2019 C9–E9 Owner's Thread (No Price Talk) - Page 206 - AVS Forum

fenster3000 · 09-06-2019, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Andreas Moyseos

Any great HDR/Dolby Vision movies or shows to try and enjoy this tv instead of spending my time writing about it in forums?

My recommendation: Bladerunner 2049 - make sure to watch in HDR. Netflix only has it in 4k, at least in my region.

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Interstellar looks really awesome.
Native 4K, No DV but of course HDR 10.

From what I have heard Godzilla II is also really good.
It is not available in Germany just yet. So I am not able to watch it on my C9.
But in some other countries it is available.

Planet Earth II probably is another example. In terms of quality it probably is one of the best UHD BRs out there.

Big Shmooz · 09-06-2019, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 1080pee

My bad, I meant back, of course I saw the front screen protector. But yes, thanks to the pics in this thread I found the plastic on the back, would have never seen it.

Ahh...

Baff · 09-06-2019, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticusf

Ah, thanks. I could do the 65" B9. I admit I'm not a hardcore enthusiast like most of you guys, so prob wouldn't notice differences from the C9. But just out of curiosity, what are they?

It has been a while since I was comparing the two, but from what I remember, the main difference is the processor. So the motion processing may not be quite as good (just at a guess I'd say the B9 is likely on par with the C8 for processing? Not sure if anyone has done any serious side-by-side comparisons). Not sure if there was anything else. Maybe the speakers are a few watts less?

Cleveland Plasma · 09-06-2019, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Baff

You might also consider a 65" B9. The differences between the C9 and the B9 would probably be pretty minor to you.

Ya know whats interesting, dealer cost is about the same on the B9 and C9

Baff · 09-06-2019, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma

Ya know whats interesting, dealer cost is about the same on the B9 and C9

Not too surprising considering that the B9 came out like 6 months after the C9. That seemed like an odd decision from the beginning to me. I understand that should help boost early C9 sales, but why even bother releasing the B9 at all?

1080pee · 09-06-2019, 11:33 PM

Finally got around to trying some 30 FPS gaming on the C9. I was avoiding it because I was scared of how blurry it would look. My friend has a B6 and when he got it we tried some games, it was really distracting. I wrote of OLED 3 years ago because of it.

I don't know what changed but it was surprisingly amazing! As a plasma owner I had no problems with it. 30 fps by nature is juddery but for what it is I am really impressed. 60 FPS games look insane that goes without saying but its funny that I wrote the tech off and it was a non issue.

Andreas Moyseos · 09-07-2019, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 1080pee

Finally got around to trying some 30 FPS gaming on the C9. I was avoiding it because I was scared of how blurry it would look. My friend has a B6 and when he got it we tried some games, it was really distracting. I wrote of OLED 3 years ago because of it.

I don't know what changed but it was surprisingly amazing! As a plasma owner I had no problems with it. 30 fps by nature is juddery but for what it is I am really impressed. 60 FPS games look insane that goes without saying but its funny that I wrote the tech off and it was a non issue.

Did you have BFI on? I hear it helps low fps games.

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Yukon Trooper · 09-07-2019, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 1080pee

Finally got around to trying some 30 FPS gaming on the C9. I was avoiding it because I was scared of how blurry it would look. My friend has a B6 and when he got it we tried some games, it was really distracting. I wrote of OLED 3 years ago because of it.

Probably because the B6 refreshes at 60Hz vs. 120Hz on newer OLEDs.

PissedOffPeoN · 09-07-2019, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by fenster3000

Interstellar looks really awesome.
Native 4K, No DV but of course HDR 10.

From what I have heard Godzilla II is also really good.
It is not available in Germany just yet. So I am not able to watch it on my C9.
But in some other countries it is available.

Planet Earth II probably is another example. In terms of quality it probably is one of the best UHD BRs out there.

Aquaman, Ready player one, Mission Impossible Fallout, Shutter Island.. i like that disk alot

. For Dolby Vision.

justvodka · 09-07-2019, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by fenster3000

Interstellar looks really awesome.

Native 4K, No DV but of course HDR 10.

From what I have heard Godzilla II is also really good.

It is not available in Germany just yet. So I am not able to watch it on my C9.

But in some other countries it is available.

Planet Earth II probably is another example. In terms of quality it probably is one of the best UHD BRs out there.

Immortal Engines is an awesome UHD bluray to test the C9.
I think the movie itself sucks, but it looks stunning, super sharp. It was shot in 8k and mastered in 8k/4k.
It has Dolby Vision with full enhancement layer.

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Atticusf · 09-07-2019, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Andreas Moyseos

The general idea would be to sit far enough so you don't see pixels, and near enough to get the home cinema vibe without getting dizzy.

Try the rtings calculator.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by...e-relationship

On 4k content, you can't see pixels even from a foot away. So basically you sit as near as you can handle it! :-)

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Originally Posted by Baff

It has been a while since I was comparing the two, but from what I remember, the main difference is the processor. So the motion processing may not be quite as good (just at a guess I'd say the B9 is likely on par with the C8 for processing? Not sure if anyone has done any serious side-by-side comparisons). Not sure if there was anything else. Maybe the speakers are a few watts less?

Thanks for info, guys. Added to my notes.

Baff · 09-07-2019, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Atticusf

Thanks for info, guys. Added to my notes.

I just took a look at the LG website and the 2 main differences between the B9 & C9 are the processor and the stand. The C9 comes with a new heavier metal stand. The B9 has a lighter plastic stand like last year's models.

Jrocker23 · 09-07-2019, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Baff

I just took a look at the LG website and the 2 main differences between the B9 & C9 are the processor and the stand. The C9 comes with a new heavier metal stand. The B9 has a lighter plastic stand like last year's models.

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Cleveland Plasma · 09-07-2019, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Baff

Not too surprising considering that the B9 came out like 6 months after the C9. That seemed like an odd decision from the beginning to me. I understand that should help boost early C9 sales, but why even bother releasing the B9 at all?

I asked myself that last year

Balthazar Lin · 09-07-2019, 09:38 AM

Hello! As one can read here: www .rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c9-oled
"C9 uses 4 sub-pixels, but all 4 are never used at the same time"
Does it also mean that every pixel of 3840×2160 has one white subpixel? Ed est, are white pixels quantity 8294400?

1080pee · 09-07-2019, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Andreas Moyseos

Did you have BFI on? I hear it helps low fps games.

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No I left it off, was using it as a last resort but I'm more than happy with the 30fps content.

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Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper

Probably because the B6 refreshes at 60Hz vs. 120Hz on newer OLEDs.

Ah I didn't know that. Cool.

Btw games in 4k stand out more than movies in 4k relative to their 1080p modes imo. Maybe its due to the size increase going from 50 to 65". When you watch a lot of movies on a 50" tv you need 4k just to maintain the PPI value.

lujan · 09-07-2019, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jrocker23

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I'm confused because this reviewer and also rtings.com recommends "Expert Dark Room" for SDR Picture mode but on the Spears & Munsil thread they recommend "Cinema" for all sources (SDR, HDR10 and Dolby Vision)?

avernar · 09-07-2019, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Бальтазар Лин

Hello! As one can read here: www .rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c9-oled
"C9 uses 4 sub-pixels, but all 4 are never used at the same time"
Does it also mean that every pixel of 3840×2160 has one white subpixel? Ed est, are white pixels quantity 8294400?

Yes. There's a picture of the pixel structure on that page showing the white, red and blue pixels lit. And if you click on the alternative pixel photo link below it you can see the green one.

Jrocker23 · 09-07-2019, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by lujan

I'm confused because this reviewer and also rtings.com recommends "Expert Dark Room" for SDR Picture mode but on the Spears & Munsil thread they recommend "Cinema" for all sources (SDR, HDR10 and Dolby Vision)?

I only use Cinema for Dolby vision

If you look at Darko's calibration video, he shows you on the calibration graph that isf dark is almost exact to the scale

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helvetica bold · 09-07-2019, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Andreas Moyseos

Any great HDR/Dolby Vision movies or shows to try and enjoy this tv instead of spending my time writing about it in forums?

My recommendation: Bladerunner 2049 - make sure to watch in HDR. Netflix only has it in 4k, at least in my region.

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Dolby Vision Eye candy.
Pacific Rim, John Wick, Star Trek (new films via AppleTV) Aqua Man
On Netflix, Altered Carbon, will melt your eyes.

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b_rad4 · 09-07-2019, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by helvetica bold

Dolby Vision Eye candy.
Pacific Rim, John Wick, Star Trek (new films via AppleTV) Aqua Man
On Netflix, Altered Carbon, will melt your eyes.

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Watched John Wick 2 last night. Just not as same on the 55” as watching movies on the 65”. Really wish I could of gotten a decent one. I moved my couch right up to the Tv to compensate

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ConnecTEDDD · 09-07-2019, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Бальтазар Лин

Hello! As one can read here: www .rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c9-oled
"C9 uses 4 sub-pixels, but all 4 are never used at the same time"
Does it also mean that every pixel of 3840×2160 has one white subpixel? Ed est, are white pixels quantity 8294400?

Hi, WRGB OLED's have 4 sub-pixels, due to panel design, the additional W sub-pixel (unfiltered transmitting white light) while the the RGB sub-pixels are filtered.

After the whole video processing, the final video data 3x 10-bit (RGB) goes to a controller where its converting them to 4x 10-bit (WRGB) to drive the panel, but during that calculation one sub-pixel will be off, so all the times 3-subpixels light up. (one is always off).

This is happening to all LG OLED or all brands which are using panels from LG, from 2015 till now.

That type of displays with 4 primary colors called non-additive.

Normal/typical displays are RGB, so addictive, to generate White, the 3 sub-pixels (R,G,B) will light up.

avernar · 09-07-2019, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by helvetica bold

Dolby Vision Eye candy.
Pacific Rim

Is this streaming only for DV?

helvetica bold · 09-07-2019, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by avernar

Is this streaming only for DV?

Yes. One of the very best Dolby Vision titles.

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avernar · 09-07-2019, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by helvetica bold

Yes. One of the very best Dolby Vision titles.

I heard it was the best. But I don’t have access to a streaming service that has it.

Sucks that the disc version doesn’t have it as you’d gain HD audio as well.

avernar · 09-07-2019, 06:40 PM

Anyone get ATMOS out of the plex app?

helvetica bold · 09-07-2019, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by avernar

I heard it was the best. But I don’t have access to a streaming service that has it.

Sucks that the disc version doesn’t have it as you’d gain HD audio as well.

Apple 4K TV is worth it. Access to over 200 Dolby Vision titles. It’s a rumor that Apple will announce a hardware update on the 10th.

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avernar · 09-07-2019, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by helvetica bold

Apple 4K TV is worth it. Access to over 200 Dolby Vision titles. It’s a rumor that Apple will announce a hardware update on the 10th.

Pacific Rim is DV on Apple TV 4K? Sweet. Would have grabbed one for Plex a while ago but no bitstream passthrough. Will have to pick one up just for the DV library.

EeK9X · 09-07-2019, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ralstonm1285

Now everything is working correct just wanted to see if a solution was still being looked for or if I'm just late to the party.

I've read 30 pages of this forum so far but I still haven't found where someone solved this without resorting to multiple hdmi outputs or optical etc.

Can anyone confirm if this has been resolved previously??

I'd found a workaround a few days before your post, mentioned here. Full quote in the spoiler tag:

Spoiler!

An update to the issue of [email protected] not working through a 2017 Denon AVR (X4400H).

I figured that I'd have to override the EDID of either the TV or the AVR (which is "seen" as a display by the graphics drivers) in order to include the missing audio or video formats. Doing so for the TV seemed too involved, so I ended up using CRU (Custom Resolution Utility) to add a detailed resolution of 2560 x 1440 with a refresh rate of 120Hz to the DENON-AVRHD "display" (with the GPU connected through it).

After restarting the drivers, a new set of resolutions appeared under "PC", in the Nvidia Control Panel (just like it looked like to the X4200W user), including 2560 x 1440 at 120Hz.

As I mentioned here, that should not be necessary. If [email protected] works without requiring an EDID override on the X4200W, that means that Denon deliberately removed the information regarding that non-standard resolution from the X4400H. They're also most likely the sole responsible for the eARC incompatibility issue (the 2018 models receive the exact same update and work with the C9), as they were, in fact, the ones at fault regarding the ARC audio delay problem.

Lastly, that workaround is exclusive to PC, as it involves local changes to the registry and doesn't write anything to the actual devices. On Xbox One X, which also supports [email protected], ALLM and VRR, none of those features work with the console connected through the AVR - only when it's connected directly to the TV.

Denon has specifically said that ALLM was "added to all HDCP 2.2 compatible models of Denon AVRs" in a firmware update of August/September 2018. VRR should also be technically possible to passthrough (the Xbox is HDMI 2.0b, after all). Same with [email protected] (as evidenced by the PC scenario). However, nothing currently works.

I'd love to hear from other C9 and 2017 Denon owners about their experiences with PC and Xbox One X, especially trying to run [email protected], ALLM and VRR with those devices connected through the AVR.

You didn't mention exactly what steps you took to fix your issue, only that you added a custom resolution of [email protected] Was that through Nvidia Control Panel? Because I had to resort to CRU, since NVCP wouldn't allow me to create that specific resolution without first overriding the AVR's EDID.

Balthazar Lin · 09-08-2019, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ConnecTEDDD

but during that calculation one sub-pixel will be off,

Really? I do not think so. I mean the calculation are just done in the background, aren't they?

So, if we have just 255,255,255 (White) with 1000 nit, 500 nit, etc., does it mean that ONLY white Subpixel will be used, though with different luminance?

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