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Honestly Sony and LG make great TVs and you can’t go wrong either way. It’s a win, win for both owners.
Sorry if this has been posted before.

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“The Sony A9F OLED and the LG C9 are both OLED TVs, and they perform almost identically. The LG C9 is a bit brighter and has slightly less input lag. Although the Sony A9F supports eARC, the LG C9 supports the extra bandwidth of HDMI 2.1 on all four HDMI inputs. Although this doesn't add anything at the moment, once there are HDMI 2.1 sources on the market, this should allow the C9 to accept a 4k @ 120Hz signal, even with a 10 bit, full chroma signal.”


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Don't pay heed to rtings' generalized statements in the compared to other tv's section. simply put these statements are silly. They also say compared to the c8, 'the c9 and the c8 look extremely similar', whereas if you look at the individual sections and measurements , you will see that the c9 does have subtle improvements over the c8. compared to the a9f they say they perform almost identically yet they rate a9f's color volume a 7.9 and c9 a 7.3.
And last year they said in the a9f review, compared to a8f that the a9f is slightly better than a8f, when i demoed the tv's the advantages of the a9f felt more than just slight to me.
What i'm saying is these generalized statements that rtings makes towards the end of their reviews in the compared to other tv's section should be ignored, instead look at their individual sections and the measurements therein, compare those sections and numbers to the tv you're seeking a comparison with, and form your own judgments.
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Not everyone feels like they have to belong to one of the tribes be it Sony or LG. There are folks considering both especially now with the prices being so close. So no you’re not necessarily a troll if you don’t belong to the Sony tribe.

Edit: Ya know what, this isn't labeled as a owners thread, so ya'll say LG as much as you like, I'll wait for that one to start and then we can crackdown on the trolls. This back and forth is 5 years old now.

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Edit: Ya know what, this isn't labeled as a owners thread, so ya'll say LG as much as you like, I'll wait for that one to start and then we can crackdown on the trolls. This back and forth is 5 years old now.
It's still offensive and slanderous in how it's directed at me. If you take the time to read my posts you will see I'm here because I'm seriously considering the Sony A8G (this thread is close enough).

I've provided specs from Sony of both the A9G and A8G
I've provided insight on the 2019 OLED panels from Vincent Teoh's/HDTVtest interview of Danny Tuck/Philips
I've pointed out there will be tweaking of the Ultimate processor for the Sony A9G from Phil Hinton's/AVForums interview of Gavin McCarron/Sony
I've provided a link of a video of close up shots of the A9G

Granted this amounts to only tidbits of info but that's all there is at this time. You say you want to know about the A9G, well here's my hint hint to you, it's probably going to be a whole lot like the A9F sans the form factor and audio.

And yet in an earlier version of your post you have the audacity to state that I should post elsewhere.

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I’d think just as soon as someone gets the very first A9G they will create an official owners thread. That should help some when it comes to things like this.

 

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The change from the lean back A9F to the more conventional stand A9G was enough to sell me if your wall mounting. Any other improvements are just gravy. Looking forward also to hear the difference in the audio setups. Not having 2.1 I could care less. Plus we have a 77" to tempt me.
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A8G has the exact same electronics as the A8F, so the same port limitations. It is an X1 Extreme design. You need the A9F or A9G to get the X1 Ultimate where all 4 ports are 18Gbps bandwidth.
(Possibly answered already) You don't 'need' X1 Ultimate for the new SoC/platform. The X850G with only the X1 4K HDR spec is also on the new platform (and therefore supports eARC as well).
The AG8 will be a similar improvement to the A8F as the A9G will to the A9F: minor tweaks (that as has been mentioned might already be present on the 2018 models via firmware update) nd a 2019 panel.
A9F at least has 4GB RAM, whereas A9G might also be on 2.5GB like the X950G (perhaps they found 4GB was not needed from testing and saved some $$$)
A8G will also not be getting the new remote (X850G is getting the more basic finished model of the new remote)
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(Possibly answered already) You don't 'need' X1 Ultimate for the new SoC/platform. The X850G with only the X1 4K HDR spec is also on the new platform (and therefore supports eARC as well).
The AG8 will be a similar improvement to the A8F as the A9G will to the A9F: minor tweaks (that as has been mentioned might already be present on the 2018 models via firmware update) nd a 2019 panel.
A9F at least has 4GB RAM, whereas A9G might also be on 2.5GB like the X950G (perhaps they found 4GB was not needed from testing and saved some $$$)
A8G will also not be getting the new remote (X850G is getting the more basic finished model of the new remote)

Hmm, I see in the specs you are right. Interesting and a nice thing to see. I guess they tweaked something in the design then to allow that.

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Yep, sounds like you should definitely keep the Kuro. Think of it this way, when you do finally decide to upgrade something more advanced will be out and will make the justification that much better.
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I was in the same boat last year. Still have my 500m from 10 yrs ago. Came very, very close to getting a 65" C8 last November when a local store manager offered it up for $2200 (slow afternoon). However last year money more than tight; every extra dollar spent was coming out of savings. So I went back to enjoying the Pioneer (which I still love).

Flash forward six months and my company was unexpectedly bought and now I get to treat myself to an A9G.

My only advice from this, and take it with a giant grain of salt, is wait until you know you will enjoy it without guilt. Nothing worse than second guessing a giant purchase, especially when the TV's keep getting better and cheaper.
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Another factor is the Pioneer Elite UDP-LX500 is a clear "gateway drug" for me. If I buy one, it increases the likelihood I'll go for a 4K set also. I'm a bit of a completist in that way. I see the 88FD as a BD player that upscales rather than a true 4K player (I may be splitting hairs, but I have to ).

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When did this become a Sony vs LG page. More power to you if you think LG is best and Sony is whatever. That's why we have a LG page.
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Currently I have samsung plasma pf8500. I see the A9G doesnt have 2.1, i plan on getting ps5 and 77 inch version. Is it an upgrade to my plasma, i broke in my plasma in 2013 with i believe some slides i downloaded off this site, do i need to do the same if i get an oled. Also what am i missing without hdmi 2.1 that LG C9 provides. Can 2.1 be added with firmware update. Just find it odd the competition has it but they wont implement it. Looking for any help make purchase.

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Currently I have samsung plasma pf8500. I see the A9G doesnt have 2.1, i plan on getting ps5 and 77 inch version. Is it an upgrade to my plasma, i broke in my plasma in 2013 with i believe some slides i downloaded off this site, do i need to do the same if i get an oled. Also what am i missing without hdmi 2.1 that LG C9 provides. Can 2.1 be added with firmware update. Just find it odd the competition has it but they wont implement it. Looking for any help make purchase.

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Yes, any OLED would be an upgrade to your plasma. And yes, break-in slides are a good idea, especially if you want to have your display professionally calibrated after 100+ hours of use. If you are not going to get it calibrated, you can just watch normal content and skip the slides. The main advantage of HDMI 2.1 on a 4k display is for heavy gamers. Between the lower lag and 2.1, I would go with the C9 if you game a lot. For watching TV/movies/streaming, the A9G has the edge (you don't need 2.1 for regular TV/movie watching).
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Hmm, I see in the specs you are right. Interesting and a nice thing to see. I guess they tweaked something in the design then to allow that.
They said about Panasonic 2019 models not getting/having eARC is down to them still using an older Mediatek processor/SoC. So it seems (for Sony) eARC is simply not supported by the MT5891 and only models with the MT5893 can support eARC. Philips 2019 models should have a new (Mediatek) SoC as well, possibly an even newer model than Sony are using ...

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Yes, any OLED would be an upgrade to your plasma. And yes, break-in slides are a good idea, especially if you want to have your display professionally calibrated after 100+ hours of use. If you are not going to get it calibrated, you can just watch normal content and skip the slides. The main advantage of HDMI 2.1 on a 4k display is for heavy gamers. Between the lower lag and 2.1, I would go with the C9 if you game a lot. For watching TV/movies/streaming, the A9G has the edge (you don't need 2.1 for regular TV/movie watching).
Its about 60/40 movie, tv, streaming, sports. Then gaming. Damn I hate this part of deciding next big purchase. With gaming, I'm more of a God of war, last of us
Gta etc.red dead, 2k. I dont play the call of duties type games.

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So, Best Buy is now saying the 65 AF9 is sold out in SF Bay Area for a 250 mile (live in center - near Oakland).

So that means you would have to drive to Nevada or LA to get one of these.


The closest 55" is in Tracy - so 50 miles away.


Looks like the price drops worked!


They better hurry with the A9G's!
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Currently I have samsung plasma pf8500. I see the A9G doesnt have 2.1, i plan on getting ps5 and 77 inch version. Is it an upgrade to my plasma, i broke in my plasma in 2013 with i believe some slides i downloaded off this site, do i need to do the same if i get an oled. Also what am i missing without hdmi 2.1 that LG C9 provides. Can 2.1 be added with firmware update. Just find it odd the competition has it but they wont implement it. Looking for any help make purchase.

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Sony OLEDs have been the closest things to high end plasmas in terms of picture rendition. A9G would be a gigantic upgrade over the F8500 and motion should be on par as long as you are ok using black frame insertion.

2.1 will only give you VRR. I'm not sure how much that will even matter for PS5.

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So, Best Buy is now saying the 65 AF9 is sold out in SF Bay Area for a 250 mile (live in center - near Oakland).

So that means you would have to drive to Nevada or LA to get one of these.


The closest 55" is in Tracy - so 50 miles away.


Looks like the price drops worked!


They better hurry with the A9G's!
Yep, my contact says there are only two left on the west coast.

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Are they discounting the A8F as well or keeping that on? I’m actually surprised, as the A1E stuck around for awhile, but this before the whole “Master Series” label.

I noticed that Value Electronics, who previously had the earliest arrival date of all retailers that have it listed thus far has removed their 05/06 date and it is now TBD.


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So, Best Buy is now saying the 65 AF9 is sold out in SF Bay Area for a 250 mile (live in center - near Oakland).

So that means you would have to drive to Nevada or LA to get one of these.


The closest 55" is in Tracy - so 50 miles away.


Looks like the price drops worked!


They better hurry with the A9G's!
Out of stock dates are set for early June for select retailers. Currently, anyone would be hard pressed to find them at this time. At least on the West Coast. Many locations and DDCs have stopped receiving new shipments a long time ago.

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Agree, but the guy posting that Sony is "quite behind" because it doesn't support HDMI 2.1 and that everyone should agree that the C9 is superior to an unreleased TV was clearly trolling.
I wasn't trolling , it may seem that way because I am new but I just wanted opinions .
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Its about 60/40 movie, tv, streaming, sports. Then gaming. Damn I hate this part of deciding next big purchase. With gaming, I'm more of a God of war, last of us
Gta etc.red dead, 2k. I dont play the call of duties type games.

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I am having this same dilemma ; so far what I've come up with is LGC9 is future proof for the PS5 but sony A9G is for the here and now .
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Just stopped by Magnolia Video to order my 77” A9G. Although today was supposed to be the day (May 5th) it looks like it will probably be Monday or Tuesday now. Hopefully Sony gives the green light soon because his computer system still shows not available for order. Anyway I was told that me and some other guy are the first ones in line so well see.

 

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Sony OLEDs have been the closest things to high end plasmas in terms of picture rendition. A9G would be a gigantic upgrade over the F8500 and motion should be on par as long as you are ok using black frame insertion.

2.1 will only give you VRR. I'm not sure how much that will even matter for PS5.
What is black frame insertion? A setting? Have a Samsung 8500 and it is starting to give me problems. Thx!

I am reading about it now. Will be interested to see if it will be used for the new sony and how settings will look - net is I see the edges in sports on non plasma TV's. Bothers me and why I am asking.

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I don't know if anybody on here knows about pcrichards , but they have the A9G ready to order . The A9G's aren't at the physical store but they can be ordered and it will ship from the warehouse .
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I don't know if anybody on here knows about pcrichards , but they have the A9G ready to order . The A9G's aren't at the physical store but they can be ordered and it will ship from the warehouse .
I took a look. If I ordered they estimated delivery on 5/22.
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Im just g9nna wait for tv to get into a reviewers hands, maybe rtings, and then go from there. Hopefullt it's soon.

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Just stopped by Magnolia Video to order my 77” A9G. Although today was supposed to be the day (May 5th) it looks like it will probably be Monday or Tuesday now. Hopefully Sony gives the green light soon because his computer system still shows not available for order. Anyway I was told that me and some other guy are the first ones in line so well see.
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Just stopped by Magnolia Video to order my 77” A9G. Although today was supposed to be the day (May 5th) it looks like it will probably be Monday or Tuesday now. Hopefully Sony gives the green light soon because his computer system still shows not available for order. Anyway I was told that me and some other guy are the first ones in line so well see.
June 8 65" and June 15 77" in Japan.
Interesting I’m assuming if that’s true, the delivery date will be about the same for us as well? I was hoping for this month but I suppose it won’t be long now for Magnolia Video to give me a solid delivery date once they can finally place the order. Hopefully by today or tomorrow.

 

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Are they discounting the A8F as well or keeping that on? I’m actually surprised, as the A1E stuck around for awhile, but this before the whole “Master Series” label.

I noticed that Value Electronics, who previously had the earliest arrival date of all retailers that have it listed thus far has removed their 05/06 date and it is now TBD.
Well the A1E stuck around probably because the A8F was not a replacement for it, the A9F was, but there was no 77" version of that, so the A1E was still Sony's only 77" OLED. With the A9G that is finally getting resolved and I imagine by now the A1E is going to be gone. Of course in terms of looks, the A9G might not be considered a match for the A1E or A9F, but oh well.

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