LG specs?


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There are still basically no HDMI v2.1 audio receivers, though, right? Do any here have an eArc audio receiver?


Or are people here just not that bothered about not having Dolby Atmos audio?


Or are the people looking at buying soon only interested in PC gaming, where Atmos isn't prevalent anyway....?


I'm excited for what this set could mean for my HTPC and Xbox One X, but I need an Atmos audio solution for movies, too.
Both of my Denon models had eARC firmware updates. The 8500 is also poised to receive a HDMI 2.1 board upgrade this year.
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With regard to the pricing discussion here's some context.

2017 and 2018 Launch Prices:

55" LG C7 - $3,499
65" LG C7 - $4,499
55" LG E7 - $4,499
65" LG E7 - $5,999
65” LG W7 - $7,999
77" LG W7 - $19,999

55" LG C8 - $2,499
65" LG C8 - $3,499
77" LG C8 - $8,999 (new model in 2018)
55" LG E8 - $3,499
65" LG E8 - $4,499
65” LG W8 - $6,999
77" LG W8 - $14,999


I think $2,999 is realistic pricing for the 65" C9.

It will also be interesting to see how much the 77" comes down considering we don't have historical data for the model yet ($7,999? $7,499?). One things to consider is that LG will have two new televisions in the ultra-premium segment with the Z9 and R9. I wonder if that will give them some room to be extra aggressive with 77" C9 pricing and, perhaps, the W9 as well.
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Kind of disappointed in the VRR. Wish it went down to 40 or 48Hz, or supported LFC (Low Framerate Compensation). Would love to have tear-free Xbox One X 4K gaming when the frame rate dips below 60FPS.
Only VRR of 60Hz+ is confirmed? Disappointed as well, I might have thought of upgrading if VRR range went down to 30-40. Although 60+ VRR is also great, 40-60 range is the sweet spot at least for consoles... I doubt even future consoles games will aim for more than 4K native at 60hz, and that itself is 2 years away. However, if you are using this TV with a beat PC, 60-120Hz VRR will be fantastic.
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There are still basically no HDMI v2.1 audio receivers, though, right? Do any here have an eArc audio receiver?


Or are people here just not that bothered about not having Dolby Atmos audio?


Or are the people looking at buying soon only interested in PC gaming, where Atmos isn't prevalent anyway....?


I'm excited for what this set could mean for my HTPC and Xbox One X, but I need an Atmos audio solution for movies, too.
I bought a pretty inexpensive AVR from Sony, the STR-DH790, and it has been updated via firmware to support eARC. There are a few others that support eARC, but no AVR supports HDMI2.1 as of now.
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C9 does look nicer than C8 overall. But to my eyes, B9 actually looks nicer overall. Since it's also getting A9 Gen 2, I am not even sure whether C9 is better than B9 at all this year.
Where did you see that the B9 will get the A9?
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nothing about HDR10+ or IMAX enhanced?

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Where did you see that the B9 will get the A9?

https://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-OLED65B9PUA-oled-4k-tv
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It’s pretty clear looking at pics on C9, it’s not a curved stand any longer but a straight one. Look on the LG site, it’s sort of similar to C7 but smaller and darker in color.
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It’s pretty clear looking at pics on C9, it’s not a curved stand any longer but a straight one. Look on the LG site, it’s sort of similar to C7 but smaller and darker in color.
New design is only for 55" and 65". 77" retains the C8 design.
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Only VRR of 60Hz+ is confirmed? Disappointed as well, I might have thought of upgrading if VRR range went down to 30-40. Although 60+ VRR is also great, 40-60 range is the sweet spot at least for consoles... I doubt even future consoles games will aim for more than 4K native at 60hz, and that itself is 2 years away. However, if you are using this TV with a beat PC, 60-120Hz VRR will be fantastic.


VRR of 60 Hz seems limited especially for consoles. Are we sure about this, where did it say that? Is the C9 rated for 13 ms lag?

Also great C9 / E9 impressions from
John Archer.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc...t-impressions/


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VRR of 60 Hz seems limited especially for consoles. Are we sure about this, where did it say that? Is the C9 rated for 13 ms lag?

Also great C9 / E9 impressions from
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc...t-impressions/


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I haven't seen a confirmation on VRR range. Simply due to movies, I would expect a range of 24-120. Again, I haven't seen anything official regarding the range of refresh rates for VRR.


Those are great first impressions regarding HDR images.
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I have asked this in the thread for my Yamaha RX-A2070 AVR, but considering my AVR is HDMI 2.0 capable, not 2.1, would the C8 play more nicely with it than the upcoming C9?

Or because of backwards compatability it would not matter?

And would the C9 offer a HDMI 2.0 setting like the C8 has a 1.4 setting? (Or some HDMI inputs that are limited to 2.0?)

I ask mainly because I'm keeping the Yamaha 2070 for a very long time (10 years) and want to make sure that the LG OLED I buy is fully compatible with it. And I recently got new speakers all around and sub, so waiting one more year would be great if I don't have to worry about having HDMI issues between TV and AVR.

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I have asked this in the thread for my Yamaha RX-A2070 AVR, but considering my AVR is HDMI 2.0 capable, not 2.1, would the C8 play more nicely with it than the upcoming C9?

Or because of backwards compatability it would not matter?

And would the C9 offer a HDMI 2.0 setting like the C8 has a 1.4 setting? (Or some HDMI inputs that are limited to 2.0?)

I ask mainly because I'm keeping the Yamaha 2070 for a very long time (10 years) and want to make sure that the LG OLED I buy is fully compatible with it. And I recently got new speakers all around and sub, so waiting one more year would be great if I don't have to worry about having HDMI issues between TV and AVR.

Thanks in advance

Any future TV will work with your AVR. Your AVR just won't support the new features that TVs with HDMI 2.1 support such as eARC, VRR, etc. I recently upgraded my receiver which is HDMI 2.0 but does have eARC support. I plan to plug my Xbox One X straight to the TV with uncompressed audio passed to the receiver via eARC.
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I have asked this in the thread for my Yamaha RX-A2070 AVR, but considering my AVR is HDMI 2.0 capable, not 2.1, would the C8 play more nicely with it than the upcoming C9?

Or because of backwards compatability it would not matter?

And would the C9 offer a HDMI 2.0 setting like the C8 has a 1.4 setting? (Or some HDMI inputs that are limited to 2.0?)

I ask mainly because I'm keeping the Yamaha 2070 for a very long time (10 years) and want to make sure that the LG OLED I buy is fully compatible with it. And I recently got new speakers all around and sub, so waiting one more year would be great if I don't have to worry about having HDMI issues between TV and AVR.

Thanks in advance

Any future TV will work with your AVR. Your AVR just won't support the new features that TVs with HDMI 2.1 support such as eARC, VRR, etc. I recently upgraded my receiver which is HDMI 2.0 but does have eARC support. I plan to plug my Xbox One X straight to the TV with uncompressed audio passed to the receiver via eARC.
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nothing about HDR10+ or IMAX enhanced?
Unless Samsung has done same with Dolby Vision (and that may not even be a valid prerequisite), I don't think LG wants to concede defeat to their nemesis.
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Otherwise, the C8 and C9 will look almost identical playing 4k movies, streaming video, and cable/OTA broadcast.
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The panel has had very few changes. The main change is the upgrade to HDMI 2.1 with the new processor. There's a new anti-reflective coating, but if that made significant changes we would be hearing more about it. If it's the same OLED stack with upgraded electronics then the PQ will be very close, just like the last two years were minor upgrades to PQ.

I suggest you read Forbes initial review of the new C9 -

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc.../#2518eaac432d
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Imax enhanced is the worst marketing fluff I've seen in home theater (and that's saying a lot). But it's something LG can easily do in a firmware update as long as they meet Imax's "stringent" standards.

My Denon got a firmware update for Imax but I'll be damned if I know what it is supposed to do for me.
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I suggest you read Forbes initial review of the new C9 -

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc.../#2518eaac432d


Looks like better HDR performance and color volume as well!


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