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Posters on Forums in Europe, as well as reviewers, are complaining a lot about stuff like frameskipping and microstutter on all sources mostly on HDR stuff. It was a issue on EZ models, it seems to have gotten worse on FZ models. I can buy a sealed 55FZ800 for 1200 euro from a dealer right now...dispite the motion issues it won the 2018 UK Shootout. The motion especially on clean 24fps sources needs to be fixed.
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^^^ I have yet to see any frameskipping or micro-stutter on any source on my Oled. Maybe I'm not sensitive to it.

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^^^ I have yet to see any frameskipping or micro-stutter on any source on my Oled. Maybe I'm not sensitive to it.
Right. There seems to be also plenty of folks who are fine with Panasonic OLED motion. Still aside from many posters who complain also review sites like Flatpanelshd and hdtvtest are not happy with Panasonic EZ FZ OLED motion.
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Panasonic is moving to a new processor this year, so hopefully with GZ2000 the microstutter would be a non-issue. The microstutter was a genuine issue on the EZ line, FZ line had less of this issue but it was not completely addressed.
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Panasonic is moving to a new processor this year, so hopefully with GZ2000 the microstutter would be a non-issue. The microstutter was a genuine issue on the EZ line, FZ line had less of this issue but it was not completely addressed.
I did some EZ950 (which btw has a higher score on flatpanelshd) and FZ800 reading on a few European Forums as well as reviews. It looks like it is more of a problem on the FZ800. Stuff like hdtvtest and others stating that Blu-ray/UHD Blu-ray motion is no problem on the EZ950 and folks stating that FZ800 has problem with all sources with UHD sources being worst. It is stutter, micro stutter and frameskipping related.
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This issue is also panel specific, every unit wont have this. The FZ800 they had at the shootout did not have any such issue. The one i demoed last year FZ950 only had slight microstutter in slow panning shots, otherwise none.
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This issue is also panel specific, every unit wont have this. The FZ800 they had at the shootout did not have any such issue. The one i demoed last year FZ950 only had slight microstutter in slow panning shots, otherwise none.
Vincent Teoh states in his FZ800 YouTube review EZ950 no 25fps stutter as long as IFC is turned off after a fix. He also states that owners started to see stutter on 24fps material instead. He sees similar issues on the FZ800. The Flatpanelshd guy also states that on the FZ800 IFC needs to be turned off. If you turn it on he advises to stay below 3-4 but there will be occasional stutter. He also saw motion issues on the EZ950. So this looks like a overal problem.
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You can go with the GZ950, it will be the same except the custom oled panel and sound of the GZ2000. It has the new processor hcx pro intelligent and it supports dolby vision, like the GZ2000. I have been told by a dealer that the GZ950 will come in a little cheaper than the lg c9 oled. The GZ2000 will be the most expensive oled this year, but panasonic is doing 4 models to counter lg on pricing, for many people GZ950 would do fine. Apart from the expensive pricing on the GZ2000, it will also have the longest wait, it isnt coming before september according to what i heard. The other GZ models should be available in june or july, though this will vary by territory.
Thanks for the info. I'm in Toronto and have heard September for the GZ2000 as well.
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Just to provide a little background, Panasonic monitors (consumer plasma) were used in many editing suites and color grading rooms, and are well respected by the creators of the content we all watch. Stefan Sonnenfeld is highly respected in the industry as a one of the most sought after colorists and owner of one of the top facilities in LA. While not sold in the US, Filmtools in LA imports and sells the Panasonic monitors to professionals. The fact that he helped on the design of the monitors is a huge deal to pro's and perhaps to end users who want to see the films on the same monitor the filmmakers used to create it. The panasonics stand up well to $30,000 grading monitors, and the fact that they are hand picked panels (and in the GZ2000) has a Panasonic built power supply and cooling might also be a huge deal.

That being said, no current consumer WOLED can be properly calibrated to display HDR. It remains to be seen if the GZ improves on the situation.

I'm planning on buying one of the new 55" monitors from this line for my editing and color grading suite, just not sure if it will be the 2000 or the least expensive, the 950.

Color grading has become extremely sophisticated (often used as "digital relighting") and integral to the look of the film or tv show and the fact that Panasonic consumer monitors can be used in the studio or at home is great all around.

Panasonic takes their color science very seriously. I recently bought two of their "baby" varicam cameras and the images they produce are extremely filmic, (the flesh tones of Sony cameras in the same price range can't compare).
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^^^ I have yet to see any frameskipping or micro-stutter on any source on my Oled. Maybe I'm not sensitive to it.
I was at the store a week or so ago standing in front of a Sony OLED running a demo, noticed micro stutter twice. It is more noticable when you stand in front of the TV.
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I was at the store a week or so ago standing in front of a Sony OLED running a demo, noticed micro stutter twice. It is more noticable when you stand in front of the TV.
Which Sony model? What would be the difference whether you stand or sit in front of it? It really is a non issue for me, I can't see any irregularities such as micro stutter. Are you looking to upgrade what tv do you currently own?

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Which Sony model? What would be the difference whether you stand or sit in front of it? It really is a non issue for me, I can't see any irregularities such as micro stutter. Are you looking to upgrade what tv do you currently own?
Plenty of conversations on micro stutter on forums. Since these are tiny stutters it is less obvious than regular stutter from viewing distance. Folks who are motion sensitive will notice. The Sony on which i noticed the stutter was a tilted 65AF9. I was shocked by how big that thing at the back was.

I was looking at 2018 Panasonic OLED but there were to much complaints about motion in reviews and forums. Now i am looking at the 2018 Sony 55AF8 which should be a excellent TV for Blu-ray movies in the dark (which is what i use TVs for currently, for everything else i use a monitor). I own more TVs but only use a Pioneer KRP 500M currently.
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Sounds like this could be the best yet.
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Sounds like this could be the best yet.
https://youtu.be/srWG2Z-5VwM
Yep, they say it's night and day better than the Sony Oled and the 1st Oled to manage 1,000 nits....it's going to be the reference Oled no doubt, really looking forward to some reviews before buying.
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It's definitely exciting to hear about that but a real shame they aren't doing a 77" and didn't follow LG and do HDMI 2.1. Oh well, perhaps next year they will correct both of these mistakes. For non-gamers and people who don't mind the smaller sizes it sure sounds like the tv will be awesome.
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It's definitely exciting to hear about that but a real shame they aren't doing a 77" and didn't follow LG and do HDMI 2.1. Oh well, perhaps next year they will correct both of these mistakes. For non-gamers and people who don't mind the smaller sizes it sure sounds like the tv will be awesome.
It would be nice but the masses aren’t interested in giant 77” TVs or care for HDMI 2.1 for that matter. I will check these out in stores once they become available.

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Now a days I wouldn't even call a 77" a giant, the giants would be more of the 85" and above since those sizes are becoming more and more common within the LCD tv's.

I'm not even sure if Panasonic confirmed eARC on these tv's which isn't a gaming feature but quickly becoming more of a must have with smart tv's tending to be the norm with the built in streaming apps. So not being able to get the higher resolution audio back to the receiver/SSP is a big miss going into 2020 if they aren't going to have it. I'm pretty sure Sony has it on their OLED's and LG definitely has it.

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Is there a release date for this tv yet?

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End of summer the Panasonic OLEDs will be for sale in Europe. Not shure about the GZ2000 though since those are unfinished panels that will be finished by Panasonic themselves.

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Now a days I wouldn't even call a 77" a giant, the giants would be more of the 85" and above since those sizes are becoming more and more common within the LCD tv's.

I'm not even sure if Panasonic confirmed eARC on these tv's which isn't a gaming feature but quickly becoming more of a must have with smart tv's tending to be the norm with the built in streaming apps. So not being able to get the higher resolution audio back to the receiver/SSP is a big miss going into 2020 if they aren't going to have it. I'm pretty sure Sony has it on their OLED's and LG definitely has it.
Sony has it on A9F and A9G. LG has it on their 2019 line but it seems it doesn't work that well.

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I love and hate this thread!! I need a Panasonic OLED! Does Panasonic have plans to make a 77" panel?

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Update: It appears the new panasonic 2019 gz oleds have begun appearing at stores, at least in the uk. Where i am located in malaysia, it will still be a month or so to demo them. The avforums uk has a panasonic gz owners thread up and running. The gz950 is available there now, the gz2000 is still some ways off from launching, but we can expect the gz950 to give an idea about the gz2000. It has the same new processor as the gz2000, the differences are the custom panel, better sound quality and looks on the gz2000. The custom panel will make some difference to picture quality, but it wont be a solstice and equinox difference.

Here are some things i have been able to find out about the gz950 after reading owner's impressions on avforums uk:

Motion is improved over last year's model. So far no complaints of the infamous microstutter and frame skipping plaguing previous year's panasonic oleds.
Tad brighter than last year's model
New processor and dolby vision
OS is decent but lg's webOS is still better
hdmi 2.0b
Does not support eARC. Among hdmi 2.1 features, it only supports ALLM.
Supports hdr10, hdr10+, dolby vision , HLG out of the box.
Supports Netflix Calibrated Mode like the sony master series oleds. But turning it on makes things darker. It seems to be the exact same implementation as sony.
Has a dynamic tone mapping feature
Great color accuracy out of the box as usual with panasonic oleds, some color banding issues in low resolution compressed content.
No confirmation yet if it supports 1080p120 if connecting a pc. Previous year panasonic oleds did not support it.
Still some uniformity issues just like all oleds regardless of brand
Physical looks are meh, just acceptable but not great.
It is several hundred pounds cheaper than the lg c9 in the uk. Panasonic is doing great with pricing this year, in my country it will be the same price as the lg c9. The gz950 is a steal in the uk if you're not a gamer.
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Local company I have ordered with in the UK have said they will have some GZ2000 stock in the warehouse on the 26th July. 50 units apparently


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One of the AVforum members did attempt a custom resolution 1080p 120Hz input and was unsuccessful on an Nvidia GPU.
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Stores here in sweden will have GZ2000 on 15th. Hope we get reviews soon!
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We need Panasonic OLED in the USA.
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Why is Panasonic not selling OLEDs in the USA again? I forgot the reason. Seems quite a silly decision from Panasonic. There are plenty of folks with money here that will buy them!
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Vincent has received the gz950, unboxing vid on yt, two to three weeks until his gz950 review goes up. And seems like the gz2000 is launching earlier in some terrotories compared to the september timeframe i've been given in my country. So shouldn't be very long before the gz2000 reviews also start appearing online.
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Why is Panasonic not selling OLEDs in the USA again? I forgot the reason. Seems quite a silly decision from Panasonic. There are plenty of folks with money here that will buy them!


According to the Panasonic rep per HDTVTest

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"We've asked: they couldn't compete with the likes of Vizios and TCLs, because US customers generally prioritises screen size (as big a TV for as cheap as possible) over paying more for better picture quality."




Not a valid response as I have not seen any evidence that Mexico(where Panasonic OLEDs are sold) have more priorities on image quality than the U.S. customer base. Not to mention Sony sells high end displays as does others in the U.S.
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