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Unless your C8 panel is not very uniform or your really interested in gaming advancements available on the C9 then you’ll probably not notice anything different.
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If you aren't a gamer then no imo
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I game, X1X, but casually so I don't know that I NEED VRR and ALLM. I don't have an OLED currently, looking to upgrade and just curious if it's honestly worth the money to upgrade. Thanks!
Well if on a budget get the C8. If not, just get the latest & greatest C9.

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Does anyone have Dolby Vision handshaking issue with Netflix and Apple 4K? Lately DV doesn’t kick in or drops out occasionally when watching Netflix via Apple 4K.


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Like in terms of cumulative Burn in Gaming was in all bad but 4 hours a week Gaming isn’t much.
Loving this thing gonna buy another one when LG upgrades to 30,000 hours life span from the current 15,000 hour

Since I’m at work so much not counting weekdays I’d say my new C9 will get 30 hours a week On time average More around Holidays and way less on 2 weeks vacation away from home. That’s 1560 Hours a year average.

And at give or take LG says they have a 15,000 Hour life span but not at Max Brightness
Back in the day people where worried about this and plasma TV's, ended up not being a concern at all......
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Does anyone have Dolby Vision handshaking issue with Netflix and Apple 4K? Lately DV doesn’️t kick in or drops out occasionally when watching Netflix via Apple 4K.


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Question will the C9 ever get FreeSync support ? Or does it matter because VRR is part of the HDMI 2.1 Spec
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I have problem with HDMI 4 input.
When I plug in console I see that device is connected but on the screen is show up info "No signal".
When I switch console to another hdmi display is visible.
Other hdmi work fine.
I'm concerned because couple weeks ago (I play ralely) the problem didn't occur.


It is a problem with tv or maybe with last firmware - 03.60.04 ?
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Like in terms of cumulative Burn in Gaming was in all bad but 4 hours a week Gaming isn’️t much.
Loving this thing gonna buy another one when LG upgrades to 30,000 hours life span from the current 15,000 hour

Since I’️m at work so much not counting weekdays I’️d say my new C9 will get 30 hours a week On time average More around Holidays and way less on 2 weeks vacation away from home. That’️s 1560 Hours a year average.

And at give or take LG says they have a 15,000 Hour life span but not at Max Brightness
Back in the day people where worried about this and plasma TV's, ended up not being a concern at all......
I've seen burn in with plasma's, LCDs, OLED's, CRTs but not in the same way. OLEDs still have more issues with burn in than plasma did. Never had any that I noticed with my 10-year-old Kuro but I've had a few OLED phones that showed signs within a few days or weeks of moderate use. We'll see how the C9 fares.

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Question will the C9 ever get FreeSync support ? Or does it matter because VRR is part of the HDMI 2.1 Spec
Would like to know this as well. Didn't RTINGS or whatever not get it to work with the Xbox? They should be the same thing but of course it looks like it's not going to be. I don't know if that means video cards we'll get updated to support the extra different but really the same VRR in the Vesa spec that AMD is supposed to be using with FreeSync or if TVs will end up supporting both. ???

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Question will the C9 ever get FreeSync support ? Or does it matter because VRR is part of the HDMI 2.1 Spec

Up to LG, frankly I'd be surprised if they do and instead try to sell it on next years model.



Freesync and VRR are similar but not compatible, there are no PC GPU's with HDMI VRR.


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I game, X1X, but casually so I don't know that I NEED VRR and ALLM. I don't have an OLED currently, looking to upgrade and just curious if it's honestly worth the money to upgrade. Thanks!

ALLM is auto game mode, useful if you use your console for media playback and want to use a cinema picture preset and have the console go into game mode automatically. If you use console for games only then it's not much use.


VRR is very useful and helps smooth out judder from inconsistent frame-rates on games and lower input lag, the C9 has a range of 40-120hz this means games that have a frame-rate of 40-120fps can benefit, however most console games are 30fps and do not benefit from VRR, the few 60fps titles there are can. Next generation consoles with much better AMD CPU's should be able to deliver 60fps more often and even above that with 60-120fps, this is were VRR is most effective.


If you have little interest in high frame rate games or lowest input lag on the TV then it may not be as much use to you.

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Does anyone have Dolby Vision handshaking issue with Netflix and Apple 4K? Lately DV doesn’t kick in or drops out occasionally when watching Netflix via Apple 4K.


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I’ve had this happen occasionally, just run hdmi test and then it is back. Is a little strange though.

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Hey guys, I know the next gen consoles are 1 year away so we still have time before changing our TVs but the more I think about, it, the more I think I should upgrade my tv right now with maybe the C9 because of the HDMI 2.1 and VRR... The consoles will probably released in November or close to it and since I think It'll get both of them at the same time with some games and accessories, I think it'll be pretty expensive month and I need to think about Christmas time too, money wise, changing my TV isn't the only thing I need to change as well, I need to change my AV receiver for the Dolby Vision/HDR/HDMI 2.1 features too, what do you guys think ? Should I wait a little more before biting for the C10 or should I go now ? do you have some recommendation for a future proof AV receiver as well ? To be honest, the LG C9 looks pretty amazing but I don't know if it'll be perfect for the next gen console, thank you guys.
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Hey guys, I know the next gen consoles are 1 year away so we still have time before changing our TVs but the more I think about, it, the more I think I should upgrade my tv right now with maybe the C9 because of the HDMI 2.1 and VRR... The consoles will probably released in November or close to it and since I think It'll get both of them at the same time with some games and accessories, I think it'll be pretty expensive month and I need to think about Christmas time too, money wise, changing my TV isn't the only thing I need to change as well, I need to change my AV receiver for the Dolby Vision/HDR/HDMI 2.1 features too, what do you guys think ? Should I wait a little more before biting for the C10 or should I go now ? do you have some recommendation for a future proof AV receiver as well ? To be honest, the LG C9 looks pretty amazing but I don't know if it'll be perfect for the next gen console, thank you guys.
This exact situation is my same dilemma, I’d be crushed if the C9 didn’t get FreeSync 2 support because it’s juts a branded by AMD version of HDMI 2.1 and a lot of people are playing PC Games on the C9 at 1440p 120Hz because it supported but not sure why [email protected] isn’t showing up as it’s supposed to. I simply MUST have FreeSync 2 support but HDMI 2.1 meets all the requirements. But that requires an HDMI 2.1 certified Cable (which none exists) an LG C9 and the Xbox One X. Also both PlayStation 5 and Xbox Scarlet will have AMD Graphics with FreeSync 2 support.
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............ but not sure why [email protected] isn’t showing up as it’s supposed to.
[email protected] is still not supported because it will be enabled by a future firmware update - see this post: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...l#post58227640
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Also both PlayStation 5 and Xbox Scarlet will have AMD Graphics with FreeSync 2 support.
We do not know what PS5 and Scarlet will support.
XBox One X supports both: AMDs implementation of VRR and HDMI Forums VRR implementation.
Thats why it is more than likely that Scarlet will do so as well. Thats why everything should work just fine with the C9/E9 etc..

With PS5 it should not be that different. Since PS5 will probably also come with native HDMI 2.1
HDMI Forums VRR implementation should be a no brainer. FreeSync 2 is another story.
The only reason why FreeSync via HDMI (as it now is) exisits is the lack of support of VRR in older HDMI versions.
Thats why AMD went with an own (open source) implementation. HDMI 2.1 now has native support for VRR (at least in theory). So AMD could abandoned their implementation of VRR and just use HDMI Forums VRR in future. Or maybe AMD just goes with both implementations.

Also important to note: Next Gen console won't arrive until late 2020. So basically just a few weeks before the C11 will be announced. In other words: Even the C10 will be a "pre-Next-Gen-TV". Just like the C9/E9 etc. now. So even with the 2020 there is no guarantee that every feature from the next-gen-console-lineup will be supported. If you want to make sure that everything will be supported you have to wait until 2021. Otherwise I do not see any major improvements that could happen in the C10 model in terms of supported HDMI 2.1 features (compared to the 2019 lineup).
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Does anyone know why the polarizer is oriented differently between the 55" and 65" OLEDs?

55" OLEDs look perfect with standard sunglasses, 65" are anti-perfect
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I have a C9 65" and a Denon x4500h both on the latest firmware.

The issue I am having is that when I enable eARC in the LG setting under the ARC menu, the built in Netflix apps downgrade every Dolby Atmos to "5.1", even the Netflix UI change from Atmos to 5.1.
However if I disable eARC in the settings, I netflix switch back to Dolby Vision / Atmos and the Atmos is correctly being passthrough to my receiver...

If I leave eARC on and use other Apps (such as Emby, with a Dolby Atmos demo file) Atmos is passthrough correctly.

Anyone noticed this issue with Netflix + eARC?

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Yes this happens to me using eARC going to a Denon 6500h as well. Also would occasionally happen on my PC passing Atmos through eARC too.
When it happens, if I turn eARC on and off several times and the receiver and/or the TV on and off, I can usually get it to come back. Cycling through Auto, Passthrough and PCM sometimes gets it to come back too. It seems to be a handshake issue. I've noticed it has been happening less if I set the eARC to "Auto" vs "Passthrough" under audio settings. Much less, but still occasionally. It's annoying when it happens.

The Atmos files I have on a USB hooked to the TV will always pass through Atmos even if Netflix is having an issue flagging Atmos - as you are experiencing with your emby app.

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I have a C9 65" and a Denon x4500h both on the latest firmware.

The issue I am having is that when I enable eARC in the LG setting under the ARC menu, the built in Netflix apps downgrade every Dolby Atmos to "5.1", even the Netflix UI change from Atmos to 5.1.
However if I disable eARC in the settings, I netflix switch back to Dolby Vision / Atmos and the Atmos is correctly being passthrough to my receiver...

If I leave eARC on and use other Apps (such as Emby, with a Dolby Atmos demo file) Atmos is passthrough correctly.

Anyone noticed this issue with Netflix + eARC?

Thank you.
Yes this happens to me using eARC going to a Denon 6500h as well. Also would occasionally happen on my PC passing Atmos through eARC too.
When it happens, if I turn eARC on and off several times and the receiver and/or the TV on and off, I can usually get it to come back. Cycling through Auto, Passthrough and PCM sometimes gets it to come back too. It seems to be a handshake issue. I've noticed it has been happening less if I set the eARC to "Auto" vs "Passthrough" under audio settings. Much less, but still occasionally. It's annoying when it happens.

The Atmos files I have on a USB hooked to the TV will always pass through Atmos even if Netflix is having an issue flagging Atmos - as you are experiencing with your emby app.
Ok, thanks for confirming that I am not crazy. Just like you said cycling between auto and pass through fixed it. I am now back in pass through and Netflix is playing Atmos again.
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Why is the C9 darker then the E6 except in HDR?
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Just got a replacement 55 C9 for my faulty one. Old one had manufactured date 2019-04 and new one 2019-06. The old one had protection film on front of glass and back. The new one has NO protection film at all. Should I be worried? Anyone else got their C9 without protective film? Should I be worried I got a used one? But it’s made in June 2019? Please easy my worry. Don’t want a used TV 😞
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Most likely LG just hardware locking the Brightness output deliberately to further avoid Burn-in. It’s like 100% Brightness on the C9 is equivalent of 50% Brightness on the C8, but they are pretty much equal.
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2019 C9–E9 Owner's Thread (No Price Talk)

Stand question, the back piece of my stand doesn’t sit flat on my tv stand the front goes upward a little, and meets the front of the stand, is that correct or did I put my stand together incorrectly?



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Long story; short: The AVR situation has not been good from Accessoies4less with 2 defective units from different brands. In order to get around this, and use my new C9 (still in the box as I was trying to get the AVR done first), I think I may do it this way. Xbox One X -> C9 over eARC -> HDfury device that splits the audio from video and then HDMI into my HDMI 1.4 AVR. This will allow me to wait for HDMI 2.1 AVRs in late 2020 anyway. I think the C9 will work with this setup, see my posts here:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/37-vi...l#post58199782
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/37-vi...l#post58201706

Until the HDfury gets here, can I take the exact same setup with HDMI from Xbox One X to C9 eARC, but use Optical audio out from the C9 to the AVR? (I understand that I will not be getting HD audio until the HDfury gets here).
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55" OLEDs look perfect with standard sunglasses, 65" are anti-perfect
Pretty sure all panel sizes are cut from the same sheets, but the orientations are probably different to optimize efficiency. That would explain the polarization effects through sunglasses. What happens when you tilt your head or stand the TV vertically?

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Motion issue

I have a 65" LG C9 and it's been wonderful overall. No surprise to people here. I do have one odd minor glitch. Every so often (maybe once every 20 minutes or so), and especially when watching something on Netflix or Amazon Prime (via my Apple TV), the picture will "jump" (stutter? judder? or ??). That is, it's like someone spliced out a half-second of the film. It happens once only. Then it's all back to normal until the next time it happens.

I've played with the LG's motion settings (from off to low correction) — and nothing eliminates this.

Any thoughts as to the cause and what, if anything, I can do about it? Or should I just ignore it, because it is so infrequent and not a big deal?

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Motion issue

I have a 65" LG C9 and it's been wonderful overall. No surprise to people here. I do have one odd minor glitch. Every so often (maybe once every 20 minutes or so), and especially when watching something on Netflix or Amazon Prime (via my Apple TV), the picture will "jump" (stutter? judder? or ??). That is, it's like some spliced out a half-second of the film. It happens once only. Then it's all back to normal until the next time it happens.

I've played with the LG's motion settings (from off to low correction) — and nothing eliminates this.

Any thoughts as to the cause and what, if anything, I can do about it? Or should I just ignore it, because it is so infrequent and not a big deal?
First test it with the same apps internally on the television.

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I have a 65" LG C9 and it's been wonderful overall. No surprise to people here. I do have one odd minor glitch. Every so often (maybe once every 20 minutes or so), and especially when watching something on Netflix or Amazon Prime (via my Apple TV), the picture will "jump" (stutter? judder? or ??). That is, it's like some spliced out a half-second of the film. It happens once only. Then it's all back to normal until the next time it happens.

I've played with the LG's motion settings (from off to low correction) — and nothing eliminates this.

Any thoughts as to the cause and what, if anything, I can do about it? Or should I just ignore it, because it is so infrequent and not a big deal?
Might be an issue with your Apple TV and not your C9. Is it the regular Apple TV or their 4K version? Try the TVs built-in app to eliminate the TV as the problem. If they both do it then its the TV and not your Apple TV or HDMI cable. DVR in the mix anywhere?
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Might be an issue with your Apple TV and not your C9. Is it the regular Apple TV or their 4K version? Try the TVs built-in app to eliminate the TV as the problem. If they both do it then its the TV and not your Apple TV or HDMI cable. DVR in the mix anywhere?
I guess my question then becomes: What does it mean to say "it's the TV"? Is it an inherent problem with the TV that I just have to live with (unless I can find a setting that fixes it or it gets addressed in a firmware update)? Or is it my particular TV...and it needs a repair or replacement?

P.S. It's the latest 4K Apple TV.

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First test it with the same apps internally on the television.

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Will do. Thanks. Although, it's a bit tricky to test...because I could watch for an hour and never see the glitch...but that wouldn't mean it wouldn't show up if I kept going for an hour and 5 minutes. However, if I do see the glitch, that will be confirmatory.
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Kinda random but has anyone watched Stranger Things 3 on DV via native Netflix app and noticed the elevated black levels during the intro title? I'm pretty sure this is the way the editors rendered it because it's the same playing from my Nvidia Shield as well. Just wanted to see if anyone else noticed and then immediately went to check their settings like I did haha

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