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It seems that the problem is indeed the receiver.



1. Have you tried turning off all OSD functions on the receiver?
2. What is your nvidia driver version? Update to the latest if possible.

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I'm not panicking. I essentially spent the whole freaking day trying to get this TV up and running, the majority of it is on this PC and TV setup. Called Onkyo US support 2times. Onkyo in Israel 3 times. LG us support, and the store I bought from. Tried countless steps and setting until my head hurts. I'm desperate for a solution but clueless on what to do next.

Onkyo blames it on my PC/LG. LG on PC/Onkyo. lol. Obviously my system isn't at fault here since it already worked on Samsung.



I already tried disabling arc, despite ARC being an audio thing and not video.

Turned it off again now as you said on either and both AV Rec and TV. Only lost audio control but not change with the video signal. Still stuck at 1080p DVI.

Like I said putting the AVR on standby, or connection directly or turning off Deep Color makes 4K 60 HZ appear - but isn't a solution at all obviously.

So the AVR itself (it's hardware) can produce it with LG or otherwise the standby passthrough wouldn't do 4K 60hz HDR. But if it's turned on it BUGS the signal connection it seems.



Everything worked on my KS8500 and same setup (1080Ti, Onkyo TXNR656). There's gotta be a solution here... Or is it a doomed to work with Onkyo and LG...

I spent a great deal of hard earned saved money on a super high end, best of the best OLED TV....that can't do 4K 60hz and HDR for me...



EDIT: Just wanted to add is that I bought this TV with 4K HDR Gaming in mind - So not getting HDR games is a huge blow. That's why I have to get this to work with DEEP COLOR.
I understand your frustrations, have you tried to see if there is a firmware update for your receiver?

I don't use my PC on my C9, but I have hdr working with all settings and I run through an avr.

I'm sure someone will chime in with some other ideas.

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Link to LG C8PUA Firmware https://www.lg.com/us/support-produc...5C8PUA#manuals
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Hello everyone, I bought my LG C9 A week ago and there is no way that Dolby Atmos can pass from the TV via eARC to my receiver, when I use the Netflix app for example and configure to use the TV's internal speakers Dolby Atmos, but when I select ARC / eARC to send the audio to my AVR it only happens in Dolby 5.1, even in the Netflix app the Dolby Atmos option no longer appears when configuring ARC. I have a Yamaha aventage 2080 receiver with eARC support
Did you try with ARC on but eARC off? The Netflix app should pass Atmos over plain ARC but is known not to work over eARC.
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I'm not panicking. I essentially spent the whole freaking day trying to get this TV up and running, the majority of it is on this PC and TV setup. Called Onkyo US support 2times. Onkyo in Israel 3 times. LG us support, and the store I bought from. Tried countless steps and setting until my head hurts. I'm desperate for a solution but clueless on what to do next.

Onkyo blames it on my PC/LG. LG on PC/Onkyo. lol. Obviously my system isn't at fault here since it already worked on Samsung.



I already tried disabling arc, despite ARC being an audio thing and not video.

Turned it off again now as you said on either and both AV Rec and TV. Only lost audio control but not change with the video signal. Still stuck at 1080p DVI.

Like I said putting the AVR on standby, or connection directly or turning off Deep Color makes 4K 60 HZ appear - but isn't a solution at all obviously.

So the AVR itself (it's hardware) can produce it with LG or otherwise the standby passthrough wouldn't do 4K 60hz HDR. But if it's turned on it BUGS the signal connection it seems.



Everything worked on my KS8500 and same setup (1080Ti, Onkyo TXNR656). There's gotta be a solution here... Or is it a doomed to work with Onkyo and LG...

I spent a great deal of hard earned saved money on a super high end, best of the best OLED TV....that can't do 4K 60hz and HDR for me... <img src="https://www.avsforum.com/forum/images/AVSForum/smilies/tango_face_sad.png" border="0" alt="" title="Frown" class="inlineimg" />



EDIT: Just wanted to add is that I bought this TV with 4K HDR Gaming in mind - So not getting HDR games is a huge blow. That's why I have to get this to work with DEEP COLOR.
I understand your frustrations, have you tried to see if there is a firmware update for your receiver?

I don't use my PC on my C9, but I have hdr working with all settings and I run through an avr.

I'm sure someone will chime in with some other ideas.

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Yeah it seems to work with the PS4Pro but not pc-avr-tv combo. Not sure why.


Also I tried connecting Directly to TV in hdmi 1 and send audio back with ARC from HDMI 2 TO AVR, but it didn't work with surround. Not sure what I'm doing or setting wrong if anything. The TV sends a 2.0 Stereo signal only. So the PC sound settings can only do 2.0 not full surround 5.1 which is what I have. Always had that problem when not passing through the device audio/video.
Any idea why?
Beginning to think it's impossible for TVs to send 5.1 sound via ARC if the other devices aren't connected directly to an AVR

(I wanted this as a temporary workaround)...

Didn't have time to adjust the colors and find good caliberations. One thing I didn't like so far and not sure how to remedy is the overall dimness of the colors (not light issues), everything feels so warm, brown/red/yellow in the presets. Even after tweaking many images seems too dark like someone changed.the contrast or viewed from a dark tinted filter.
For instance the DMC5 symbol looked more purple than blue & red.
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Prerequisites for Atmos:

An Atmos source (Netflix is great for that),

An Atmos capable system. Either the integrated speakers (which are quite bad), a soundbar or an external receiver that is Atmos-enabled,

For the Atmos to work from Netflix to the receiver, you will need to use the HDMI ARC (CEC has to be on) and select it as the default output.



What to do if Atmos is not working with an AVR / receiver?

Powercycle your devices (TV and receiver)

Ensure that the HDMI ARC is selected as default wih Digital Sound set to Auto and Simplink (HDMI CEC) on and that you use the HDMI2 hdmi slot on your TV.

Ensure you have the latest firmware and Netflix app version.

Ensure that your receiver is set to "direct" (for Denon & Marantz that how it's called), which means that no format conversion of the input signal is made.

Turn AV Sync adjustments to off.

Turn your AVR on before your TV.

If it still doesn't work, reset your AV settings by pressing 3 times the mute button on your LG remote control and click on the "AV reset" button. In my case this has solved the issue.



What to do if Atmos is not working with a soundbar?

Try all the steps above.

Powercycle your devices (TV and soundbar).

Switch off Dolby Atmos setting on your tv and see if HDMI ARC passes through Dolby Atmos to the soundbar. Notes: Dolby Atmos set to "on" can lead to choppy sound; Atmos will passthrough to the soundbar on Netflix even if the app doesn't show the info.
Thank you for your response, I think I have done all of the above, I would miss the following, I will get to try when I get home.

"If it still doesn't work, reset your AV settings by pressing 3 times the mute button on your LG remote control and click on the "AV reset" button. In my case this has solved the issue."

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Did you try with ARC on but eARC off? The Netflix app should pass Atmos over plain ARC but is known not to work over eARC.
I have not tried this, I will see if it works.

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I have 65C7 mounted on OTW420b. I'm planning to upgrade to 77C9. would it be safe to keep the same mount
OTW420b max load is 70 lbs, TV is I believe 69.5 lbs
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Yeah it seems to work with the PS4Pro but not pc-avr-tv combo. Not sure why.


Also I tried connecting Directly to TV in hdmi 1 and send audio back with ARC from HDMI 2 TO AVR, but it didn't work with surround. Not sure what I'm doing or setting wrong if anything. The TV sends a 2.0 Stereo signal only. So the PC sound settings can only do 2.0 not full surround 5.1 which is what I have. Always had that problem when not passing through the device audio/video.
Any idea why?
Beginning to think it's impossible for TVs to send 5.1 sound via ARC if the other devices aren't connected directly to an AVR

(I wanted this as a temporary workaround)...

Didn't have time to adjust the colors and find good caliberations. One thing I didn't like so far and not sure how to remedy is the overall dimness of the colors (not light issues), everything feels so warm, brown/red/yellow in the presets. Even after tweaking many images seems too dark like someone changed.the contrast or viewed from a dark tinted filter.
For instance the DMC5 symbol looked more purple than blue & red.
have you set up the audio as 5.1 in windows? I have a denon avr but for me I had to go right-click on the volume icon in the bottom right corner of the taskbar in windows and then select 'speaker setup' then go through the steps to set it as 5.1. Then I know it's working if in my avr I have the 'Multi Ch In' option available in the AVR.
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I have 65C7 mounted on OTW420b. I'm planning to upgrade to 77C9. would it be safe to keep the same mount
OTW420b max load is 70 lbs, TV is I believe 69.5 lbs
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Most of the time the mount is not going to fail, it would be the way it was hung. You got that mount bolted into studs? If so I would not be worried as the weight was within spec.
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The difference between sdr and hdr is obvious even at 1440/120hz. You absolutely must set your picture settings differently between them too. I find that in HDR brightness at 50 didn't give me true 0 black. 49 does. In SDR 51 does. So do your settings accordingly, they don't translate to the same numbers or even options between SDR and HDR.
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Hi fellaz, looking for some information on the C9, specifically aiming towards competitive PC FPS gaming.

I currently use an E6(2016) for a max of 60Hz gaming but have been looking at getting a proper PC gaming monitor for its higher frequency and lower input lag. But I can't stand the inferior quality of all the PC monitors screens and panels look like in comparison to my current Oled TV. Graphics quality is so much more solid and realistic on the oled TV compared to the weak and soft image on even the high end PC monitors.

With that said has anyone here tested PC gaming 1440P @ 120 Hz on the C9 please share their experience with me? How was the overall response and quality at this speed? Any issues or quality issues?

Is it a viable option for competitive PC gaming. If the C9 is really 6.9ms (RTINGS) input lag on 1440p @ 120Hz, that is already like high end PC monitor specs. So rather than me spending money on a PC monitor that looks crap compared to an Oled screen, I am thinking of just getting a C9 and calling it a day.

Please share your thoughts with me, thank you!

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Hi fellaz, looking for some information on the C9, specigically aiming towards competative PC FPS gaming.

I currently use an E6(2016) for a max of 60Hz gaming but have been looking at getting a proper PC gaming monitor for its higher frequency and lower input lag. But I can't stand the inferior quality of all the PC monitors screens and panels look like in comparison to my current Oled TV. Graphics quality is so much more solid and realistic on the oled TV compared to the weak and soft image on even the high end PC monitors.

With that said has anyone here tested PC gaming 1440P @ 120 Hz on the C9 please share their experience with me? How was the overall response and quality at this speed? Any issues or quality issues?

Is it a viable option for competative PC gaming. If the C9 is really 6.9ms (RTINGS) input lag on 1440p @ 120Hz, that is already like high end PC monitor specs. So rather than me spending money on a PC monitor that looks crap compared to an Oled screen, I am thinking of just getting a C9 and calling it a day.

Please share your thoughts with me, thank you!
Depends on how you define competitive. No tournament will be using 55” TVs or larger. They all use 24-27” monitors.

If your just a casual gamer that likes fps games then yea this TV is awesome. I haven’t tested out the input lag but my experience is that it’s the best input lag on any TV I have used before at 60hz and 120hz. So I’d say rtings numbers feel accurate. No real issues with the TV at all and really shines for gaming.
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Most of the time the mount is not going to fail, it would be the way it was hung. You got that mount bolted into studs? If so I would not be worried as the weight was within spec.
Thanks for your input
I hope more 77C9 will tell me how their TV is mounted and what mount they are using
Thx anyway
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Depends on how you define competitive. No tournament will be using 55” TVs or larger. They all use 24-27” monitors.

If your just a casual gamer that likes fps games then yea this TV is awesome. I haven’t tested out the input lag but my experience is that it’s the best input lag on any TV I have used before at 60hz and 120hz. So I’d say rtings numbers feel accurate. No real issues with the TV at all and really shines for gaming.
Thank you for your response.

Well when I say competitive, I mean I want to be able to have a display that is blisteringly quick enough to play at a high level, I am not neccessarily aiming to enter tournaments or so.

Anyways, after gaming on a 55" E6 I just can't fathem the idea of switching to a smaller monitor for better response and input lag. I would only switch to a smaller screen in the gaming comitor market if it absolutely gave me an egde for high level fps gaming.

Thats why the C9 specs seem unreal. 6.7ms and 120Hz. That is pretty much what the high level gaming monitor specs are like. Yea I know they got 144-200hz, but I rekon 120Hz should be plenty for me.

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Do you experience any screen glitching/issues when you gamed 1440p @ 120Hz? I heard some user on reddit post something about that on their C9.
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I'm not panicking. I essentially spent the whole freaking day trying to get this TV up and running, the majority of it is on this PC and TV setup. Called Onkyo US support 2times. Onkyo in Israel 3 times. LG us support, and the store I bought from. Tried countless steps and setting until my head hurts. I'm desperate for a solution but clueless on what to do next.
Onkyo blames it on my PC/LG. LG on PC/Onkyo. lol. Obviously my system isn't at fault here since it already worked on Samsung.

I already tried disabling arc, despite ARC being an audio thing and not video.
Turned it off again now as you said on either and both AV Rec and TV. Only lost audio control but not change with the video signal. Still stuck at 1080p DVI.
Like I said putting the AVR on standby, or connection directly or turning off Deep Color makes 4K 60 HZ appear - but isn't a solution at all obviously.
So the AVR itself (it's hardware) can produce it with LG or otherwise the standby passthrough wouldn't do 4K 60hz HDR. But if it's turned on it BUGS the signal connection it seems.

Everything worked on my KS8500 and same setup (1080Ti, Onkyo TXNR656). There's gotta be a solution here... Or is it a doomed to work with Onkyo and LG...
I spent a great deal of hard earned saved money on a super high end, best of the best OLED TV....that can't do 4K 60hz and HDR for me...

EDIT: Just wanted to add is that I bought this TV with 4K HDR Gaming in mind - So not getting HDR games is a huge blow. That's why I have to get this to work with DEEP COLOR.
nevermind, no idea

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6.7 ms is less than a frame at 120hz. There's no way you'll be able to tell a difference between anything lower. It's basically instant. You shouldn't worry about anything with less than 8.3ms at 120hz. Unless you have extreme input sensitivity which I highly doubt, you aren't going to tell. If you do, may as well save money and get a 240hz 1080p display if you think you have pro level super human input sensitivity.

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have you set up the audio as 5.1 in windows? I have a denon avr but for me I had to go right-click on the volume icon in the bottom right corner of the taskbar in windows and then select 'speaker setup' then go through the steps to set it as 5.1. Then I know it's working if in my avr I have the 'Multi Ch In' option available in the AVR.
Yes I tried many times, it won't work no matter what. (plugged PC to TV HDMI 1 and HDMI2 with cable to AVR HDMI out).
Windows sound settings (speaker setup) detects the TV and AVR as "TV Speakers". IT will ONLY do 2.0 Stereo - but instead of the TV speakers - will use the 2 front Speakers I have plugged into the AVR.
No matter what I did - I can't bypass the AV-R.
Windows insist to display only 2 speakers, no options to choose from, because I don't have the PC connected directly through the AV-Receiver. This was always an issue with every TV I had (even with Optical btw). Seems the TV doesn't know to tell the PC it needs 5.1 or it simply can't do 5.1 surround.

Do you need to have specific settings? Or did you plug through AVR?


So I have 2 major issues now:
1) Connecting PC to and through AVR and into TV - I can't get 4K 60HZ and HDR with Deep Color ON.
a) Receiver on standby: it works 4K 60HZ HDR.
b) Connected directly to TV: it works.
c) connected through AVR and disabling Deep Color (which is absolute must have): it works.

I don't understand why my AVR insist to send a 1080p DVI signal when it's virtually impossible for it to do so, and only with this TV.

2) I can't do a workaround, "alternative" or even temporary solution - because I can't plug the PC directly into the TV and send Audio back in ARC and still get full surround 5.1.
Windows only does 2 speaker stereo. Even the Atmos App option won't work. Tried different Sound Settings in the C9 - but still shows "TV Speakers" and Stereo 2.0.
I heard many people doing BYPASS and sending audio only back with ARC (not passing through AVR) - but it never works for me. Ideas?

I really really need help guys, and it's quite urgent because I might need to return the TV.
Also the service lab for Onkyo tells me it will take up to 10 days at to check - they are quite trash it seems.

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Yes I tried many times, it won't work no matter what. (plugged PC to TV HDMI 1 and HDMI2 with cable to AVR HDMI out).
Windows sound settings (speaker setup) detects the TV and AVR as "TV Speakers". IT will ONLY do 2.0 Stereo - but instead of the TV speakers - will use the 2 front Speakers I have plugged into the AVR.
No matter what I did - I can't bypass the AV-R.
Windows insist to display only 2 speakers, no options to choose from, because I don't have the PC connected directly through the AV-Receiver. This was always an issue with every TV I had (even with Optical btw). Seems the TV doesn't know to tell the PC it needs 5.1 or it simply can't do 5.1 surround.

Do you need to have specific settings? Or did you plug through AVR?


So I have 2 major issues now:
1) Connecting PC to and through AVR and into TV - I can't get 4K 60HZ and HDR with Deep Color ON.
a) Receiver on standby: it works 4K 60HZ HDR.
b) Connected directly to TV: it works.
c) connected through AVR and disabling Deep Color (which is absolute must have): it works.

I don't understand why my AVR insist to send a 1080p DVI signal when it's virtually impossible for it to do so, and only with this TV.

2) I can't do a workaround, "alternative" or even temporary solution - because I can't plug the PC directly into the TV and send Audio back in ARC and still get full surround 5.1.
Windows only does 2 speaker stereo. Even the Atmos App option won't work. Tried different Sound Settings in the C9 - but still shows "TV Speakers" and Stereo 2.0.
I heard many people doing BYPASS and sending audio only back with ARC (not passing through AVR) - but it never works for me. Ideas?

I really really need help guys, and it's quite urgent because I might need to return the TV.
Also the service lab for Onkyo tells me it will take up to 10 days at to check - they are quite trash it seems.

Just return the TV and get a refund.
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Yes I tried many times, it won't work no matter what. (plugged PC to TV HDMI 1 and HDMI2 with cable to AVR HDMI out).
Windows sound settings (speaker setup) detects the TV and AVR as "TV Speakers". IT will ONLY do 2.0 Stereo - but instead of the TV speakers - will use the 2 front Speakers I have plugged into the AVR.
No matter what I did - I can't bypass the AV-R.
Windows insist to display only 2 speakers, no options to choose from, because I don't have the PC connected directly through the AV-Receiver. This was always an issue with every TV I had (even with Optical btw). Seems the TV doesn't know to tell the PC it needs 5.1 or it simply can't do 5.1 surround.

Do you need to have specific settings? Or did you plug through AVR?


So I have 2 major issues now:
1) Connecting PC to and through AVR and into TV - I can't get 4K 60HZ and HDR with Deep Color ON.
a) Receiver on standby: it works 4K 60HZ HDR.
b) Connected directly to TV: it works.
c) connected through AVR and disabling Deep Color (which is absolute must have): it works.

I don't understand why my AVR insist to send a 1080p DVI signal when it's virtually impossible for it to do so, and only with this TV.

2) I can't do a workaround, "alternative" or even temporary solution - because I can't plug the PC directly into the TV and send Audio back in ARC and still get full surround 5.1.
Windows only does 2 speaker stereo. Even the Atmos App option won't work. Tried different Sound Settings in the C9 - but still shows "TV Speakers" and Stereo 2.0.
I heard many people doing BYPASS and sending audio only back with ARC (not passing through AVR) - but it never works for me. Ideas?

I really really need help guys, and it's quite urgent because I might need to return the TV.
Also the service lab for Onkyo tells me it will take up to 10 days at to check - they are quite trash it seems.

Just return the TV and get a refund.
I don't want to give up just yet! You are basically saying you can never go OLED...
I was so hyped to get this TV AND researched different TVs for weeks...
Especially after all this hard work, saving money and suffering getting this TV, and trying to get it up and running with 4K HDR.

Anyone knows at least how to get 5.1 bypass with TV: meaning by connecting the PC directly to the TV and TV with ARC to AV-Receiver - and still getting it to do proper 5.1 home theater surround?
(Because it insists to show 2.0).
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Received my 65" C9 earlier today. I have a few questions:


1. Since LG got rid of the internal color filter for the 2019 models, what's a good alternative, if any? I used to achieve really good (amateur) calibration results with the blue color filter enabled, now I'm at a loss;


2. I'm noticing some slight picture overscan, mainly on the right side of the screen, which is definitely cropped in test pictures (using an Apple TV 4K and an Nvidia Shield) and on my PC running Windows 10.

The left side of the screen is also a bit cropped, but less than the opposite one, which makes it impossible to manually adjust the screen size on the streaming boxes (not an option on PC, AFAIK).

The PC is connected to HDMI 1 on the TV, and the streaming boxes are connected to HDMI 2 (via a Denon AVR-X4400H, using both HDMI outs). Aspect Ratio is set to 16:9 and Just Scan is turned on for all inputs. This never happened on my 55" B7 and C8;


3. My TV's currently on firmware 03.50.27, with 03.60.19 available for upgrade. Should I do it? I couldn't find many reports on this thread with regards to reliability or broken features (I suffered enough during the first couple years of the B7);


4. 120Hz does not show up as an option when selecting 2560x1440 (1440p) on Nvidia Control Panel (I have a 1080 Ti). It does for 1080p, which was already possible on my previous sets. What gives?


Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance!

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Hi fellaz, looking for some information on the C9, specifically aiming towards competitive PC FPS gaming.

I currently use an E6(2016) for a max of 60Hz gaming but have been looking at getting a proper PC gaming monitor for its higher frequency and lower input lag. But I can't stand the inferior quality of all the PC monitors screens and panels look like in comparison to my current Oled TV. Graphics quality is so much more solid and realistic on the oled TV compared to the weak and soft image on even the high end PC monitors.

With that said has anyone here tested PC gaming 1440P @ 120 Hz on the C9 please share their experience with me? How was the overall response and quality at this speed? Any issues or quality issues?

Is it a viable option for competitive PC gaming. If the C9 is really 6.9ms (RTINGS) input lag on 1440p @ 120Hz, that is already like high end PC monitor specs. So rather than me spending money on a PC monitor that looks crap compared to an Oled screen, I am thinking of just getting a C9 and calling it a day.

Please share your thoughts with me, thank you!
The LG C9 is not quite as snappy as my 144Hz TN panel. I can immediately notice the difference when I switch back and start moving the mouse cursor on the desktop. However, it is still very good and I would recommend it to all PC gamers who play FPS games. I'm very picky about things like input lag, and I'm extremely happy with my C9, so I can't see anyone regretting the purchase. Given the large image quality differential between the two, I would say the C9 is far superior for single player FPS games. Of course, even for non-competitive gaming lower input lag is more appealing aesthetically - it just feels great when the movements on screen mirror your hand instead of feeling slightly behind.

Now for competitive games, I'd say it depends how competitive. When you make a sudden flick of the wrist, you need the crosshairs on screen to update as quickly as possible so you can evaluate what additional hand movements are required to get the crosshair where it needs to be. With higher input lag, it feels like you have to wait a moment for the screen to update before you can see whether you've overshot the target or not moved far enough. It does have an effect on your performance. I've played CS:GO on my C9 and had no problems at all and thoroughly enjoyed it. But if I seriously wanted to get the best ranking I possibly could on the competitive servers, I'd go with a 240HZ TN panel.

Also keep in mind that because the C9 doesn't have a strobing backlight at full refresh like TN gaming monitors, it won't achieve the same motion clarity, despite its almost instant response time (due to sample and hold).
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6.7 ms is less than a frame at 120hz. There's no way you'll be able to tell a difference between anything lower. It's basically instant. You shouldn't worry about anything with less than 8.3ms at 120hz. Unless you have extreme input sensitivity which I highly doubt, you aren't going to tell. If you do, may as well save money and get a 240hz 1080p display if you think you have pro level super human input sensitivity.
6.7ms might sound small to you, but it's actually a long time when you are making a sudden movement with your wrist and expecting the cursor on screen to mirror your hand. It's absolutely noticeable. But I agree that most people will be extremely happy with the input lag of the C9. It's a small price to pay for the vastly superior image quality over a TN gaming monitor.
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Thank you for your response.

Well when I say competitive, I mean I want to be able to have a display that is blisteringly quick enough to play at a high level, I am not neccessarily aiming to enter tournaments or so.

Anyways, after gaming on a 55" E6 I just can't fathem the idea of switching to a smaller monitor for better response and input lag. I would only switch to a smaller screen in the gaming comitor market if it absolutely gave me an egde for high level fps gaming.

Thats why the C9 specs seem unreal. 6.7ms and 120Hz. That is pretty much what the high level gaming monitor specs are like. Yea I know they got 144-200hz, but I rekon 120Hz should be plenty for me.

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Do you experience any screen glitching/issues when you gamed 1440p @ 120Hz? I heard some user on reddit post something about that on their C9.
I've encountered no glitches or issues when using [email protected] It looks great and much sharper than 1080p, though presumably not quite as sharp as a native 1440p monitor as it's a non-native resolution on the C9.

I'd say the higher input lag of the C9 over a TN gaming panel will have only a small impact on your performance in CS GO, unless you are playing at a very high level.
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6.7ms might sound small to you, but it's actually a long time when you are making a sudden movement with your wrist and expecting the cursor on screen to mirror your hand. It's absolutely noticeable. But I agree that most people will be extremely happy with the input lag of the C9. It's a small price to pay for the vastly superior image quality over a TN gaming monitor.

I've been gaming for years. Twitchy game, casual gaming, etc. I absolutely know what good input lag is what bad input lag is. If you are complaining about 6.7ms of input lag, you must be the greatest pro player in the history of the world. That is essentially INSTANT. It's not a 240hz tn panel, but you'll be surprised how fast you adapt to the change.
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I've been gaming for years. Twitchy game, casual gaming, etc. I absolutely know what good input lag is what bad input lag is. If you are complaining about 6.7ms of input lag, you must be the greatest pro player in the history of the world. That is essentially INSTANT.
No, it's not instant. I can tell the difference quite easily. And the difference will have an impact on performance for serious CS GO players. The vast majority of consumers will not care about the difference.

I don't see any point in arguing about this.
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No, it's not instant. I can tell the difference quite easily. And the difference will have an impact on performance for serious CS GO players. The vast majority of consumers will not care about the difference.

I don't see any point in arguing about this.
If that minute difference is a dealbreaker, then don't get the C9. It doesn't get better than this from a TV, so stick with the faster, but ugly looking TN panels.

I can definitely adapt to the change well enough, and don't see the small ms difference enough to truly make you better or worse at a game other than at the highest level. Human input response time is much, much longer than a few ms here.

But hey, do you.
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If that minute difference is a dealbreaker, then don't get the C9. It doesn't get better than this from a TV, so stuck with the fast, but ugly looking TN panels.
I've hated LCD panels ever since my professional graphics CRT died and I had to switch over. The low contrast washed-out look vs the vibrant colors on a CRT, and the motion blur. Although, they are sharper and therefore more detailed than a CRT. I was excited when I learned about an OLED TV with really low input lag, and bought the C9. It's like the best of both worlds - vibrant colours and deep blacks just like a CRT, but with the sharpness of an LCD. Unfortunately, the crystal clear motion we used to get on CRTs is still missing, because of the sample and hold effect. So we don't quite have the perfect display just yet. But I'm really happy with it anyway.
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I grew up with CRTs all my life, then went plasma, and now OLED is as close to the getting to those two dead technologies. Though with OLED, I need bfi to break the sample and hold and give me a true feeling of being like a plasma or CRT. It ain't quite there yet, but it's good enough for me.
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I will say however that the BFI on the newer Vizios is so sharp and bright that it really looks like a CRT in motion. I had a Quantum X for a few days, and the BFI mode was so sharp and perfect, all that TV was missing was the viewing angles and better dimming in terms of haloing. It's crazy how good LCD bfi is nowadays, ESPECIALLY on displays as bright as the quantum X. The black levels were also so good I wouldn't have been mad going from an OLED to that one. We're finally at a point that a good LCD can compete in black levels. Not *quite*, but man, so close.

I just couldn't get over the haloing which to me looked worse than my 2016 P series from Vizio which had less dimming zones but didn't halo like that.

But yeah if it wasn't for the OLEDs, I probably would've stuck with that set.
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Received my 65" C9 earlier today. I have a few questions:


1. Since LG got rid of the internal color filter for the 2019 models, what's a good alternative, if any? I used to achieve really good (amateur) calibration results with the blue color filter enabled, now I'm at a loss;


2. I'm noticing some slight picture overscan, mainly on the right side of the screen, which is definitely cropped in test pictures (using an Apple TV 4K and an Nvidia Shield) and on my PC running Windows 10.

The left side of the screen is also a bit cropped, but less than the opposite one, which makes it impossible to manually adjust the screen size on the streaming boxes (not an option on PC, AFAIK).

The PC is connected to HDMI 1 on the TV, and the streaming boxes are connected to HDMI 2 (via a Denon AVR-X4400H, using both HDMI outs). Aspect Ratio is set to 16:9 and Just Scan is turned on for all inputs. This never happened on my 55" B7 and C8;


3. My TV's currently on firmware 03.50.27, with 03.60.19 available for upgrade. Should I do it? I couldn't find many reports on this thread with regards to reliability or broken features (I suffered enough during the first couple years of the B7);


4. 120Hz does not show up as an option when selecting 2560x1440 (1440p) on Nvidia Control Panel (I have a 1080 Ti). It does for 1080p, which was already possible on my previous sets. What gives?


Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Edited to add #4 .
1) Most everyone is shying away from that blue filter as it is not a reliable form of calibration. Either pro calibrate or buy an iD3 or C6 meter and LG Home Calibration from Portrait Display if you want accuracy. OOTB these sets are some of the most accurate OLED's yet.

2) That overscan is being caused by the Panel shift function under oled panel settings - like plasmas used to have - it will shift the screen several pixels periodically in an attempt to reduce burn in. I turned that off as I dislike any overscan. It's in the same area of settings as clear panel noise, and the logo dimming feature.

3) I have no complaints with the firmware and have not seen any here either

4) There are several posts a few pages back where some people had to add a custom resolution for 1440p 120Hz, I think I got it to show up on the control panel when switching around color spaces or bit depth. A few others have been playing with that more and may have a better answer.

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