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If you review the thread history, CP may have only been referribg to the B9-Series...

The C9 is already available in Korea and I believe we'll see it here in the US before the end of the month...
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Agreed, and hopefully the new “AI processing” database at least helps upscaling. Motion we’ll see...
I would say more specifically the gradient banding function works better on the Sony. At least LG is parsing it out as a stand alone feature. Agree about motion.

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I would say more specifically the gradient banding function works better on the Sony. At least LG is parsing it out as a stand alone feature. Agree about motion.
Im also hoping for better color volume. According to Rtings the the A9F has about 10% greater color volume than the C8. Hoping LG will match or do better.
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Yeah I still hope the gen2 with ai technology can get upscaling of cable better. Yeah I know you get what get with lower resolution, but sony cleans it up so much better.
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Shadow detail is very important to me and that is where LG falters vs. A9F or Panasonic OLEDs. I recently purchased an A9F but curious about the new LG.

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Shadow detail is very important to me and that is where LG falters vs. A9F or Panasonic OLEDs. I recently purchased an A9F but curious about the new LG.
I think on shadow Details LG has the upperhand against Sony, because Sony Focus on gamma 2.4
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I think on shadow Details LG has the upperhand against Sony, because Sony Focus on gamma 2.4
But I'm not able to see details in "black" scenes as I'm able to in Sony A9F. Let me know if this improved in 8 series or 9 series. I recently purchased A9F at an excellent deal and within my return period.
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WOLED is White OLED (LG's specific OLED variant).

10.5G is 10.5-generation motherglass, optimized for 65" (8-per-sheet) and 75" (6-per-sheet) production.

Today's WOLED production is on 8.5G motherglass, which is optimized for 55" (6-up) and 48/49" (8-up) but is verry innefficient for production of 65" ;3-up) and 77" (2-up) WOLED panels...
Thank you. So I'm assuming even though they are making this investment now, we probably won't see the pricing impacts because of the 10.5G for another few years?
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Thank you. So I'm assuming even though they are making this investment now, we probably won't see the pricing impacts because of the 10.5G for another few years?
Yeah, P10 won't be ramped up and producing in high-volume until late 2021..
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LG To Unveil 8K, ALPHA 9 Gen 2 Processor & HDMI 2.1 TVs at CES 2019

I just pre-ordered a 65” C9 at a Best Buy Magnolia design center. 1k down payment and I’ll be the first to be shipped. If you’re serious about buying one you might want to do the same.


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I just pre-ordered a 65” C9 at a Best Buy Magnolia design center. 1k down payment and I’ll be the first to be shipped. If you’re serious about buying one you might want to do the same.


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Did they tell you when the embargo is up?


Salesmen didn’t say — I’ll be notified as soon as LG announces. I have a feeling it’s very soon. I received my invoice so it’s all legit.
Although I did hear one salesmen mention $3300 but take that with a grain of salt.


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I just pre-ordered a 65” C9 at a Best Buy Magnolia design center. 1k down payment and I’ll be the first to be shipped. If you’re serious about buying one you might want to do the same.


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Interesting. Maybe I’ll call tomorrow. No point in shipping for me so I’ll get one hopefully before ncaa tourney if they come in next week.
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I just pre-ordered a 65” C9 at a Best Buy Magnolia design center. 1k down payment and I’ll be the first to be shipped. If you’re serious about buying one you might want to do the same.


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Congrats! Sounds as though you should go ahead and start the C9 Owners Thread...
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What’s the Best Buy SKU number? I called magnolia and they said it wasn’t in system yet...
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What’s the Best Buy SKU number? I called magnolia and they said it wasn’t in system yet...
Are you calling a Best Buy with a "Magnolia design center"? I was told only the design centers can take pre orders. In fact, the BB I was in (NYC) had to call anther store to do it. On my invoice states "DEPOSITTAXPROD" Under description is 65C9.
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I hope this year LG catches up in upscaling and motion to sony
I'm planning to buy a 77C9 as my first OLED, but repeated comments of "inferior motion to Sony" have me a little concerned. First off, what exactly is the inferiority?

Beyond that, is this related to the LG engine vs. the Sony engine regardless of screen tech, or is this specific for Sony OLED vs. LG OLED. For example, would the XBR77A1E have better motion that the 77C8, or does this also apply to LCD, so the XBR85X900F has better motion than any LG?

The reason I ask is I am torn between the 77C9 and the XBR85X900F. I saw a head-to-head of the 77C9 to the XBR85X900F playing a 4K Blu-ray of Ready Player One, and didn't notice any issues. The colors and black level of the OLED sold me on waiting for a 77C9.

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I'm planning to buy a 77C9 as my first OLED, but repeated comments of "inferior motion to Sony" have me a little concerned. First off, what exactly is the inferiority?

Beyond that, is this related to the LG engine vs. the Sony engine regardless of screen tech, or is this specific for Sony OLED vs. LG OLED. For example, would the XBR77A1E have better motion that the 77C8, or does this also apply to LCD, so the XBR85X900F has better motion than any LG?

The reason I ask is I am torn between the 77C9 and the XBR85X900F. I saw a head-to-head of the 77C9 to the XBR85X900F playing a 4K Blu-ray of Ready Player One, and didn't notice any issues. The colors and black level of the OLED sold me on waiting for a 77C9.
The motion we are talking about only impacts fast-action sports, not 24Hz Blurays...

The C9 may catch up to or even possibly surpass the motion performance of the X900F due to it's improved BFI delivering 3.5ms MPRT...
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What’s the Best Buy SKU number? I called magnolia and they said it wasn’t in system yet...
Are you calling a Best Buy with a "Magnolia design center"? I was told only the design centers can take pre orders. In fact, the BB I was in (NYC) had to call anther store to do it. On my invoice states "DEPOSITTAXPROD" Under description is 65C9.
Yes sir. Mine in the area has regular magnolia and one is a design center.
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I'm planning to buy a 77C9 as my first OLED, but repeated comments of "inferior motion to Sony" have me a little concerned. First off, what exactly is the inferiority?

Beyond that, is this related to the LG engine vs. the Sony engine regardless of screen tech, or is this specific for Sony OLED vs. LG OLED. For example, would the XBR77A1E have better motion that the 77C8, or does this also apply to LCD, so the XBR85X900F has better motion than any LG?

The reason I ask is I am torn between the 77C9 and the XBR85X900F. I saw a head-to-head of the 77C9 to the XBR85X900F playing a 4K Blu-ray of Ready Player One, and didn't notice any issues. The colors and black level of the OLED sold me on waiting for a 77C9.
The 2018 Sony OLEDs have a better processor than the 2018 LG OLEDs. Thus the claims that the Sony has better upscaling and better motion handling (for fast-action sports). LG has other advantages, however, over the Sony, such as better DataVision handling, so only you can decide which is the better choice for you. The 2019 LGs are not yet available (such as the C9), so nobody can tell you yet whether LG (with an upgraded processor compared with the C8) has caught up with Sony in terms of motion handling. I would wait to see the reviews before making any decision.
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I doubt a 2019 lg oled would be exactly on the level of a sony a9f. Lg oleds are about excellent value, but if you crave that 10% uptick in PQ/motion, you have to spend on a sony (or panasonic).

LG 2019 oleds starting from the C9 and above will have the alpha 9 gen. 2 processor, the biggest area of improvement i expect is in motion, better interpolation and for the first time a 120hz BFI mode. It will also have a separate smooth gradation feature, on 2018's the smooth gradation feature was lumped in with DNR. Though overall i expect a sony a9f with x1 ultimate to have an edge on a 2019 lg apha 9 gen.2 oled. A9f has the pixel contrast booster, which is a very good feature, it boosts the color volume and the highlights in hdr have more punch, a9f was the highest measured color volume on any 4k oled tv so far. I expect lg's 2019 to be more or less the same on gamut and volume coverage as their 2018 models. With smooth gradation too, sony's SBM should do a better cleanup job of banding in highly compressed content. With Interpolation and upscaling, lg might close the gap further but probably the a9f would still have a slight edge on these.

Plus'es on the lg side - Lg's tv led dolby vision profile looks better than the newer dolby vision variant that sony tv's use, so i would again expect DV to look better on lg. And lg will have full hdmi 2.1 ports.
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I doubt a 2019 lg oled would be exactly on the level of a sony a9f. Lg oleds are about excellent value, but if you crave that 10% uptick in PQ/motion, you have to spend on a sony (or panasonic).

LG 2019 oleds starting from the C9 and above will have the alpha 9 gen. 2 processor, the biggest area of improvement i expect is in motion, better interpolation and for the first time a 120hz BFI mode. It will also have a separate smooth gradation feature, on 2018's the smooth gradation feature was lumped in with DNR. Though overall i expect a sony a9f with x1 ultimate to have an edge on a 2019 lg apha 9 gen.2 oled. A9f has the pixel contrast booster, which is a very good feature, it boosts the color volume and the highlights in hdr have more punch, a9f was the highest measured color volume on any 4k oled tv so far. I expect lg's 2019 to be more or less the same on gamut and volume coverage as their 2018 models. With smooth gradation too, sony's SBM should do a better cleanup job of banding in highly compressed content. With Interpolation and upscaling, lg might close the gap further but probably the a9f would still have a slight edge on these.

Plus'es on the lg side - Lg's tv led dolby vision profile looks better than the newer dolby vision variant that sony tv's use, so i would again expect DV to look better on lg. And lg will have full hdmi 2.1 ports.
I wonder why the outstanding color volume of the A9F doesn't get more attention. According to rtings, not only does it have the highest color volume by far among OLEDs, it's among the highest in all TVs. Completely blows a hole through the idea that WOLED loses color saturation at high nits.

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I wonder why the outstanding color volume of the A9F doesn't get more attention. According to rtings, not only does it have the highest color volume by far among OLEDs, it's among the highest in all TVs. Completely blows a hole through the idea that WOLED loses color saturation at high nits.


I came very close to buying the A9F. However the C9 with HDMI 2.1 and 13ms of lag are two main features for me. On paper the C9 should be one of the best displays for gaming. Hopefully LG can close the 10% color volume advantage the on the A9F.
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^You miss out on 2.1 then, it's a tradeoff. too bad the a9g isnt supporting any 2.1 port. i would've considered it, but would probably have to wait for a H model that has same PQ features but with 2.1.
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Do we have the full model number from LG?
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The motion we are talking about only impacts fast-action sports, not 24Hz Blurays...

All these years and I did not know that...
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[QUOTE=fafrd;57731748]The motion we are talking about only impacts fast-action sports, not 24Hz Blurays...

My B6 motion was so bad I got rid of it last fall. It was not just sports, but any camera pan caused judder in the background making it unwatchable. This happened on DirecTV, Amazon and Netflix. Turning on judder control made it watchable, but the artifacts around the objects in the foreground were terrible. When I complained to LG, they told me to buy a new TV. The C7 in my winter home is noticeably better, that's why I'm hoping for a C9 prior to my return to my summer home in mid April.

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The motion we are talking about only impacts fast-action sports, not 24Hz Blurays...

My B6 motion was so bad I got rid of it last fall. It was not just sports, but any camera pan caused judder in the background making it unwatchable. This happened on DirecTV, Amazon and Netflix. Turning on judder control made it watchable, but the artifacts around the objects in the foreground were terrible. When I complained to LG, they told me to buy a new TV. The C7 in my winter home is noticeably better, that's why I'm hoping for a C9 prior to my return to my summer home in mid April.

I can't comment on Direct TV, but the stuttering I often experienced streaming Amazon or Netflix on my 65C6P disappeared when I upgraded to 1Gbps optical fiber internet - what broadband speed do you have?

If you also see similar 'judder' when watching Blurays, then it probably is something with your TV. But if the motion performance is fine with Blueray content, the motion issues you had with your B6 were probably linked to your sources of content rather than anything to do with the TV itself...
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B6 motion handling most definitely affects blu rays. When I first got the TV, one of the first blu rays I watched on it was The Revenant, and the judder was so pronounced on some outdoor camera panning scenes it was basically unwatchable. However, playing with the de-judder setting mostly made it go away. I used a fairly low value (I think 2) to not get artifacts, otherwise you get the soap opera effect, but that was enough to make the problem mostly disappear. Occasionally on a blu-ray or TV show I will still see a slight bit of judder if there is a wide camera pan, but it's not very noticeable.

I don't know if the 2017/2018/2019 models improved their motion interpolation.

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