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So I am still seeing flashing bars on stranger things s3 ep1 with oled motion off. Any other ideas?


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In your case, the ISF Dark is the default SDR Picture Mode - meaning, all the SDR sources will get this profile.
Game mode is selected because the ALLM/Instant Game Response flag is sent by the Xbox.
Netflix app on Xbox goes to whatever HDR mode is preferred by the streaming service - Dolby Vision and Game mode maybe because Netflix apps are stuck at 60Hz (instead of matching the actual content FPS...).
Thanks.

For the Netflix mode it sets, don't I still want the motion settings and other stuff that it takes away?

Also, when the TV sets an HDR mode, or DolbyVision Game mode, it maxes the settings. Should I back them back to my ISF Dark settings, or leave them maxed?
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It's probably not out of the realm of possibilities? I never thought Mitsubishi would stop making TVs and I never thought Oppo or Samsung would stop making blu-ray players. Also, I think if you go back far enough LG is the company that bought Zenith (a TV company from a long time ago).
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Hello. I am trying to understand how the C9 choses different picture modes on what type of content is playing. For regular content, I have ISF Dark mode with settings close to Rtings.

I use the Xbox for all sources and it's HDMI direct into the TV.

-When I start my X1X and am at the dashboard, it choses mode: ISF Dark
-When I start my X1X and start game, the C9 chooses: Game mode
-When I start Microsoft Media Player app on X1X, the C9 chooses ISF Dark.
-When I start bluray player with a 1080p bluray on X1X the C9 chooses ISF Dark.
-When I start my X1X Netflix app on X1X, the C9 chooses DolbyVision picture mode (Game): On this setting, it bumped up OLED light to 100, same with contrast. It also does not allow me to change some settings, like Gamma and many others. How is the C9 selecting this mode automatically and how does the C9 know the Netflix app on Xbox is different?
-Haven't tested a UHD disc yet, but assume the C9 will pick some HDR mode where it will max all settings again?

I notice that when in some of these picture modes it selects, I cannot change back to ISF Dark. That is not available.

Of the settings that the C9 changes to max values, should I be moving the settings back down to match my ISF Dark mode settings?

If I make any picture choice changes or settings changes, will the C9 remember that the next time X1X Netflix starts or Media Player or a Game?

I am coming from a 10 year old Samsung LED DLP, which offered great picture and it was a set and forget for all sources. Meaning, all the activities above looked consistent across each other, from Netflix to media streaming to blurays. I realize how nice this was and hoping you all can help me tame the C9.

hehe, it does look a bit crazy when you first experience this, but I think it's simple once you understand the logic. Here's how I understand it, based on my experience the past week:

1 - the TV has 2 setting GROUPS - one for HDR/Dolby Vision content, and one for SDR content
1a - choose Cinema for HDR/Dolby Vision, and, unless your eyes hurt from the brightness, leave the oled light and contrast at 100, because the tone mapping sent by the content expects those settings in order to work properly. Personally, I often reduce oled light because it's crazy bright for me.
1b - choose ISF Dark mode for SDR content
1c - choose Game mode when playing games (both setting groups have Game mode available)

2 - the TV switches to the setting you chose the last time you used the specific input, but

3 - since the same input can be fed different signals (e.g. the Xbox can (a) play SDR video, (b) play HDR video and (c) play a video game), the TV recognises the signal coming in and switches to the appropriate mode (that is, the mode chosen the last time you played the same content).
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There are currently a handful of UHD Blu-Ray movies out on HDR10+: Robin Hood, Alien (40th Anniversary 4K), Bohemian Rhapsody and maybe 2 more. You're not missing out at all. More importantly, DV is arguably better but no review I've read has said that HDR10+ is subjectively better.
What does a non-HDR10+ device do with the "plus" information? Does it read the HDR10 core and ignore the extra information? Or does it treat the video as non-HDR? If the C9 can still read the HDR core, that's a much different scenario.
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Thanks.

For the Netflix mode it sets, don't I still want the motion settings and other stuff that it takes away?

Also, when the TV sets an HDR mode, or DolbyVision Game mode, it maxes the settings. Should I back them back to my ISF Dark settings, or leave them maxed?
Leave them maxed.
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What does a non-HDR10+ device do with the "plus" information? Does it read the HDR10 core and ignore the extra information? Or does it treat the video as non-HDR? If the C9 can still read the HDR core, that's a much different scenario.
The dynamic part is discarded, only the standard static HDR10 is used by a TV set that is not HDR10+ compatible, like the C9.
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Anyone know if turning on smooth gradation in game mode adds input lag?


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TV business and small electronics have no margin. We lost Mitusubishi, Hitachi, Pioneer, Sharp more or less, Toshiba, and Panasonic. We are down to 3...Sony, LG, and Samsung. I hope Sony never pulls out of the TV game.......
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1 - the TV has 2 setting GROUPS - one for HDR/Dolby Vision content, and one for SDR content
1a - choose Cinema for HDR/Dolby Vision, and, unless your eyes hurt from the brightness, leave the oled light and contrast at 100, because the tone mapping sent by the content expects those settings in order to work properly. Personally, I often reduce oled light because it's crazy bright for me.
I think the C9 separates HDR & Dolby Vision. My understanding was that Cinema was best for DV and Technicolor Expert is best for HDR.

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hehe, it does look a bit crazy when you first experience this, but I think it's simple once you understand the logic. Here's how I understand it, based on my experience the past week:

1 - the TV has 2 setting GROUPS - one for HDR/Dolby Vision content, and one for SDR content
1a - choose Cinema for HDR/Dolby Vision, and, unless your eyes hurt from the brightness, leave the oled light and contrast at 100, because the tone mapping sent by the content expects those settings in order to work properly. Personally, I often reduce oled light because it's crazy bright for me.
1b - choose ISF Dark mode for SDR content
1c - choose Game mode when playing games (both setting groups have Game mode available)

2 - the TV switches to the setting you chose the last time you used the specific input, but

3 - since the same input can be fed different signals (e.g. the Xbox can (a) play SDR video, (b) play HDR video and (c) play a video game), the TV recognises the signal coming in and switches to the appropriate mode (that is, the mode chosen the last time you played the same content).

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No, most now agree the motion handling differences are not at all major and more subtle. LG has come a long way with its motion handling.
I would agree if Trumotion didn't seem completely broken at the moment. There seems to be an issue with Trumotion causing stutter in slow moving objects starting from rest. Once movement gets up to speed there doesn't seem to be any problems (other than some minor artifacting). It's like Trumotion is dynamically tracking movement and switches off with little or no motion on screen, then switches on when there's enough movement, but during this period there's very obvious stutter. This happens whether Deblur/Dejudder is at any value, including 0. It's definitely happening in 60fps content and I think I've seen a few instances in low framerate content, although it's less obvious there.

At least that's been my experience with Trumotion. Never had that problem with Sony's Motionflow.

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It's probably not out of the realm of possibilities? I never thought Mitsubishi would stop making TVs and I never thought Oppo or Samsung would stop making blu-ray players. Also, I think if you go back far enough LG is the company that bought Zenith (a TV company from a long time ago).
It's the natural product evolution for any "innovative" technology. If it's popular enough, people will find a way to make it cheaper/faster/"good enough", which turns it into a commodity which destroys the profit margin and eliminates the "premium" pricing model while at the same time transforming it into a mainstream product where the last 5% of maximum performance is not worth the price premium for 99% of consumers. In 8 years the 65" 4K OLED TV will likely be available for $500 at a performance nearly equal to today's C9. This is why they are pushing so hard for 8K adoption - it allows them to continue their line of premium products to support the high margin pricing model between $2,000 and $7,000. If consumers do not adopt 8K (like they didn't adopt 3D), then LG will likely be out of the TV business altogether. For this reason, I suspect that over the next few years the premium TV market must move towards giant wall displays (120+ inch visibly benefits from 8K) in order to survive.
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I would agree if Trumotion didn't seem completely broken at the moment. There seems to be an issue with Trumotion causing stutter in slow moving objects starting from rest. Once movement gets up to speed there doesn't seem to be any problems (other than some minor artifacting). It's like Trumotion is dynamically tracking movement and switches off with little or no motion on screen, then switches on when there's enough movement, but during this period there's very obvious stutter. This happens whether Deblur/Dejudder is at any value, including 0. It's definitely happening in 60fps content and I think I've seen a few instances in low framerate content, although it's less obvious there.
At least that's been my experience with Trumotion. Never had that problem with Sony's Motionflow.
Which movie scene did you find this issue? I would love to play around with that scene to see how the A9G handles it. If you have Netflix, another good baseline test is in the first 25 seconds in episode 1 of The Good Cop where a bullet is shot out of pistol at slow motion (The Matrix style), moving across the screen as it heads to the target. The Vizio PQX completely fails this test with the bullet stuttering and jumping in this scene.
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So I am still seeing flashing bars on stranger things s3 ep1 with oled motion off. Any other ideas?
What do you mean by "flashing bars"?

I just finished watching season 3, and the only flashing I have seen were the white sparkles during the intro/title sequence.

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I would agree if Trumotion didn't seem completely broken at the moment. There seems to be an issue with Trumotion causing stutter in slow moving objects starting from rest. Once movement gets up to speed there doesn't seem to be any problems (other than some minor artifacting). It's like Trumotion is dynamically tracking movement and switches off with little or no motion on screen, then switches on when there's enough movement, but during this period there's very obvious stutter. This happens whether Deblur/Dejudder is at any value, including 0. It's definitely happening in 60fps content and I think I've seen a few instances in low framerate content, although it's less obvious there.

At least that's been my experience with Trumotion. Never had that problem with Sony's Motionflow.
I've never seen that behavior with Trumotion. If more were experiencing this issue I'm sure we'd see many more posts like yours.
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What do you mean by "flashing bars"?



I just finished watching season 3, and the only flashing I have seen were the white sparkles during the intro/title sequence.


I mean the black letterbox bars.


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My aspect ratio is set to "original" and I do not have letterbox bars when watching Stranger Things via the built-in app. What is your aspect ratio set to?

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I was getting white flashing artifacts in Stranger things Season 3 with a netflix 4k sub as well.

Using Netflix LG App, during some dark scenes, when Eleven was in those pitch black mind rooms i would get a white flash every few seconds.

I will find the episode and timestamp when i get home tonight. And posts settings.
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My aspect ratio is set to "original" and I do not have letterbox bars when watching Stranger Things via the built-in app. What is your aspect ratio set to?
Nevermind, I guess there are thin bars, I just didn't notice them in my dark room. I have rewatched several of the black room scenes several times and not seen any flashing, so I don't think it is a problem with the app or the feed (though it is possible you might be getting your feed from a different server).

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It's come down to a 75 Z9D or 77 C9. I just can't stop agonizing over the decision. I've been saving forever and I'd hate to make the wrong choice. I don't have the money to replace a TV every 4-5 years. Burn in scares me. I know that this thing is organic, it is slowly wearing down at all times. But I also know it is absolutely gorgeous. I understand that burn in is a cumulative effect. That given enough cumulative time some pixels will fade faster than others. I do a fair amount of gaming, most days 3-4 hours, on the weekends sometimes more than that. Other static content would be menus streaming from Plex, and Netflix. Rest of the use would be 4K movies. Most posts I read are from people with C7s or C8s that say they do all these things but don't have any burn in and others say they do. I'm curious if it's just the fact that the hours on the TV haven't reached high enough to start to see any ill effects. I know that last year and this year have a larger red subpixel to try and alleviate burn in and that they have the logo dimming feature to try and also aid with avoiding burn in. I don't have the ability to use it in a dedicated theater room, it would be for all my TV related usage. I would feel better if burn in was covered in the manufacturers warranty, surely they know it's an issue. I don't have enough money to pay for the Best Buy warranty which is the only one that covers burn in. Does all of this just put the OLED out of reach for me? Are there other things I'm not considering when thinking about the good or bad of OLED?

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I was getting white flashing artifacts in Stranger things Season 3 with a netflix 4k sub as well.

Using Netflix LG App, during some dark scenes, when Eleven was in those pitch black mind rooms i would get a white flash every few seconds.

I will find the episode and timestamp when i get home tonight. And posts settings.

Same here.


It was Season 3, Episode 6. Timestamp: 38:40. You can see a quick flash of white under his bed on the black water and a couple more flashes during this scene. Very odd. Don't know if it is the source or the C9 .


Also, do people recommend that you pick other picture modes than "Game" when playing games? According to https://www.flatpanelshd.com/review....&id=1559035462 they say that you should not. "Another new feature this year is the option to turn on game mode with any picture mode in the TV, which means that you can now select either 'Game' picture mode (which is not very picture accurate) or you can chose to flip on a game switch when the TV is running in other picture modes. This will produce the same low input lag."


I will follow the calibration settings on rtings and flatpanelshd (without the CMS and White balance of course), since those seem like you get a very good picture without calibration.
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Which movie scene did you find this issue? I would love to play around with that scene to see how the A9G handles it. If you have Netflix, another good baseline test is in the first 25 seconds in episode 1 of The Good Cop where a bullet is shot out of pistol at slow motion (The Matrix style), moving across the screen as it heads to the target. The Vizio PQX completely fails this test with the bullet stuttering and jumping in this scene.
I'll make a note of it next time I see it in a movie or show. Happens frequently in sports broadcasts. For example, when a lot of players on a soccer pitch are slowly moving before a corner kick, free kick, etc. Also, I saw it during CFL football snaps when players start moving all at once. Saw it in F1 during grid lineup and also frequently when cars would enter the frame from around corners.

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I've never seen that behavior with Trumotion. If more were experiencing this issue I'm sure we'd see many more posts like yours.
Maybe some people are just more sensitive than others. There's enough complaints about Trumotion artifacts I know it's probably not just my set. There's a thread on the LG forums complaining about C9 Trumotion artifacts and a forum rep escalated the issue to engineering, so maybe there's hope for those of us sensitive to the issue.

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It was Season 3, Episode 6. Timestamp: 38:40. You can see a quick flash of white under his bed on the black water and a couple more flashes during this scene. Very odd. Don't know if it is the source or the C9
Many of the black scenes have reflections, like they are standing in water. The flashes I see under the bed are due to those water-like reflections.

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It's come down to a 75 Z9D or 77 C9. I just can't stop agonizing over the decision. I've been saving forever and I'd hate to make the wrong choice. I don't have the money to replace a TV every 4-5 years. Burn in scares me. I know that this thing is organic, it is slowly wearing down at all times. But I also know it is absolutely gorgeous. I understand that burn in is a cumulative effect. That given enough cumulative time some pixels will fade faster than others. I do a fair amount of gaming, most days 3-4 hours, on the weekends sometimes more than that. Other static content would be menus streaming from Plex, and Netflix. Rest of the use would be 4K movies. Most posts I read are from people with C7s or C8s that say they do all these things but don't have any burn in and others say they do. I'm curious if it's just the fact that the hours on the TV haven't reached high enough to start to see any ill effects. I know that last year and this year have a larger red subpixel to try and alleviate burn in and that they have the logo dimming feature to try and also aid with avoiding burn in. I don't have the ability to use it in a dedicated theater room, it would be for all my TV related usage. I would feel better if burn in was covered in the manufacturers warranty, surely they know it's an issue. I don't have enough money to pay for the Best Buy warranty which is the only one that covers burn in. Does all of this just put the OLED out of reach for me? Are there other things I'm not considering when thinking about the good or bad of OLED?
Personally I won’t keep an oled more than a year due to the fear of panel degradation, especially when I watch lots of bright hdr contents and game a lot. I usually buy the cheapest newest 55” oled when the price goes down to around $1500, then resell it after a year and repeat the cycle. 77” is too expensive to do so, so maybe you are better with a z9d
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hehe, it does look a bit crazy when you first experience this, but I think it's simple once you understand the logic. Here's how I understand it, based on my experience the past week:

1 - the TV has 2 setting GROUPS - one for HDR/Dolby Vision content, and one for SDR content
1a - choose Cinema for HDR/Dolby Vision, and, unless your eyes hurt from the brightness, leave the oled light and contrast at 100, because the tone mapping sent by the content expects those settings in order to work properly. Personally, I often reduce oled light because it's crazy bright for me.
1b - choose ISF Dark mode for SDR content
1c - choose Game mode when playing games (both setting groups have Game mode available)

2 - the TV switches to the setting you chose the last time you used the specific input, but

3 - since the same input can be fed different signals (e.g. the Xbox can (a) play SDR video, (b) play HDR video and (c) play a video game), the TV recognises the signal coming in and switches to the appropriate mode (that is, the mode chosen the last time you played the same content).
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Thanks, that helps.
This is a great summary from Andreas. The only thing I'll add, since you mentioned using an X1X, is that when ALLM and VRR are both checked on your X1X, this forces the TV into instant game response mode (different than the Game picture setting) for almost everything. I wrote about it all on the X1X thread if you are interested: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/141-x...l#post58247864
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It's come down to a 75 Z9D or 77 C9. I just can't stop agonizing over the decision. I've been saving forever and I'd hate to make the wrong choice. I don't have the money to replace a TV every 4-5 years. Burn in scares me. I know that this thing is organic, it is slowly wearing down at all times. But I also know it is absolutely gorgeous. I understand that burn in is a cumulative effect. That given enough cumulative time some pixels will fade faster than others. I do a fair amount of gaming, most days 3-4 hours, on the weekends sometimes more than that. Other static content would be menus streaming from Plex, and Netflix. Rest of the use would be 4K movies. Most posts I read are from people with C7s or C8s that say they do all these things but don't have any burn in and others say they do. I'm curious if it's just the fact that the hours on the TV haven't reached high enough to start to see any ill effects. I know that last year and this year have a larger red subpixel to try and alleviate burn in and that they have the logo dimming feature to try and also aid with avoiding burn in. I don't have the ability to use it in a dedicated theater room, it would be for all my TV related usage. I would feel better if burn in was covered in the manufacturers warranty, surely they know it's an issue. I don't have enough money to pay for the Best Buy warranty which is the only one that covers burn in. Does all of this just put the OLED out of reach for me? Are there other things I'm not considering when thinking about the good or bad of OLED?
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lol what? It’s gonna take a lot longer than 1 year’s usage to degrade your panel enough that you could ever tell.
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This is a great summary from Andreas. The only thing I'll add, since you mentioned using an X1X, is that when ALLM and VRR are both checked on your X1X, this forces the TV into instant game response mode (different than the Game picture setting) for almost everything. I wrote about it all on the X1X thread if you are interested: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/141-x...l#post58247864
Also a great post! Thank you.
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It's come down to a 75 Z9D or 77 C9. I just can't stop agonizing over the decision. I've been saving forever and I'd hate to make the wrong choice. I don't have the money to replace a TV every 4-5 years. Burn in scares me. I know that this thing is organic, it is slowly wearing down at all times. But I also know it is absolutely gorgeous. I understand that burn in is a cumulative effect. That given enough cumulative time some pixels will fade faster than others. I do a fair amount of gaming, most days 3-4 hours, on the weekends sometimes more than that. Other static content would be menus streaming from Plex, and Netflix. Rest of the use would be 4K movies. Most posts I read are from people with C7s or C8s that say they do all these things but don't have any burn in and others say they do. I'm curious if it's just the fact that the hours on the TV haven't reached high enough to start to see any ill effects. I know that last year and this year have a larger red subpixel to try and alleviate burn in and that they have the logo dimming feature to try and also aid with avoiding burn in. I don't have the ability to use it in a dedicated theater room, it would be for all my TV related usage. I would feel better if burn in was covered in the manufacturers warranty, surely they know it's an issue. I don't have enough money to pay for the Best Buy warranty which is the only one that covers burn in. Does all of this just put the OLED out of reach for me? Are there other things I'm not considering when thinking about the good or bad of OLED?
Personally I won’t keep an oled more than a year due to the fear of panel degradation, especially when I watch lots of bright hdr contents and game a lot. I usually buy the cheapest newest 55” oled when the price goes down to around $1500, then resell it after a year and repeat the cycle. 77” is too expensive to do so, so maybe you are better with a z9d
lol what? It’s gonna take a lot longer than 1 year’s usage to degrade your panel enough that you could ever tell.
When I look at Rtings’s burn-in test, the red sub-pixel degrades to the point of burn-in after only 1500 hrs. 1 year with my usage of 10hrs/day will be 3600 hrs. I mean sure those hrs will not be all red but it’s alarming honestly. That’s just me though.
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