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The screen getting randomly dark then bright again is not flashlighting, it's called ASBL (automatic static brightness limiter) and it exists on all oleds, it's that some oleds will take longer to trigger it after they detect some static content on screen (like a scoreboard or a game HUD) ,some people might not notice it.
Macroblocking and flashing artifacts are different. In bitrate starved dark scenes in SDR, there have been a lot more complaints of macroblocking and flashing on lg, however that is not to say that these problems cannot trigger on other oled brands. Lg also sells >2:1 than other brands so that is something to factor in.
Very good thank you for that clarification. However like you said “there have been a lot more complaints of macroblocking and flashing on lg”
I myself coming from a 77” A1E have never experienced any of these issues. I only learned about them from the LG threads.

 

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The just above black flashlighting or whatever you want to call it is greatly reduced after the last firmware update on my B8. My reference is the Gravity scene where Sandra Bullock is hurled out into space. Will be one of my comparison scenes when I get the 65A8G.

Just a FYI, hopefully I won't accused of trolling.

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The just above black flashlighting or whatever you want to call it is greatly reduced after the last firmware update on my B8. My reference is the Gravity scene where Sandra Bullock is hurled out into space. Will be one of my comparison scenes when I get the 65A8G.

Just a FYI, hopefully I won't accused of trolling.
i'll troll you over your choices, why do you always look to get the lowest model of whatever brand you are buying, no more penny pinching, get the a9g.
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11" Sony OLED TV in 2007, then 55" 1080p OLED from LG and Samsung in 2013, and 4k OLED from LG in 2015. So yes the first 4k OLED was 2015, but that wasn't the first OLED televisions sold.

Thank you!! I wasn't sure many would get the reference to Sony's teeny tiny wittle set, but even among the giants at CES it was a wonder to behold.

And I have been drooling over the LG's since I saw one in the wild in 2013 - never saw one of the Samsung's though.



However, I will concede that there might be some slight picture quality differences between the different sets...I just doubt anyone will be disappointed with any of them once they are in their home...short of any actual defects that is.
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i'll troll you over your choices, why do you always look to get the lowest model of whatever brand you are buying, no more penny pinching, get the a9g.
Not sure why you are discounting the A8G. The only thing better than the X1E is the X1U. If the A8G has been updated with the newer mediatek chip and has lower input lag than the A1E/A8F, it should be extremely competitive.

Ironically, A8G is also the cheapest 2019 OLED you can buy.

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Not sure why you are discounting the A8G. The only thing better than the X1E is the X1U. If the A8G has been updated with the newer mediatek chip and has lower input lag than the A1E/A8F, it should be extremely competitive.

Ironically, A8G is also the cheapest 2019 OLED you can buy.
No dynamic tone mapping, no pixel contrast booster, two of the features that make a difference.
X1 Xtreme vs X1 Ultimate actually doesn't matter, because on 4k tv's these processors behave almost the same (sony has said as much).

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No dynamic tone mapping, no pixel contrast booster, two of the features that make a difference.
X1 Xtreme vs X1 Ultimate actually doesn't matter, because on 4k tv's these processors behave almost the same (sony has said as much).
I knew about the pixel contrast booster, didn't realize the tone mapping was different between the two

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Just placed my order for the 65-inch A9G through Abt. Delivery is scheduled for Friday. Price was locked at $3798, but since I was also buying a couple other items (one of which was also price locked) they were able to give me a $300 instant gift card savings on the order.
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Abt electronics has an unboxing and settings on YouTube of the A9G. Dont know how to embed video sorry.

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A9G received by Flatpanels: https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1557812584
But they also have a C9 review to do and QR70 so it'll probably take more than a week for the review to appear. Seems a good opportunity to compare C9 with A9G ... (also their peak brightness numbers are usually on the low side compared to other reviews. Something to keep in mind for when the review appears )
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Video confirms it has the same 2 degree lean as the A8F. Looking forward to the reviews.

I also wonder if Sony will update the new picture settings menu to the older models. Looks much nicer.

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Just placed my order for the 65-inch A9G through Abt. Delivery is scheduled for Friday. Price was locked at $3798, but since I was also buying a couple other items (one of which was also price locked) they were able to give me a $300 instant gift card savings on the order.

That's essentially how Video Only handles their prices since they can't advertise low without having others price match.


I'm intentionally not mentioning how much the "gift card" savings was, but there are reasons I didn't order it online
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I knew about the pixel contrast booster, didn't realize the tone mapping was different between the two
Sony has an always on dynamic tone mapping feature with hdr10 content on the a9f (it's not a user selectable menu option like you get on lg) which works in the background to give hdr10 more punch, it can sometime make hdr10 look as good as DV. this feature is not present on the a8f. so the same difference should also be present between the a8g and a9g. secondly the a9g/f has the pixel contrast booster that the a8g wont have. thirdly the a9g/a9f put out higher color volumes in the dci p3 and rec 2020 colorspaces which is also a relevant metric for hdr. fourthly, the mediatek chipset on the a9g/a9f is a better one, this does make some noticeable difference in the speed when using android tv.

If you think these differences are not worth it, you can stick to the lower model, but since the price delta is not massive between the two models and you said you like the a9g's stand, my recommendation would be to go with the a9g.
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Just placed my order for the 65-inch A9G through Abt. Delivery is scheduled for Friday. Price was locked at $3798, but since I was also buying a couple other items (one of which was also price locked) they were able to give me a $300 instant gift card savings on the order.
Congrats man, you are amongst the first guys i have come across on the net who's getting the a9g delivered to his home as soon as friday. You better not play with it all night when it arrives, do come back and give some early impressions.
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I'm considering whether I should go with 77 A9G vs. the 65 E9 that I purchased a couple of weeks ago.

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I'm considering whether I should go with 77 A9G vs. the 65 E9 that I purchased a couple of weeks ago.
After watching the ABT you tube video of Sony a9g unboxing. I can see the a9g looks less premium than the A9f.
Almost as many plastic pieces as a small lego set. I hope the picture improvements are worth the down grade in looks.


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Sony has an always on dynamic tone mapping feature with hdr10 content on the a9f (it's not a user selectable menu option like you get on lg) which works in the background to give hdr10 more punch, it can sometime make hdr10 look as good as DV. this feature is not present on the a8f. so the same difference should also be present between the a8g and a9g. secondly the a9g/f has the pixel contrast booster that the a8g wont have. thirdly the a9g/a9f put out higher color volumes in the dci p3 and rec 2020 colorspaces which is also a relevant metric for hdr. fourthly, the mediatek chipset on the a9g/a9f is a better one, this does make some noticeable difference in the speed when using android tv.

If you think these differences are not worth it, you can stick to the lower model, but since the price delta is not massive between the two models and you said you like the a9g's stand, my recommendation would be to go with the a9g.
I'm not sure we can make the assumption (or at least me) that the A8G will not incorporate some of the features from the A9F/A9G. The A9G is getting updated from a recently released model while the A8G is an update from a model released over a year ago. i.e. it's possible a faster mediatek chip and dynamic tone mapping will be on the A8G. Then again the A8G not getting Sony's new remote control is not a good omen, a remote that's available on their cheaper LCD models.

My OCD issues are steering me towards the A8G in terms of esthetics.

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Very good thank you for that clarification. However like you said “there have been a lot more complaints of macroblocking and flashing on lg”
I myself coming from a 77” A1E have never experienced any of these issues. I only learned about them from the LG threads.
Here is an article that also pinpoints the issue on A9F:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc.../#69ada041235a

Personally I never encountered the issue on my A9F.

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The new bottom pop up menu has an edit feature, you can basically keep the settings that you toggle the most and remove or move back the unnecessary ones that you don't use. This is the first time this settings menu has been introduced on sony tv's, the previous master series tv's (a9f and the z9f lcd) dont have this.
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After watching the ABT you tube video of Sony a9g unboxing. I can see the a9g looks less premium than the A9f.
Almost as many plastic pieces as a small lego set. I hope the picture improvements are worth the down grade in looks.


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Well yes, only the remote has the more premium look, the actual tv itself not so much. Of course they have to resort to using cheaper plastic at the back and a more basic metal stand since they are launching the a9g lower than what the a9f launched for, it's one of the cost cutting measures. Far as picture improvements go, i believe they will be very subtle ones if there are any.
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After watching the ABT you tube video of Sony a9g unboxing. I can see the a9g looks less premium than the A9f.
Almost as many plastic pieces as a small lego set. I hope the picture improvements are worth the down grade in looks.


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Ah, more uneducated posts. My wall really gets upset that it has to look at the back of my A8F instead of my A1E.

Seeing as I own both and you prob don’t, the panels offer a clean look and nice cable management. You are welcome.
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Well yes, only the remote has the more premium look, the actual tv itself not so much. Of course they have to resort to using cheaper plastic at the back and a more basic metal stand since they are launching the a9g lower than what the a9f launched for, it's one of the cost cutting measures. Far as picture improvements go, i believe they will be very subtle ones if there are any.
I got a great deal on a 65 A9f. Have not have it delivered yet. I am waiting for reviews of the a9g first.
I have no problem paying more for the a9g. But there has to be a improvement i can see. A new remote wont cut it.


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Ah, more uneducated posts. My wall really gets upset that it has to look at the back of my A8F instead of my A1E.

Seeing as I own both and you prob don’t, the panels offer a clean look and nice cable management. You are welcome.




Now I kinda want to make a frame for my A9G out of my kids legos....
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I'm not sure we (or at least me) can make the assumption that the A8G will not incorporate some of the features from the A9F/A9G. The A9G is getting updated from a recently released model while the A8G is an update from a model released over a year ago. i.e. it's possible a faster mediatek chip and dynamic tone mapping will be on the A8G. Then again the A8G not getting Sony's new remote control is not a good omen, a remote that's available on their cheaper LCD models.

My OCD issues are steering me towards the A8G in terms of esthetics.
You can then wait for the reviews and comparisons to see. I listed some of the things that would be missing on the a8g, i forgot to list a couple of them. you are not getting eARC on the a8g, only standard ARC while the a9g has eARC. and 1080p 120hz is not a supported resolution on the a8g, if you hook a pc that might be relevant. You could probably make 1080p 120hz work by setting a custom resolution in the graphics card panel, but custom resolutions tend to have stability issues with sony tv's, however 'officially' 1080p 120hz is not supported on the a8g, while it is on the a9g, this is evident from the specs listed on sony's site for each of the models.
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Ah, more uneducated posts. My wall really gets upset that it has to look at the back of my A8F instead of my A1E.

Seeing as I own both and you prob don’t, the panels offer a clean look and nice cable management. You are welcome.
I do not wall my tv in my home theater. I understand wall mounting a9g is better than a9f. So that cheap ass plastic will be seen.
You dont know me. But you **** off with your insults.
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I never wall mount the tv's as i use a projector in the same room, and a retractable PJ screen has to open up on the wall. I do believe that the a9g scores a little less on aesthetics and physical appearance than the a9f, the a9f looks more high end with premium materials. but then again, like i said, it's one of the cost cutting measures to offer you a cheaper launch price than the a9f.
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The new bottom pop up menu has an edit feature, you can basically keep the settings that you toggle the most and remove or move back the unnecessary ones that you don't use. This is the first time this settings menu has been introduced on sony tv's, the previous master series tv's (a9f and the z9f lcd) dont have this.
The menu was first introduced in 950G. Reminiscent of LG’s WebOs.

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Ah, more uneducated posts. My wall really gets upset that it has to look at the back of my A8F instead of my A1E.

Seeing as I own both and you prob don’t, the panels offer a clean look and nice cable management. You are welcome.
I don't see what's uneducated about it. Not everyone wall mounts, or even wants to. I briefly had an A8F before swapping it for the A9F. The upgrade in looks and build quality was very obvious. Once I got it set up on the TV stand it actually made my entire room look better, lol. You just don't see TVs built like the A1E and A9F anymore.

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I never wall mount the tv's as i use a projector in the same room, and a retractable PJ screen has to open up on the wall. I do believe that the a9g scores a little less on aesthetics and physical appearance than the a9f, the a9f looks more high end with premium materials. but then again, like i said, it's one of the cost cutting measures to offer you a cheaper launch price than the a9f.
I agree. I waiting for a9g release and reviews to see if any measurable picture improvement from a9f. Then I can choose to keep the a9f or get
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