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Surprised to hear this - I thought Sony had really stringent pricing rules with their authorized stores...
They do. I would check that the vendor is a Sony Authorized retailer and find out exactly what their return/warranty policy is before purchasing there.
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They do. I would check that the vendor is a Sony Authorized retailer and find out exactly what their return/warranty policy is before purchasing there.


Companies can give out MSRP, and enforce a MAP (Min Advertised Price), but they are not allowed in the US to restrict a company from selling something for any price they want.


As far as legitimacy, Video Only has been around for decades and is an authorized retailer.


And i really did not mean to turn this into a commercial for them, just happy I got the TV. I actually bought that Toshiba RPTV i mentioned a couple of posts ago from the same store 20 yrs ago...just amazed they are still around considering how electronics stores struggle.
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I will say this. Most of our authorized retailers are expected to have display up and running by no later than June 1. Soon.
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Robert from Value Electronics just posted this on the blu-ray.com forum yesterday:

"Now that we've received our early allocation of 55" and 65" A9G and we've shipped our customer's orders we can start the discussion with owners of Sony's new Master Series OLED TVs.

We'll be posting our findings later this week and our calibrator, John will be fine tuning our showroom A9Gs.

Let the serious games begin!"
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So Value Elec. received their shipment earlier than the larger chain stores in america? Still saying available soon on the sony u.s. site and others.

If we can get someone in with an early impression, that'll be good.

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So Value Elec. received their shipment earlier than the larger chain stores in america? Still saying available soon on the sony u.s. site and others.


If we can get someone in with an early impression, that'll be good.
I am on the 65" list for inspection, break in and calibration. Once I pay the money, I'll start an owners thread if there isn't one. But the whole process (qc, break in and cal) takes about 3 weeks before I would receive it.
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So Value Elec. received their shipment earlier than the larger chain stores in america? Still saying available soon on the sony u.s. site and others.

If we can get someone in with an early impression, that'll be good.
As soon as they come in i'll give you first impressions. Probably Thursday.

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Companies are all about making money. I think that Sony realized the A9F was priced too high when compared to the LG models, so they had to reduce the price on the A9F to become more competitive. Also believe that Sony had to reduce the manufacturing cost, so they came out with the A9G. Just getting rid of the kick stand and replacing it with a small plastic or metal verticle stand while going from 3.1 to a 2.1 speaker system saved them production costs. Other specs were also tweaked to make it seem that that A9G would be a better unit.

Could not decide between the two, but finally went with the A9F. I don't think the tilt will be an issue for me. Time will tell if I made the right decision.
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Is that a really bad reflection on the A9G?
Yes. It's from a video light -- if you look closely, you can see the shaping flaps (aka "barn doors") blocking some of the light from what appears to be a square LED unit.
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Video only is in Washington State. I don’t know if they’re in other states. But beware. They don’t allow returns. Once you buy from them your money stays with them.
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Could not decide between the two, but finally went with the A9F. I don't think the tilt will be an issue for me. Time will tell if I made the right decision.
You could have waited for the rtings and other reviews of the a9g to come in , then made a decision? that's how i am doing it. the a9f is still around for a while and discounted, might be that the last stock could drop some more. if the rtings measurements and perceptual observations dont make it any better at all than the a9f, then i think i would find a9f more appealing as i dont have an issue with tilt, but the a9g is still using the latest 2019 oled panel from lgd as opposed to the 2018 panel on the f, so i think it would be wise to wait out some more weeks to compare the performance.
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Having owned the kickstand model, Ill never buy another one again. It's not "bad", but I want a normal foot. I'm glad the A9G did away with it.

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I have two weeks until delivery, so I could switch if the 9G is that much better than the 9F, but I've found over the years that unless Sony added some revolutionary tech to the 9G the difference between the two units will probably be small and only discernable to the trained eye or through testing equipment. Besides, I didn't like the pictures of the 9G on a stand and preferred the kick base of the 9F. Guess I'm just in the minority in liking the tilt for something different. Think it will be a good match to my Panasonic UB9000 player.
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The A8F has tilt too, it is less about tilt and more about the area you have to place the tv and the potential limits of the kick stand. Other than that, I am just glad they all have a "just a screen" look instead of some large shiny base.

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Video only is in Washington State. I don’t know if they’re in other states. But beware. They don’t allow returns. Once you buy from them your money stays with them.

They are in Washington, Oregon and California. Not many stores in any of them.

As far as return policy, pretty much only if the unit is defective, so yeah, I am taking a risk that I may not like the set...all things considered I think it a relatively low risk. I'll just avoid looking at grey screens.
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As soon as they come in i'll give you first impressions. Probably Thursday.
Any word on the Sony A8G?

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Any word on the Sony A8G?
I believe they are on their way as well.

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You could have waited for the rtings and other reviews of the a9g to come in , then made a decision? that's how i am doing it. the a9f is still around for a while and discounted, might be that the last stock could drop some more. if the rtings measurements and perceptual observations dont make it any better at all than the a9f, then i think i would find a9f more appealing as i dont have an issue with tilt, but the a9g is still using the latest 2019 oled panel from lgd as opposed to the 2018 panel on the f, so i think it would be wise to wait out some more weeks to compare the performance.
I think that’s a wise choice.

Display Daily just released this about 5 days ago and if I’m reading this correctly it looks like the enhanced Pixel Contrast Booster may have gotten even better on the A9G.
https://www.displaydaily.com/article...rives-in-shops

Quote: “Over 8 million self-illuminating pixels are precisely and individually controlled by the Picture Processor X1™ Ultimate. This processor features Object-Based Super Resolution technology, which can detect and analyse individual objects within a scene and intelligently enhance the contrast, detail and colour for remarkable realism. In addition to the processor, the AG9 has the newly enhanced Pixel Contrast Booster for even more colour and contrast in bright areas compared with its predecessor. As a result, the AG9 provides premium picture quality approaching that of a professional-grade monitor, showing images and colours as they truly are, as the creator intended.”

 

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Abt in the Chicago area now shows both the 55” and 65” models as “in stock” on their web site. They both were still “coming soon” earlier this morning.
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I have two weeks until delivery, so I could switch if the 9G is that much better than the 9F, but I've found over the years that unless Sony added some revolutionary tech to the 9G the difference between the two units will probably be small and only discernable to the trained eye or through testing equipment. Besides, I didn't like the pictures of the 9G on a stand and preferred the kick base of the 9F. Guess I'm just in the minority in liking the tilt for something different. Think it will be a good match to my Panasonic UB9000 player.

I faced the same dilemma and I am happy to have purchased the A9F. I won't be looking back.
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Abt in the Chicago area now shows both the 55” and 65” models as “in stock” on their web site. They both were still “coming soon” earlier this morning.

But only available to purchase in store at this time.


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I faced the same dilemma and I am happy to have purchased the A9F. I won't be looking back.
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I have two weeks until delivery, so I could switch if the 9G is that much better than the 9F, but I've found over the years that unless Sony added some revolutionary tech to the 9G the difference between the two units will probably be small and only discernable to the trained eye or through testing equipment. Besides, I didn't like the pictures of the 9G on a stand and preferred the kick base of the 9F. Guess I'm just in the minority in liking the tilt for something different. Think it will be a good match to my Panasonic UB9000 player.
Why take that chance though? Unless you can’t wait for the comparison review or you just don’t care either way it’s quite possible Sony has made some minor improvements over the 9F.

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Quote: “In addition to the processor, the AG9 has the newly enhanced Pixel Contrast Booster for even more colour and contrast in bright areas compared with its predecessor.”

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I really don't think anyone is taking much of a chance at this point. The A9G might be a smidge better than the A9F. Both might be a smidge better, or worse than the C9. But in the end at this point they all have incredible pictures. OLED have been unnaturally gorgeous for 10 years and now the year over year improvements are very incremental if even distinguishable unless the sets are right next to each other.


If someone prefers the kickstand, or wants HDMI 2.1 on the LG, I don't think there much chance they will be disappointed with their choice
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I have two weeks until delivery, so I could switch if the 9G is that much better than the 9F, but I've found over the years that unless Sony added some revolutionary tech to the 9G the difference between the two units will probably be small and only discernable to the trained eye or through testing equipment. Besides, I didn't like the pictures of the 9G on a stand and preferred the kick base of the 9F. Guess I'm just in the minority in liking the tilt for something different. Think it will be a good match to my Panasonic UB9000 player.
The biggest difference is that you can get the 9G in 77". Afaik, Sony has not offered an OLED in that size since the A1?
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I really don't think anyone is taking much of a chance at this point. The A9G might be a smidge better than the A9F. Both might be a smidge better, or worse than the C9.
From the rtings review, it is evident that the c9 is still playing catch up to the 2018 a9f, it's closed the gap this year and some people might say that far as perceptual differences go it's caught up to the a9f, however the a9f (or g) is not 'worse' than the c9, unless you're talking purely as a gaming tv. As a gaming tv, i would choose the c9 over sony or panasonic. As a home theater tv for movie watching, no. The a9f still has an edge in the dynamic tone mapping on hdr10, color volume is a little higher, upscaling and gradient handling works sightly better in low resolution (sub 1080p) content.

Far as improvements go on sony, the a9g and a9f would be rather close, improvements -if any- would be very subtle. Im just waiting to see if sony has relaxed the abl and is able to hit slighty brighter peaks, it is using a newer panel compared to the a9f.

Lg did make some improvements from the c8 to c9 and panasonic is also making definite improvements from the last year's models on the gz2000.

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10 years? Oleds have not been out that long, the first 4k oled models saw a release in 2015.

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I have two weeks until delivery, so I could switch if the 9G is that much better than the 9F, but I've found over the years that unless Sony added some revolutionary tech to the 9G the difference between the two units will probably be small and only discernable to the trained eye or through testing equipment. Besides, I didn't like the pictures of the 9G on a stand and preferred the kick base of the 9F. Guess I'm just in the minority in liking the tilt for something different. Think it will be a good match to my Panasonic UB9000 player.
The biggest difference is that you can get the 9G in 77". Afaik, Sony has not offered an OLED in that size since the A1?
That’s correct, the only 77” OLED is the A1E. That’s also why even if you were considering the 9F it wouldn’t be an option unless you wanted a smaller size.

 

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I really don't think anyone is taking much of a chance at this point. The A9G might be a smidge better than the A9F. Both might be a smidge better, or worse than the C9.
From the rtings review, it is evident that the c9 is still playing catch up to the 2018 a9f, it's closed the gap this year and some people might say that far as perceptual differences go it's caught up to the a9f, however the a9f (or g) is not 'worse' than the c9, unless you're talking purely as a gaming tv. As a gaming tv, i would choose the c9 over sony or panasonic. As a home theater tv for movie watching, no. The a9f still has an edge in the dynamic tone mapping on hdr10, color volume is a little higher, upscaling and gradient handling works sightly better in low resolution (sub 1080p) content.

Far as improvements go on sony, the a9g and a9f would be rather close, improvements -if any- would be very subtle. Im just waiting to see if sony has relaxed the abl and is able to hit slighty brighter peaks, it is using a newer panel compared to the a9f.

Lg did make some improvements from the c8 to c9 and panasonic is also making definite improvements from the last year's models on the gz2000.

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10 years? Oleds have not been out that long, the first 4k oled models saw a release in 2015.
From what we know that’s essentially correct but there are other things to consider as well. For example macro-blocking and flashlighting which isn’t an issue on Sony OLED’s just the LG OLED’s.

To clarify just in case those who don’t know what I’m talking about here, flash lighting in this term relative to LG OLED’s is when the screen randomly gets dark and then bright again. Note: Traditionally “flashlighting” was used to describe LCD’s when the light would sometimes leak out from the corners of the display and appear on the screen. It was a side effect of some edge lit LCD displays.
Macro blocking only on LG OLED displays doesn’t appear to be a thing on Sony OLED displays. That’s when viewing dark scene content usually from poor quality source material you would see the black or dark areas in the picture appear to have blocky square shapes in them.

Additionally there has not been a comparison review yet on how close the new C9 is in comparison to the 9F.

 

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From what we know that’s essentially correct but there are other things to consider as well. For example macro-blocking and flashlighting which isn’t an issue on Sony OLED’s just the LG OLED’s.

To clarify just in case those who don’t know what I’m talking about here, flash lighting in this term relative to LG OLED’s is when the screen randomly gets dark and then bright again. Note: Traditionally “flashlighting” was used to describe LCD’s when the light would sometimes leak out from the corners of the display and appear on the screen. It was a side effect of some edge lit LCD displays.
Macro blocking only on LG OLED displays doesn’t appear to be a thing on Sony OLED displays. That’s when viewing dark scene content usually from poor quality source material you would see the black or dark areas in the picture appear to have blocky square shapes in them.

Additionally there has not been a comparison review yet on how close the new C9 is in comparison to the 9F.
Not true. It's an issue with A9F too.

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The screen getting randomly dark then bright again is not flashlighting, it's called ASBL (automatic static brightness limiter) and it exists on all oleds, it's that some oleds will take longer to trigger it after they detect some static content on screen (like a scoreboard or a game HUD) ,some people might not notice it.
Macroblocking and flashing artifacts are different. In bitrate starved dark scenes in SDR, there have been a lot more complaints of macroblocking and flashing on lg, however that is not to say that these problems cannot trigger on other oled brands. Lg also sells >2:1 than other brands so that is something to factor in.
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From the rtings review, it is evident that the c9 is still playing catch up to the 2018 a9f, it's closed the gap this year and some people might say that far as perceptual differences go it's caught up to the a9f, however the a9f (or g) is not 'worse' than the c9, unless you're talking purely as a gaming tv. As a gaming tv, i would choose the c9 over sony or panasonic. As a home theater tv for movie watching, no. The a9f still has an edge in the dynamic tone mapping on hdr10, color volume is a little higher, upscaling and gradient handling works sightly better in low resolution (sub 1080p) content.

Far as improvements go on sony, the a9g and a9f would be rather close, improvements -if any- would be very subtle. Im just waiting to see if sony has relaxed the abl and is able to hit slighty brighter peaks, it is using a newer panel compared to the a9f.

Lg did make some improvements from the c8 to c9 and panasonic is also making definite improvements from the last year's models on the gz2000.

10 years? Oleds have not been out that long, the first 4k oled models saw a release in 2015.
11" Sony OLED TV in 2007, then 55" 1080p OLED from LG and Samsung in 2013, and 4k OLED from LG in 2015. So yes the first 4k OLED was 2015, but that wasn't the first OLED televisions sold.

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