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So what other devices in 2019 would connect to the E9 and C9?


Unbelievably lame that other manufacturers can't catch on.

I've read on Reddit that a lot of the processors that TV manufacturers are branding with names like X1 Ulmate are really Mediatek processors. I don't know if it's something off the shelf or Mediatek makes a custom design for Sony. But they have the typical ARM CPU and GPU cores and Mediatek is famously a manufacturer of SOCs for mid or low range phones, not the highest-end Snapdragons you get in flagship phones.

Hell you wonder what Apple could do with an OLED panel and their SOCs -- won't happen because there aren't margins in TVs.
Yes the generic CPU part (various I/O, IR, bluetooth, ethernet, probably wifi, etc) of the processor is mediatek (at least on Sony) and usually A53 ARM cores (4 seems common). The video processing part however is not designed by mediatek and is custom to each brand. Who actually manufactures the chip in the end? Who knows. There are plenty of chip fabrication companies to pick from.

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According to Amazon, One can get a 55" C9 by Thursday the 28th. Looks like from Walts TV, shipped 2-day Prime through Amazon. $2,496.99.
according? u asked and they told you or is there a page already for the c9 at amazon?
This is just based off what the listing on Amazon shows. Whether they actually would deliver by then is anyone's guess. Like a previous post mentioned, that date is not always accurate with TV's.
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It’s not even amazon, it’s a 3rd party seller so trust that if you wish...
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I think they are shipping at most of the retailers who usually get the first shipments right now.

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Yes the generic CPU part (various I/O, IR, bluetooth, ethernet, probably wifi, etc) of the processor is mediatek (at least on Sony) and usually A53 ARM cores (4 seems common). The video processing part however is not designed by mediatek and is custom to each brand. Who actually manufactures the chip in the end? Who knows. There are plenty of chip fabrication companies to pick from.

The McLaren F1 had an engine from BMW. Does that make it a BMW? No one else got that particular configuration of engine.
I believe I heard Mali cores, so nothing special, could be a bog standard off the shelf part.

Didn't Oppo use a standard Mediatek SOC for their players?

Maybe Sony has additional proprietary chips to do additional video processing like their motion processing? Or maybe their "special sauce" is in the software which they also run on the Mediatek?

Or maybe the Mediatek only runs the Android TV OS and apps?

Of course LG is touting their chip on the more expensive models yet LG has heavily discounted their OLEDs within the same year of announcing and shipping them. So they seem to have a lot of margin, which would suggest the processors may not be high-cost parts.
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This is just based off what the listing on Amazon shows. Whether they actually would deliver by then is anyone's guess. Like a previous post mentioned, that date is not always accurate with TV's.
Walt’s is legit, does have them in stock and will ship exactly when they say.
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Walt’s is legit, does have them in stock and will ship exactly when they say.
have you had any hands on time with one yet?
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I believe I heard Mali cores, so nothing special, could be a bog standard off the shelf part.

Didn't Oppo use a standard Mediatek SOC for their players?

Maybe Sony has additional proprietary chips to do additional video processing like their motion processing? Or maybe their "special sauce" is in the software which they also run on the Mediatek?

Or maybe the Mediatek only runs the Android TV OS and apps?

Of course LG is touting their chip on the more expensive models yet LG has heavily discounted their OLEDs within the same year of announcing and shipping them. So they seem to have a lot of margin, which would suggest the processors may not be high-cost parts.
MALI is the graphics core for output for running the apps. It does not process HDMI video signals. It is used for decoding video (youtube, netflix, etc) from apps, but not for doing the processing of incoming HDMI signals and the special processing. That stuff requires dedicated DSP hardware, you can't do that on a generic CPU in software. Way too slow. Most likely the output from the MALI core is treated as another HDMI input to the video processing part, although probably with the ability to do overlays over other inputs for menus and volume indicator and such.

The mediatek part of the design only runs antroid and apps, and handles the UI, remote control, etc. That part could run a phone (with a radio added of course) or tablet, or a streaming device. Not sure if the ones in the bluray players need any special hardware or not. I suspect handling the data from a sata bluray drive and processing it could be done entirely in software, given the data rates are less than 1% of what an HDMI signal entails.
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MALI is the graphics core for output for running the apps. It does not process HDMI video signals. It is used for decoding video (youtube, netflix, etc) from apps, but not for doing the processing of incoming HDMI signals and the special processing. That stuff requires dedicated DSP hardware, you can't do that on a generic CPU in software. Way too slow.
Not saying TVs don't have custom chips inside to handle video processing. But Mali is a GPU not a "generic CPU". As such is most definitely capable of more than just "decoding video". Being a GPU it most definitely is more efficient than the CPU portion of the chipset in processing video. It might not be powerful enough to realize what Sony and others want but I think it's not correct to present it as a "dumb unit" to decode video.

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Not saying TVs don't have custom chips inside to handle video processing. But Mali is a GPU not a "generic CPU". As such is most definitely capable of more than just "decoding video". Being a GPU it most definitely is more efficient than the CPU portion of the chipset in processing video. It might not be powerful enough to realize what Sony and others want but I think it's not correct to present it as a "dumb unit" to decode video.
It is a GPU meant to do 2D and 3D graphics and video playback. It is not a video processor handling HDMI input signals. ARM has essentially no experience in that field and isn't designing GPUs for that kind of work.

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A GPU nowadays can do all sorts of things not just 3D/2D an Vidoe decoding. Do you have any proof for your claims of some secret sauce for video processing that no one knows of? All SoCs of that type can do video processing, just have a look at mobiel phones that have displays to be employed. For scaling some dumb fixed logic is part of most GPUs, all other stuff will be done by the Mali GPU.

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A GPU nowadays can do all sorts of things not just 3D/2D an Vidoe decoding. Do you have any proof for your claims of some secret sauce for video processing that no one knows of? All SoCs of that type can do video processing, just have a look at mobiel phones that have displays to be employed. For scaling some dumb fixed logic is part of most GPUs, all other stuff will be done by the Mali GPU.
We are talking an 18Gbps video signal to be processed real time. That takes a lot of processing power which means specialized hardware built for the job.

I have worked on enough ARM systems including some with MALI GPUs to know that is not what the MALI is doing.

Generating output is quite different than modifying input on the fly.
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Sometimes the GPU is confused with the display scaler but their functions are not the same.
The TV manufacturers call the display scaler different names, such as "Sony 4K Processor X1 with 4K X-Reality PRO"... or "LG's α (Alpha) 9 intelligent processor"....

GPU's generate 2D and 3D models that are rendered (by the GPU) as flat or stereo frames, and the display scaler takes the frames and adjust them according to the display it is attached.
The display scaler receives the frames from many sources in a TV: composite inputs, tuner, HDMI switch, internal decoders/apps/GPU etc.

The display scaler has its own CPU (usually a PIC microcontroller), with RAM and some flash memory for its firmware and is intimately linked to the display it serves. The display scaler can do a lot of image processing and adjustments (de-noise, de-interlace, tone mapping, etc.).

The display scaler is VERY, VERY fast at what it does, because his functions are simpler that the functions of a GPU, and the scaler is very specialized, where the GPU has more general purpose graphics functions.
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A local BB in my area has 1 on site in the back but they can’t release it until price is corrected unless I pay $100k placeholder.

LOL. Sounds like it’s really a system issue of BB fixing their internal system.
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A local BB in my area has 1 on site in the back but they can’t release it until price is corrected unless I pay $100k placeholder.

LOL. Sounds like it’s really a system issue of BB fixing their internal system.
You just posted a photo in the owner's thread that you were able to get the TV today. How did you get them to break embargo or did you get it from another retailer?
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You just posted a photo in the owner's thread that you were able to get the TV today. How did you get them to break embargo or did you get it from another retailer?
It's available for sale in the regular best buy system in store. the magnolia system still has it blocked. the store had 1 on hand in the magnolia system, so they rang it up manually and made a bunch of calls...they came back and said since it's available to order in the regular best buy system that they can release it.
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It's available for sale in the regular best buy system in store. the magnolia system still has it blocked. the store had 1 on hand in the magnolia system, so they rang it up manually and made a bunch of calls...they came back and said since it's available to order in the regular best buy system that they can release it.
No MLB.TV on these TVs I take it.
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No MLB.TV on these TVs I take it.

Yes, MLB.TV recently removed WebOS support. I see that PS Vue is also not supported on WebOS, so a streaming box is required for my purposes with an LG TV. Although Android TV receives quite a bit of well deserved criticism, it does seem to have the most widespread app support, aside from Apple TV.
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We are talking an 18Gbps video signal to be processed real time. That takes a lot of processing power which means specialized hardware built for the job.

I have worked on enough ARM systems including some with MALI GPUs to know that is not what the MALI is doing.

Generating output is quite different than modifying input on the fly.
Not really. It depends on how expensive one pixel is. 3D graphic takes a lot mor complex operations than simple 2D video processing.
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Not really. It depends on how expensive one pixel is. 3D graphic takes a lot mor complex operations than simple 2D video processing.
Regardless, TV's do not use GPU's for video processing, but specialized (display) scalers, that are VERY fast at that. Faster than any GPU that is used in a smart TV today.
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So why does LG have a B9 listed on their site https://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-OLED65B9PUA-oled-4k-tv

And why isn't it on the front post of this thread?
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