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Opinion Is It Worth The Money for OLED 77 Over a 75 Z9d?

Trying to determine if I should keep the Z9D 75 or spend the extra for the C8 77 OLED. I think they both have a great picture but I do prefer the OLED from what I see in the store, however with real world content things can change. I do about 30% Gaming and 70% movies, very little over the air TV and the 3D on the Z9D doesn't matter to me.

I think the Z9 has about bottomed out in price but not sure how much more the C8 will drop as the C9 is so close to releasing. Many people tell me I won't like the HDR on the OLED as much as the Z9 due to the change in brightness levels but from what I see in the store the C8 looks better then the Z9, however its also about $1500 more then the Z9 and there is no place to see them side by side to do a comparison.
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Tough call - the Z9D is the pinnacle of LCD acheivement, IMO. I am an OLED fan though so Id always choose the OLED.



That being said, you already own the Sony so that makes the decision tougher. The 2 extra inches of screen isnt enough to notice so that doesnt come into play. Movie performance in a dark room still goes to OLED. Gaming is a wash, probably. I dunno..... thats tough man!
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By keep I mean I have a couple more weeks to return it for the OLED, also want to see how much the C9 is over the C8 which should be announced any day. Would be nice to have the HDMI 2.1 for some future proofing.



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Tough call - the Z9D is the pinnacle of LCD acheivement, IMO. I am an OLED fan though so Id always choose the OLED.



That being said, you already own the Sony so that makes the decision tougher. The 2 extra inches of screen isnt enough to notice so that doesnt come into play. Movie performance in a dark room still goes to OLED. Gaming is a wash, probably. I dunno..... thats tough man!
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If value is a concern, I would keep the Sony and use the money you save toward an OLED in a few years. LG is supposedly getting more aggressive on large panel pricing, and top emission panels have the potential to be a big upgrade. And by then there will be more content to take advantage of HDMI 2.1.
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If value is a concern, I would keep the Sony and use the money you save toward an OLED in a few years. LG is supposedly getting more aggressive on large panel pricing, and top emission panels have the potential to be a big upgrade. And by then there will be more content to take advantage of HDMI 2.1.
I think this is good advice since larger OLEDs will be cheaper and better in a few years. You can "limp along" with that Z9D in the meantime. One question, are you watching in a normal room environment or a totally dark theater room? If you're in a normal room with some lights and windows, the Z9D becomes more attractive to keep for now. For a dark theater room, the OLED will be the better choice.
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Personally I would never again own a TV that has even the slightest possibility of burn-in. Ruined a very expensive rear projector from watching A&E and a few other channels with the logo in the bottom right corner. No OLED's for me. I have a Sony 75-X940D and am perfectly happy. At least till the 85s are affordable. LOL
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^Didn't take long for the burn in fear mongerers to arrive, as expected. burn in omg, get a bloomy lcd.
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^Didn't take long for the burn in fear mongerers to arrive, as expected. burn in omg, get a bloomy lcd.
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People in central FL using a rear projector to watch A&E? Or people using an OLED to watch news stations?


2300 hours on my OLED and no burn in. I'm obviously doing something wrong.
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Are you into 3D? That would be a reason to hold on to the Sony, if the 3D works well on it.

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How is the black level and the angle view on the ZD9 compared to a LG C8 or C9? I’m very much in doubt at the moment.

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Are you into 3D? That would be a reason to hold on to the Sony, if the 3D works well on it.
The 3D doesn't matter as I have no 3D movies.
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I think this is good advice since larger OLEDs will be cheaper and better in a few years. You can "limp along" with that Z9D in the meantime. One question, are you watching in a normal room environment or a totally dark theater room? If you're in a normal room with some lights and windows, the Z9D becomes more attractive to keep for now. For a dark theater room, the OLED will be the better choice.
All dark room viewing for the most part.
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Trying to determine if I should keep the Z9D 75 or spend the extra for the C8 77 OLED. I think they both have a great picture but I do prefer the OLED from what I see in the store, however with real world content things can change. I do about 30% Gaming and 70% movies (...)
The Z9D is close enough to OLED performance that I'd consider holding out for a while. It's a good TV and unless you are literally feeling the problem with black levels, it's probably not worth upgrading. Games specifically can benefit from LCD.

The C8 is better, but it's give and take, given your usage distribution, and not enough of a straight upgrade. The C9, we'll see. Realistically I'd even consider giving the Z9D a couple more years to get an 80"-ish top emission OLED in. Or at least just top emission, or just 80"-ish, or maybe 75" 8K.

I switched to OLED when I realized I just couldn't take the gray haze anymore. It was unnoticeable coming from plasma to high-end FALD, but gradually became more and more of a concern for me. If you notice the haze, there's no question what to do; and if you don't, there's no problem to solve.
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The Z9D is close enough to OLED performance that I'd consider holding out for a while. It's a good TV and unless you are literally feeling the problem with black levels, it's probably not worth upgrading. Games specifically can benefit from LCD.

The C8 is better, but it's give and take, given your usage distribution, and not enough of a straight upgrade. The C9, we'll see. Realistically I'd even consider giving the Z9D a couple more years to get an 80"-ish top emission OLED in. Or at least just top emission, or just 80"-ish, or maybe 75" 8K.

I switched to OLED when I realized I just couldn't take the gray haze anymore. It was unnoticeable coming from plasma to high-end FALD, but gradually became more and more of a concern for me. If you notice the haze, there's no question what to do; and if you don't, there's no problem to solve.


I owned a Z9d they are really not close in a dark room imo


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All dark room viewing for the most part.
Then an OLED will be better, but whether it's worth the extra cash only you can say.
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Then an OLED will be better, but whether it's worth the extra cash only you can say.
For movies I have no doubt, even for HDR gaming is the OLED the best ? I have seen gaming on the C7 but not on the C8, some people complain OLED is not bright enough for gaming. I did not find that to be the case on the C7 and the specs show the C8 is slightly brighter. I am probably overanalyzing this but I know once I send the Z9 back I can't get another one since they are now out of stock on it so once I make the decision there is really no going back.
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All dark room viewing for the most part.
As others have stated, since you already have te Z9D, I'd use the time you have to watch challanging content andcsee if it measures up in your dark-room viewing environment.

If it does, hang onto it. If your not satisfied, probably worth the switch to WOLED.

Here are the things I noticed on my Vizio P70 FALD LED/LCD that eventually caused me to return it for an OLED:

1/ backlight dimming anomolies - anytime I became aware of the backlight 'doing its thing' I found this very distracting/annoying. There is never any if this on WOLED.

2/ visible letterbox bars - another distracting and objectionable defect to my eyes. Gravity was a good piece of content to test this. WOLED delivers a true 'floating image' in a dark room and that is what I want.

3/ Halo/bloom - this is harder to spot unless viewing side-by-side, but when it is so obvious it is clear all on it's own, it is annoying. TRON II is a good piece of content to expose halo/bloom.

If you don't see any noticable PQ deficiencies with the Z9D, stick with it. Every year you can live with it will bring you more WOLED screen real-estate for the same $$$s (as well as other improvements).
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I owned a Z9d they are really not close in a dark room imo
Well, now you're giving me a heart attack because I have one of the last of these Mohicans incoming to offset G6 3D duties! I was hoping for closeness, but then I have to realize a black level of 0.005 fL, which is worse than the venerable Kuro/Viera standard of 0.001, is not exactly competitive with OLED. I guess the 940e is even better here but alas, no 3D.
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That's just like the Z9D, I'm sure (VA pitfall).
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All dark room viewing for the most part.
As an owner of both Z9D and c8, in a dark room go OLED all the way.

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Well, now you're giving me a heart attack because I have one of the last of these Mohicans incoming to offset G6 3D duties! I was hoping for closeness, but then I have to realize a black level of 0.005 fL, which is worse than the venerable Kuro/Viera standard of 0.001, is not exactly competitive with OLED. I guess the 940e is even better here but alas, no 3D.


In all fairness it was the 65”’model , it was the light bleed into the black bars that killed it for me and the good but not great contrast ratio. I preferred the 940e overall but it had light bleed also.


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Well, now you're giving me a heart attack because I have one of the last of these Mohicans incoming to offset G6 3D duties! I was hoping for closeness, but then I have to realize a black level of 0.005 fL, which is worse than the venerable Kuro/Viera standard of 0.001, is not exactly competitive with OLED. I guess the 940e is even better here but alas, no 3D.
I'm hoping you will give us a report of the 3D quality when it comes in. Like you said...last new 3D tv's left on this planet. Are glasses included with it?

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Of course! It would be a ripoff if not (no 3D glasses).
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Thanks for the advice I think I am going to go with the OLED, just waiting on the pricing of the C9 to see if it's worth the cost over the C8. eArc and HDMI 2.1 would be nice to have and really future proof it for quite awhile providing it's not an outrageous premium over the C8.
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Of course! It would be a ripoff if not (no 3D glasses).
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Thanks for the advice I think I am going to go with the OLED, just waiting on the pricing of the C9 to see if it's worth the cost over the C8. eArc and HDMI 2.1 would be nice to have and really future proof it for quite awhile providing it's not an outrageous premium over the C8.
The 77C9 is likely to launch at an MSRP of somewhere between $5500 and $7000.

The 77C8 launched at $9000, dipped to a low of $5800, and is currently selling for $6500.

So it's xceedingly unlikely the 77C9 is going to launch for much more than the 77C8 is currently selling for on discount, and if spending $6000-7000 for a 77" TV fits your budget, sounds like a 77C9 is the better fit for you...

But if spending that much is a problem, come November, the 77C9 is exceedingly likely to dip well under $5000.
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Its thats the true price they would really have to discount the C8 on its way out. I went ahead and setup the Z9D exchange for the C8 but they can't come get it till the 23rd and I will have 45 days after that for exchange/price protection if I want to switch it for the C9.


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The 77C9 is likely to launch at an MSRP of somewhere between $5500 and $7000.

The 77C8 launched at $9000, dipped to a low of $5800, and is currently selling for $6500.

So it's xceedingly unlikely the 77C9 is going to launch for much more than the 77C8 is currently selling for on discount, and if spending $6000-7000 for a 77" TV fits your budget, sounds like a 77C9 is the better fit for you...

But if spending that much is a problem, come November, the 77C9 is exceedingly likely to dip well under $5000.
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