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Welp, Vincent from HDTV confirmed that the A9G has HDMI 2.0 and not 2.1
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Welp, Vincent from HDTV confirmed that the A9G has HDMI 2.0 and not 2.1
again please enlighten me what would it really do for 4k? the panel is still 60hz. it can do earc. what would be the benifit?
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again please enlighten me what would it really do for 4k? the panel is still 60hz. it can do earc. what would be the benifit?
Oled panels are natively 120hz.
And as 2019 lg oleds support 120hz BFI, they would have made changes to the TFT so that the tv has an effective refresh rate of 240hz.
whether a9g does 120hz bfi is not known but at 4k over hdmi it won't.

hdmi 2.1 can allow 4k 120hz at full chroma, many pc gamers want that feature.
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Big mistake by Sony and see no reason to purchase the A9G over one of the 2019 LG OLED's now. Too bad...

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Oled panels are natively 120hz.
And as 2019 lg oleds support 120hz BFI, they would have made changes to the TFT so that the tv has an effective refresh rate of 240hz.
whether a9g does 120hz bfi is not known but at 4k over hdmi it won't.

hdmi 2.1 can allow 4k 120hz at full chroma, many pc gamers want that feature.
really thought it was 60hz + BFI . interesting but still doesnt concern me. the amount of gpu horse power one would need to effectively game at 120hz at 4k would be enormously expensive.

while you guys may look at it like a POS because it doesnt have hdmi 2.1 it really doesnt effect my choice personally
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Big mistake by Sony and see no reason to purchase the A9G over one of the 2019 LG OLED's now. Too bad...

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Welp, Vincent from HDTV confirmed that the A9G has HDMI 2.0 and not 2.1
Depending on your needs yes but for me not a deal breaker. I only care about full 2.1 if it’s 8K and even then I don’t care about 8K cause im not looking to upscale 4K. Until there is content yes but there is virtually nothing! If you like Sony OLEDS then 77 inch panel is great but will probably be way up there over 10 grand. As far the Z9G I would get for the future proofing as it is a real 8K tv with full 2.1 but I want it for its 4K PQ and the immersive size but that will break the bank too! I wish it came in a 75 inch panel.

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Depending on your needs yes but for me not a deal breaker. I only care about full 2.1 if it’s 8K and even then I don’t care about 8K cause im not looking to upscale 4K. Until there is content yes but there is virtually nothing! If you like Sony OLEDS then 77 inch panel is great but will probably be way up there over 10 grand. As far the Z9G I would get for the future proofing as it is a real 8K tv with full 2.1 but I want it for its 4K PQ and the immersive size but that will break the bank too! I wish it came in a 75 inch panel.
No, I definitely agree with your assessment. I am simply trying to figure out the true comparison between A9F and A9G. I really don't see a difference at all except for the extra speaker, kickstand and new remote. Other than that, I think that Sony didn't do any type of updates to the TV when it comes to picture quality. I could be wrong, but looking at the site everything is pretty much the same between both TVs. IMO, I think that CES this year was a major let down when it comes to technology. All companies seem to be pushing app services to customers.
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There is probably no actual difference in PQ from the A9F seems like they all have the same ingredients? We won’t know til they are actually out. You want a panel greater than 65 and hate the Kick stand or want slightly upgraded with fake Atmos audio? Then the A9G is your TV! Aside from that the A9Fs will go down in price when Gs hit the stores like A8s. But still weird, they could have just come out with the 77 and been done with it for this year?
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Ok, I'm extremely confused, I just purchased the 65 Sony A9F December 26, and now, they are phasing them out with the A9G? The only difference that I see is the extra speaker, no kickstand which is great because I currently have my tv wall mounted and it was a serious pain putting it up and the potential HDMI 2.1 (which is not confirmed).
No, they have announced the A9G. They have not said when they will start to ship. It might be as early as spring, it might not be until summer. We don't know yet. There is no HDMI 2.1 on the A9G. It likely has the 2019 LG OLED panel that Phillips started using late last year which might allow it to be a bit brighter than he A9F, but we will have to wait and see.

So it seems A9F -> A9G changes are:

New panel (almost certainly)
New stand
Some atmos like audio support
New remote? (Some people certainly hated the old Sony remote)

Not changed:
Chipset
HDMI version
OS
Resolution, etc
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It is has already been reported on one of the video clips by the Sony rep that they will ship sometime in Spring.

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No, they have announced the A9G. They have not said when they will start to ship. It might be as early as spring, it might not be until summer. We don't know yet. There is no HDMI 2.1 on the A9G. It likely has the 2019 LG OLED panel that Phillips started using late last year which might allow it to be a bit brighter than he A9F, but we will have to wait and see.

So it seems A9F -> A9G changes are:

New panel (almost certainly)
New stand
Some atmos like audio support
New remote? (Some people certainly hated the old Sony remote)

Not changed:
Chipset
HDMI version
OS
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Hopefully they didn't gimp DV on it again.

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I do think Sony needs to cool it with the August releases though. Must suck for someone that just bought an A9F.
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No, they have announced the A9G. They have not said when they will start to ship. It might be as early as spring, it might not be until summer. We don't know yet. There is no HDMI 2.1 on the A9G. It likely has the 2019 LG OLED panel that Phillips started using late last year which might allow it to be a bit brighter than he A9F, but we will have to wait and see.

So it seems A9F -> A9G changes are:

New panel (almost certainly)
New stand
Some atmos like audio support
New remote? (Some people certainly hated the old Sony remote)

Not changed:
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Resolution, etc
I would be curious to find out whether the A8G has the same chipset as the A8F (or not). This might make future A8F firmware updates more likely.
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I would be curious to find out whether the A8G has the same chipset as the A8F (or not). This might make future A8F firmware updates more likely.
According to https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1546907558 the A8G is still X1 Extreme like A8F and the A9G is X1 Ultimate like A9F. So the platform should be the same and hence firmware ought to be the same too, just as every X1 Extreme model seems to use the same firmware image so far (even if Sony doesn't always announce them at the same time).

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According to https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1546907558 the A8G is still X1 Extreme like A8F and the A9G is X1 Ultimate like A9F. So the platform should be the same and hence firmware ought to be the same too, just as every X1 Extreme model seems to use the same firmware image so far (even if Sony doesn't always announce them at the same time).
I was under the impression that there is another MediaTek chip that runs Android and other non-image processing tasks, next to the X1 Extreme which is dedicated to image processing. Right or wrong?
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I have to a9f. My is the unicorn of oleds-no panel issues at all. Cleanest panel ever made. I was concerned that Sony
would release something at 2019 ces show. Now I don't see no reason to return my a9f. The lean back is not
a problem, the design is sexy. I like the fact my tv could be a limited production run like a Dodge Challenger Demon.
If you watch youtube videos of the a9g from the ces show. The stand reflects light from the screen. In a dark room
viewing this would be distracting. Also no 2.1 hdmi included. I want hdmi 2.1 for gaming. But no need for my home theater at this point. My new Marantz 7012 receiver and my OPPO 205 don't support 2.1 hdmi anyways.


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I do think Sony needs to cool it with the August releases though. Must suck for someone that just bought an A9F.
Not really I just bought a 55 A9F to replace my 930C I just sold and that’s just place holder until I decide on a large panel tv! The picture is phenomenal and I doubt the PQ will be light years better on the A9G. Maybe it will be a little bit brighter? I do hate the tilt flush to the surface kick stand! I remedied that with an aftermarket table top mount stand.
I also know better than to buy a major or my primary Tv right b4 The announcements at CES! Anyone who has the A9F or even A8F have top notch OLEDs imo. This is also my first OLED. I’m waiting to see what the price is on the 77 A9G or the 85 Z9G? If it’s out of my financial realm, I’ll skip and wait another release cycle! Was really hoping they released a 75 inch Z9G, maybe this August?

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I dont think the a9g will absolutely be the same on the PQ front. From what im seeing in videos, the tv unless the camera exposure in the videos is high, looks brighter than af9/a9f. And this tv will be using a 2019 lg display panel, someone posted info about the 2019 lg display panel, the pixel structure has changed, the red subpixel got larger which could mean better resistance to red burn in and the aperture ratio increased, which could mean higher nits/peak brightness. On top of the new panel, if sony has also relaxed their ABL algorithm, hdr highlights will surely look brighter. With af9 that i demoed last year, there was some noticeable white crush going on with hdr content.

And the stand on this one looks better, even though the tv stands vertical and doesn't have the easel stand, the tv can almost sit right against the surface below, it doesnt look elevated because of a vertical stand in place. And with mounting, you could mount this very close to the wall with the optional wall mount bracket sony will sell for this tv.
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^lol. Are you really judging picture quality based on a video?
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^lol that happens a ton on here!
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^lol that happens a ton on here!
yes but you only get picked on if you say something positive.because you know it cant look that good in person. if its negative like wow look at that blooming.. which might be over exposure of the camara.. everyones agrees and is like dont buy this! its junk
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^lol. Are you really judging picture quality based on a video?
No I am not, would you mind reading the full post in context before replying? I said a camera exposure may make things looks brighter, but this tv is using a 2019 oled panel, the pixel structure of the new panels shows a bigger red subpixel and higher aperture ratio, a higher aperture ratio translates to brighter. On the af9, there was some noticeable white crush going on in hdr. And if sony also toned down their ABL to the same level as the 2018 lg's on their 2019 oled, that in addition to having a 2019 panel with a higher aperture ratio will lead to higher peak brightness levels, at least than the af9. A couple of review sites only measured between 600-700 nits on the af9 on a hdr 10% window. I expect this new oled to combine the good colour volume that af9 had with pixel contrast booster with higher peak brightness levels.
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There is probably no actual difference in PQ from the A9F seems like they all have the same ingredients? We won’t know til they are actually out. You want a panel greater than 65 and hate the Kick stand or want slightly upgraded with fake Atmos audio? Then the A9G is your TV! Aside from that the A9Fs will go down in price when Gs hit the stores like A8s. But still weird, they could have just come out with the 77 and been done with it for this year?
Not sure what Atmos would've done to A9G. The Acoustic Surface sound from my A9F sounds like regular speakers from my B6.
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TechRadar stated September for the A9G.
That doesn’t seem right to me but maybe they want to give the A9F some breathing room.

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TechRadar stated September for the A9G.
That doesn’t seem right to me but maybe they want to give the A9F some breathing room.

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esp being sony said spring
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I think techradar has got it wrong there, i read in one of the ces articles that sony says a spring launch for a9g and z9g.

If in the unlikely case sony were releasing the oled in sep. , then they could not be forigiven for not including hdmi 2.1. Because mostly all tv's next year should have hdmi 2.1, so rleasing a flagship oled a few months before in september without hdmi 2.1 wouldn't make sense.
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It will be Spring. It’s the same thing as last year. The A1E in the fall and then the A8F in the Spring (which was basically a vertical A1E).

A9F was the Fall and the A9G in the Spring. If the patterns are on par, I expect we will get some user reports around April.


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heres where sonys suprise will be .. lg displays made a 65 inch 8k oled as well and told vincent one of there partners will be releasing there version of it in the fall.. so i wouldnt be shocked if the a9g is pretty much the same set with there big boy being the 65 and 88 inch 8ks

im calling it here i bet this is what happens
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there it is "we've done some fine tuning on the x1 ultimate to work THE LATEST PANELS"
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TechRadar stated September for the A9G.
That doesn’t seem right to me but maybe they want to give the A9F some breathing room.

https://www.techradar.com/news/sony-...ming-this-year
I don't think Sony would show the A9G front and center on the product pages on their web sites if they were not going to release them soon. Surely they do not want to steal the focus from their current line-up by products that will not be available for 8 months. That seems like really bad marketing to me. The same applies to Z9G, X95G, and so on.
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