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So the C8 shipped the week of March 19, 2018.
Wonder if we will see the C9 on the same schedule (I hope)? I have a feeling if it does we won’t see many of the HDMI 2.1 features out of the box but I’m okay with that.
Yep, about the same, thats a ways away
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I have asked this in the thread for my Yamaha RX-A2070 AVR, but considering my AVR is HDMI 2.0 capable, not 2.1, would the C8 play more nicely with it than the upcoming C9?

Or because of backwards compatability it would not matter?

And would the C9 offer a HDMI 2.0 setting like the C8 has a 1.4 setting? (Or some HDMI inputs that are limited to 2.0?)

I ask mainly because I'm keeping the Yamaha 2070 for a very long time (10 years) and want to make sure that the LG OLED I buy is fully compatible with it. And I recently got new speakers all around and sub, so waiting one more year would be great if I don't have to worry about having HDMI issues between TV and AVR.

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I wonder if this will be released, I remember the TV they showed that can curve with one click of a button, that never hit the market.
The R9 is announced for release this year.
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VRR of 60 Hz seems limited especially for consoles. Are we sure about this, where did it say that? Is the C9 rated for 13 ms lag?

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Seems ABL has been further relaxed (possibly including higher peak levels):

"Perhaps even more exciting, though, is the extent to which the second generation of LG’s Alpha 9 processor, together with a new database-driven image analysis system, has enabled LG to deliver a higher average brightness ‘floor’ with HDR content. This means that pretty much every frame of an HDR source looks brighter than it ever has before on an LG OLED screen. Or any other OLED screen come to that.

Even better, so far as I was able to tell from my admittedly limited time with the new 9 series TVs, they’re able to hold all this extra brightness on screen for considerably longer than last year’s models before any dimming kicks in."

Without viewing fields with the lights off, need to take this second observation with a grain of salt, but promising nonetheless:

"More good news finds noise greatly reduced in dark scenes, at the same time that colors look noticeably richer and more natural in bright parts of HDR images."
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There are still basically no HDMI v2.1 audio receivers, though, right? Do any here have an eArc audio receiver?


Or are people here just not that bothered about not having Dolby Atmos audio?


Or are the people looking at buying soon only interested in PC gaming, where Atmos isn't prevalent anyway....?


I'm excited for what this set could mean for my HTPC and Xbox One X, but I need an Atmos audio solution for movies, too.
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The R9 is announced for release this year.
I understand, but sometimes things just do not make it to the market place for what ever reason even though they are supposed to come out, I have seen it happen time and time again.

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I understand, but sometimes things just do not make it to the market place for what ever reason even though they are supposed to come out, I have seen it happen time and time again.
But never after pricing has been released and almost never after a formal product code has been released...
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but never after pricing has been released and almost never after a formal product code has been released...
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Are the SM8X & SM9X the successor to the SK8000 & SK9000?

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Anyone find any videos or articles today where someone looked at the back of the new OLED sets and/or got full confirmation that all the ports on the OLED panels are indeed HDMI 2.1 - and not just one? I know there was confirmation from LG a few days ago, but they've misspoken in the past.

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Why doesn't LG have an 88" 4K OLED? 8K just adds to the cost and is really not needed. LG? 88" 4K OLED? Where is it? ...and make the price reasonable...haha
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Kind of disappointed in the VRR. Wish it went down to 40 or 48Hz, or supported LFC (Low Framerate Compensation). Would love to have tear-free Xbox One X 4K gaming when the frame rate dips below 60FPS.
This. I don't know if it's true that it applies only in the 60-120Hz range but, if true, it's a serious let down for console gamers. For this generation (Xbox One X) and the next one too. I don't think next gen Xbox/PlayStation will be powerful enough for 60-120 fps gaming. They will end up catering to the usual 30-60fps crowd because the grand majority of gamers won't have a 120Hz capable screen. They will target better graphics at slow(er) frame rates. Not having VRR for the 30-60Hz range would make the feature useless for them.
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Well I did say almost never .
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Well I did say almost never .
yeah. I've got more faith in the R9 launching than I ever had in the Q9S. That one always seemed a little on the beta side. This one looks like a finished product.
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Are the SM8X & SM9X the successor to the SK8000 & SK9000?
Yes that looks to be the case. I guess we will have to see contrast/dimming performance to tell whether the SM9 series is more of a successor to the SK9000 or SK9500, but given LG's retail channel struggles on the SK9500 and the difficulty of selling a high dollar IPS LCD, I would assume the 9000 unless they've made serious cost savings on the backlighting side, or serious improvements to the IPS panels (I did see some info on them developing "u-ips" panels, but I don't know whether these were already in use last year or will ever be put into a consumer set). Then there's the SM99 which is only 75" and 8K, and doesn't have an equivalent in the current line.
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I gotta tell you for what my Dad paid for the SK9000, I was VERY impressed. So that's why I'm interested. Thanks. I personally have yet to take the 4K plunge.

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Kind of disappointed in the VRR. Wish it went down to 40 or 48Hz, or supported LFC (Low Framerate Compensation). Would love to have tear-free Xbox One X 4K gaming when the frame rate dips below 60FPS.
Have we gotten confirmation on the VRR range for these new screens? I would expect 30 to Max as the range.
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Have we gotten confirmation on the VRR range for these new screens? I would expect 30 to Max as the range.
That was my expectation too, as 60-120Hz makes it totally useless for present and (most likely) future consoles.

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That was my expectation too, as 60-120Hz makes it totally useless for present and (most likely) future consoles.
What is the limitation, why can't they make it 30fps and above and why did they think 60 fps and above mattered? Just as you said, anything being played at 4k isn't going to be 60fps. The Scarlett line will even have trouble getting that high. We'll see.
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8K in general to most people is pointless, I bet about 1% of the humans would benefit from it and use it. It is coming though like it or not
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Pannasonic claims to have a custom OLED panel. Perhaps the Phillips was a custom panel as well. This really makes the C8 vs C9 panel differences more open than just the new Phillips panel.

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Anyone find any videos or articles today where someone looked at the back of the new OLED sets and/or got full confirmation that all the ports on the OLED panels are indeed HDMI 2.1 - and not just one? I know there was confirmation from LG a few days ago, but they've misspoken in the past.
My C8 doesn't have any version numbers written on it so looking at the back won't confirm anything. It seems like a safe bet that it will be all ports.

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Why doesn't LG have an 88" 4K OLED? 8K just adds to the cost and is really not needed. LG? 88" 4K OLED? Where is it? ...and make the price reasonable...haha
Anything above 70" is going to be 8K from now on for all manufacturers. That's the only way they can justify it.

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Pannasonic claims to have a custom OLED panel. Perhaps the Phillips was a custom panel as well. This really makes the C8 vs C9 panel differences more open than just the new Phillips panel.

https://youtu.be/hJnmw4jGpHQ
"Custom" can mean anything they want I guess if you add your own hardware and software to it. Sony can say they have a custom OLED panel too. But in the end they are all the same panel made by LG.

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Having read what's currently available online, it seems that LG is the only one sporting HDMI 2.1 on their 4K OLED TVs. Have I understood correctly?
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Pannasonic claims to have a custom OLED panel. Perhaps the Phillips was a custom panel as well. This really makes the C8 vs C9 panel differences more open than just the new Phillips panel.

https://youtu.be/hJnmw4jGpHQ
Talk is (exceedingly) cheap - I'll believe they have a custom panel when somebody proves it...

In the meantime, the only differentiation he mentioned was '30% higher APL' (which would presumably mean ~200cd/m2 average before ABL kicks-in.

We don't yet know what changes to ABL the LG 2019 WOLEDs are going to deliver, but since ABL translates to:

-peak power-handling designed into the TV itself
-agibg rate and more importantly risk of burn-in developing from static content

I can easily believe that LG allows their customers to develope their own ABL based on their own requirements.

But custom WOLED panel? Exceedingly unlikely...
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Having read what's currently available online, it seems that LG is the only one sporting HDMI 2.1 on their 4K OLED TVs. Have I understood correctly?
It seems that way. The Panasonic doesn't have it (and they don't sell in the US). And Sony only announced HDMI 2.1 on some of their LCDs.


It was only a few weeks ago that we were being told there was no chance any TV at CES would have HDMI 2.1. LG definitely caught everyone off guard.
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Been using C6P as my Monitor for 3 years, time to get new monitor with VRR and Nvidia just announced FreSync support, this 55 inch LG C9 will be great as PC monitor with VRR and HDMI 2.1 so next year when 3080Ti comes out with HDMI 2.1 ill get auto-Upgrade for now 2080Ti will do fine
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It seems that way. The Panasonic doesn't have it (and they don't sell in the US). And Sony only announced HDMI 2.1 on some of their LCDs.


It was only a few weeks ago that we were being told there was no chance any TV at CES would have HDMI 2.1. LG definitely caught everyone off guard.
well not quite everyone https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...ineup-ces.html
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