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Another AVS thread that's gone off the rails. Guess I missed the part in the title that says "Sony vs. LG."
Amazing, innit? Just wait 'til the shootout results get announced...
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Problem with DV is that it's darker than reference. Shadow detail gets crushed, even with advance contrast enhancer turned on. Raising gamma elevates grayscale so that's not really a solution and "DV bright" mode clips highlights. If recent firmware updates corrected this, why hasn't anyone brought it up in any discussion prior to this one?

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This is incredibly wrong. On the North American A9F with post 11/18 firmware, DV Dark equals the post calibrated DV Dark Room on the C8 and DV mode on A1E. It also tracks the EOTF as it should. Stop regurgitating an old Vincent review with a non North American display/firmware. The A8F is a complexity different conversation. Why no one has mentioned this before, who knows, and from my perspective who cares (I’ve talked to John about the improved Sony DV mode on the Sony back in January). I’ve found many things with all of these sets that either no one has yet to figure out or just recently have posted on this forum (i.e. Smooth Gradation should be Off in DV mode on the Sony’s).
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Maybe it will soon switch to oled vs lcd again...
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All I can tell you is I had a calibrated C8 side by side with my A9F playing the same DV content at the same time and for me, I feel changing the Gamma to +1 and putting ACE on Low for the DV Dark PM on the Sony makes the two sets look almost identical. This is after all of the recent updates. I don't know how else you can really do a comparison. If you feel Gamma +1 is too much then set it back to 0 but ACE on Low does help the A9F with the highlights that the LG excels at.
Gamma at +1 brings up the overall brightness of the image but I find that it makes everything "pastier". Again, new updates may have improved it, but if that's the case I'm surprised that it was never mentioned before since this would be big news.

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lol so the shootouts results dont matter but the shootouts are good fun to have. umm okay. though i expect such comebacks on twitter or a YT comments section, not a science forum


Jrref himself, who was part of said shootout, admitted that the results are very subjective. He basically repeated exactly what I said. Lol

My guess is that you won’t go attack him for saying it though.

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There are some people out there that can afford both the 65 Sony and 77 LG. As for the price, GZ950 and GZ1000 are the set to get, unless someone wants a budget 77 OLED than LG is the route to go with.
I think my responses have been quite obvious.
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You are putting words in people's mouths. I did not say shootout results were irrelevant. I just wouldn't choose a set solely based on the results of a shootout. Correct me if I'm wrong but the e6 won the shootout and my opinion wasn't any different back then either. Just like I wouldn't choose a tv based on Vincent's opinion either. I bring up Vincent's Dolby vision finding because that's not a subjective area. DV is darker than reference. Much darker than DV on LG. If you are ok with that, fine. I notice the difference in DV quality much more than I notice the upscaling quality difference with crappy cable channels.

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You probably aren't good at comprehension, in the very first line i said shootouts are a very good reference point, what does reference point mean? it doesn't mean that you pick tv's solely based upon the shootout results. seeing the tv's once in person and comparing for yourself is something i do as well.
Will surely do this year as well comparing a c9 to a9g and gz2000, i will see how much this "they are about equal" claim that gets thrown around by lg fans is true.

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This is incredibly wrong. On the North American A9F with post 11/18 firmware, DV Dark equals the post calibrated DV Dark Room on the C8 and DV mode on A1E. It also tracks the EOTF as it should. Stop regurgitating an old Vincent review with a non North American display/firmware. The A8F is a complexity different conversation. Why no one has mentioned this before, who knows, and from my perspective who cares (I’ve talked to John about the improved Sony DV mode on the Sony back in January). I’ve found many things with all of these sets that either no one has yet to figure out or just recently have posted on this forum (i.e. Smooth Gradation should be Off in DV mode on the Sony’s).
Well if you are right then the a9f forum members either never ran the update or I don't know what. They are still complaining about DV over there similarly to what my complaints were with the a8f and similar to what Vincent's video describes. This is after 11/18. Didn't you once mention that the a8f DV was good but now you say it wasn't good up until a9f on 11/18 ?

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You probably aren't good at comprehension, in the very first line i said shootouts are a very good reference point, what does reference point mean? it doesn't mean that you pick tv's solely based upon the shootout results. seeing the tv's once in person and comparing for yourself is something i do as well.
Will surely do this year as well comparing a c9 to a9g and gz2000, i will see how much this "they are about equal" claim that gets thrown around by lg fans is true.

Lol as you keep mentioning the shootout, remember that last year was Sonys first win. If you dont like what LG fans have to say then leave this thread, in fact read the title of the thread menarini...
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Well if you are right then the a9f forum members either never ran the update or I don't know what.
How many A9F owners have all of these displays in a controlled environment, fully calibrated and side by side to make appropriate comparisons? How many owners simply regurgitate old data similar to what you have done? The “me too” mentality existed well before the current #metoo drama movement of today
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Not once did I trash the Sony. I trashed the DV. If someone trashed the macroblocking on the LG I wouldn't argue either. I'm not denying that Dnice is a professional and knows what he's talking about but this is a very subjective area. I can name you professionals that overall prefer the LG as well. I am also not denying that the a9f may be a better overall tv set than the c8. It's just not better for my needs because I put more weight on DV performance, lower abl and higher brightness.

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Lol as you keep mentioning the shootout, remember that last year was Sonys first win. If you dont like what LG fans have to say then leave this thread, in fact read the title of the thread menarini...
Don't forget the a9f was released 6 months later. A more fair comparison would've been between the e8 and a8f that were both released around the same time.

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I'll snag the 65 inch C9 when the price drops. I might actually break my "new set every year" gimmick until the next gen consoles arrive.

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Don't forget the a9f was released 6 months later. A more fair comparison would've been between the e8 and a8f that were both released around the same time.

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Talk about nitpicking. Those were all 2018 displays using the same 2018 panels.

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^unfortunately the nitpicking started when it became a vs thread instead sticking to the price topic.
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Talk about nitpicking. Those were all 2018 displays using the same 2018 panels.
Wanna talk about nitpicking go talk to the LG forum crashers here who love beating their chest over a narrow 1% shootout victory. :Rolleyes:

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(also, I spend a lot of time gaming on my Xbox One X, which is the worlds first HDMI 2.1 device)
Xbox One X is HDMI 2.0. AMD has been supporting VRR on HDMI 2.0 for many years now. Also many displays support VRR on HDMI 2.0. Xbox One X cannot output 4k at 120hz nor 8k.

The main feature that HDMI 2.1 offers is bandwidth for 8k and 4k 120hz. EARC and VRR are features that can be offered on HDMI 2.0.

There are no source devices that yet support 4k 4:4:4 at 120hz (to drive the new LG HFR). Even high end video cards only have HDMI 2.0. They need to use Display Port 1.4 to drive 4k 120hz (which is not supported by the new LG TVs).

It may be possible to manufacture a Display Port 1.4 to HDMI 2.1 adapter that supports 4k 4:4:4.120hz, but I doubt we'll see that soon.

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It was actually the G6 that won the 2016 shootout (I guess the E7 won in 2017). 'Scuse me while I hyperbolize: Since LG has been dethroned, I guess they should fold up shop and instruct LGD to sell all panel output as an OEM to the Japanese competitors.
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Confirming full HDMI 2.1 for all E9 and C9. W9 will not have it. That includes 4K HFR (with update), eARC, 48Gb bandwidth.

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It's like arguing over Acura vs Honda. One costs a little more and has a few more amenities, but they're basically the same thing.
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Confirming full HDMI 2.1 for all E9 and C9. W9 will not have it. That includes 4K HFR (with update), eARC, 48Gb bandwidth.
Any way to test VRR?
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It's like arguing over Acura vs Honda. One costs a little more and has a few more amenities, but they're basically the same thing.
I'll take it a step further with Toyota Landcruiser and the Lexus LX570. Under the hood the same, priced the same, inside the same, but aesthetically......... a little different.

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Confirming full HDMI 2.1 for all E9 and C9. W9 will not have it. That includes 4K HFR (with update), eARC, 48Gb bandwidth.
can you check out the "AI DATABASE" feature? another person who had hands on says there's an option in the picture mode settings to turn it ON or OFF.
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Preparing for my new C9 what would be a good cost effective Dolby Vision disk player? Is the Sony UBP-x700 a good choice? Or I could wait for the Panasonic DP-UB450 if its released state side.

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Preparing for my new C9 what would be a good cost effective Dolby Vision disk player? Is the Sony UBP-x700 a good choice? Or I could wait for the Panasonic DP-UB450 if its released state side.
I have not used the Sony, but Phillips BDP-7502 is a good option for you to consider.
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Confirming full HDMI 2.1 for all E9 and C9. W9 will not have it. That includes 4K HFR (with update), eARC, 48Gb bandwidth.
So what other devices in 2019 would connect to the E9 and C9?


Unbelievably lame that other manufacturers can't catch on.

I've read on Reddit that a lot of the processors that TV manufacturers are branding with names like X1 Ulmate are really Mediatek processors. I don't know if it's something off the shelf or Mediatek makes a custom design for Sony. But they have the typical ARM CPU and GPU cores and Mediatek is famously a manufacturer of SOCs for mid or low range phones, not the highest-end Snapdragons you get in flagship phones.

Hell you wonder what Apple could do with an OLED panel and their SOCs -- won't happen because there aren't margins in TVs.
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So what other devices in 2019 would connect to the E9 and C9?

For 2019 the devices would be any relatively recent AVR that supports eARC over HDMI 2.0a. The MSFT Xbox supports both game mode and VRR both of which the C9 will be able to take advantage of.

The benefits won't be immediately apparent but will become much more apparent in time as more and more source devices show up that take advantage of those features.

Next generation gaming consoles will more than likely support VRR, [email protected], and other features right out of the gate and those devices are perhaps 2 years away.

From a non gaming source perspective there aren't a ton of devices out there today that can take advantage but having the latest HDMI spec is still definitely future proofing in the event you need direct connection to the TV without having to rely on pass through of capabilities from an AVR.
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For 2019 the devices would be any relatively recent AVR that supports eARC over HDMI 2.0a. The MSFT Xbox supports both game mode and VRR both of which the C9 will be able to take advantage of.

The benefits won't be immediately apparent but will become much more apparent in time as more and more source devices show up that take advantage of those features.

Next generation gaming consoles will more than likely support VRR, [email protected], and other features right out of the gate and those devices are perhaps 2 years away.

From a non gaming source perspective there aren't a ton of devices out there today that can take advantage but having the latest HDMI spec is still definitely future proofing in the event you need direct connection to the TV without having to rely on pass through of capabilities from an AVR.
Thanks for this post. I was wondering why many people seemed so adamant that LG needed to include HDMI 2.1 in the 2019 models. I understand the want to future proof but personally, whether the TV has it doesn't matter much unless there are devices that can utilize the technology. Then again, I'm not a gamer so that side of thing has no impact on me.
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Thanks for this post. I was wondering why many people seemed so adamant that LG needed to include HDMI 2.1 in the 2019 models. I understand the want to future proof but personally, whether the TV has it doesn't matter much unless there are devices that can utilize the technology. Then again, I'm not a gamer so that side of thing has no impact on me.
HDMI2.1 is a nice-to-have on a 4K TV, but for an 8K TV, it's a must-have. Without HDMI 2.1, 8K refresh rate is limited to 30Hz. The HDMI 2.1 features implemented on HDMI2.0 chipsets can deliver pretty much all of the HDMI 2.1 capability to 4K TVs (except 120Hz refresh rates and VRR up to 120Hz)
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