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In the case of black bars, I have a Galaxy S9 phone which has a wider aspect ratio than 16:9. I spend a LOT of time viewing 16:9 content, and in the case of full screen images that are solid colors, SOMETIMES you can see that the black bars are slightly different from the 16:9 area. I stress slightly because I'm just not that anal, and it's so rare to see.

As for the C9, I do plan on using it a LOT with black bars as I play lots of PC games in a 3840x1600 resolution giving it an Ultrawide presentation, so my top and bottom will look like movies. Why do I do this? Because it's less taxing than full 4k, doesn't have scaling artifacts, and gives games a wider FOV without the fish eye lens effect.

I much, MUCH prefer games have a black bars than scaling up from a lower resolution to full screen which looks blurry and ugly to me.

One example is Greedfall on PC. At native 4k, the game dips below 60fps a lot of times with max settings. With my custom res of 3840x1600, it pretty much stays locked at 60. Black bars don't bother me at all. I rather like it since they're so black on this tv and my room is dark so the tv disappears into my background, so the bars don't look like bars. Looks more like my TV is Ultrawide.
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hey all, im thinking about getting an LG C9 55" for a PC monitor for gaming and work. How clear are the fonts at 1:1 4k scaling? i do a lot of coding in Visual Studio Code and want to make sure its crystal clear.
i have an OC'ed 2080Ti so 4k gaming is fine.
Im assuming that the HDMI 2.1 / Turning VRR issue will be sorted some time soon and enable 120hz 4k gaming


I currently have a 43" TCL [email protected] and its pretty good aside from the colour

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I didn't notice the Rtings C9 settings had White balance at the bottom, for those that followed the guide did you match every slide shown there? Does it make a big difference, I've just been running their other settings for now.
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hey all, im thinking about getting an LG C9 55" for a PC monitor for gaming and work. How clear are the fonts at 1:1 4k scaling? i do a lot of coding in Visual Studio Code and want to make sure its crystal clear.
i have an OC'ed 2080Ti so 4k gaming is fine.
Im assuming that the HDMI 2.1 / Turning VRR issue will be sorted some time soon and enable 120hz 4k gaming


I currently have a 43" TCL [email protected] and its pretty good aside from the colour

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As sharp as any good monitor/tv with RGB/444 chroma subsampling. Once you go OLED, you'll not want to go back to ANY other type of display atm.
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I did not know this. Is this confirmed and tested? Coming from plasma, I always thought black bars can cause burn in. would some pixels off and other on would cause some kind of nonuniform over time?
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I was wondering about this myself, It would make sense that with the pixels not being turned on no burn in would be present
I have never seen/ot talk about getting burn in from the letterbox bars..........

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Struggling to decide between C9, A9G and Q950R. C9 probably has my favourite picture quality.

One important requirement I have is 'flush' wall mounting. Having looked at this TV in detail, the thickest part of the TV appears to be larger than either of the other two, which makes me wonder if building some sort of 'niche' into the wall would help, but I fear it may block audio.

Anyone have any experience/success wall mounting this TV?

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Why not get the OLED65W9PUA or OLED77W9PUA, those sit flush to the wall and they are less then 1/4" thick from top to bottom........
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I think that's the wrong fear. It would risk severe overheating if you shove the air vents inside the wall! They are there for a reason :0. Is "flush" wall mounting really a more important requirement than "picture quality"? It's only been possible for a few years.
Good point - thank you.

In this particular case, because this wont be the 'main' viewing area and because of the architecture of the house, sitting flush is probably a pre-requisite as anything else would ruin the look. It can protrude to some degree, of course, but I want as close to the wall as possible.
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I have never seen/ot talk about getting burn in from the letterbox bars..........

Why not get the OLED65W9PUA or OLED77W9PUA, those sit flush to the wall and they are less then 1/4" thick from top to bottom........
I would get this one in a heartbeat if it didn't have a sound bar :-) That has been veto'd by WAF, and it's a huge sound bar too...
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hey all, im thinking about getting an LG C9 55" for a PC monitor for gaming and work. How clear are the fonts at 1:1 4k scaling? i do a lot of coding in Visual Studio Code and want to make sure its crystal clear.
i have an OC'ed 2080Ti so 4k gaming is fine.
Im assuming that the HDMI 2.1 / Turning VRR issue will be sorted some time soon and enable 120hz 4k gaming


I currently have a 43" TCL [email protected] and its pretty good aside from the colour

thanks

Bear in mind that current tech is not sure to allow you 4k/120 - hdmi 2.0 maxes out at 18gbps, while 4k/120 at 4:2:0 (the lowest quality of 4k/120) I understand requires 20gbps.
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while 4k/120 at 4:2:0 (the lowest quality of 4k/120) I understand requires 20gbps.

It is possible within the 18gbps HDMI 2.0b provides. Samsung Q90R is capable of 4K/120hz @ 8bit/4:2:0; using a standard 18gbps HDMI cable sent from a standard 18gbps HDMI 2.0 port.
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I didn't notice the Rtings C9 settings had White balance at the bottom, for those that followed the guide did you match every slide shown there? Does it make a big difference, I've just been running their other settings for now.
As per R-Ting's warnings, you should not use someone else's White Balance values. They are provided for completeness/fun only and are only correct for their panel. Every panel is different which is why if you copy WB you could make yours worse. CMS values are the same.

Everything else other than WB and CMS, feel free to copy.
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Good point - thank you.

In this particular case, because this wont be the 'main' viewing area and because of the architecture of the house, sitting flush is probably a pre-requisite as anything else would ruin the look. It can protrude to some degree, of course, but I want as close to the wall as possible.
Wow. That's not a home, that's a palace!

I can see why that's a thing you would want. It's a pity that the W9 has different specs, because the answer would have been to buy that. But the main point is that there are heating vents at the top of the electronics on the back, and if air can't circulate freely it could overheat. I don't know if it's feasible to channel out an area the whole height of the TV

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So this came with my 65 inch C9 in the box. Does anybody know what the deal is with this?


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This is an analog AV connector for older gaming systems, video cameras, etc. There is a yellow port on the back of the TV and an input in the TV setup menu called AV. Pretty cool to have.

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Bear in mind that current tech is not sure to allow you 4k/120 - hdmi 2.0 maxes out at 18gbps, while 4k/120 at 4:2:0 (the lowest quality of 4k/120) I understand requires 20gbps.
It requires 17.82Gbps
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So this came with my 65 inch C9 in the box. Does anybody know what the deal is with this?


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You have managed to let us all know how young you really are. Hahaha.

I mean, damn, composite connections haven't been gone THAT long. Most TVs stopped including them by default probably less than 10 years ago.

Serious answer, composite input in 3.5mm form is actually new to me, though I could gather the purpose of that adapter by the end with the inputs.

I'm quite surprised LG still kept a fully working composite connection in their I/O. Yet no component, which in this day and age would've made more sense, and even that is pretty much outdated.

Makes me wanna test my PlayStation 2 and Dreamcast.
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Good point - thank you.

In this particular case, because this wont be the 'main' viewing area and because of the architecture of the house, sitting flush is probably a pre-requisite as anything else would ruin the look. It can protrude to some degree, of course, but I want as close to the wall as possible.
I would go with Sony A9G as it has really good sound and paired with Sony SU-WL855 Wall Mount Bracket will get the TV real flush mount.

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Good point - thank you.

In this particular case, because this wont be the 'main' viewing area and because of the architecture of the house, sitting flush is probably a pre-requisite as anything else would ruin the look. It can protrude to some degree, of course, but I want as close to the wall as possible.
We'll be over shortly with our moving van, just tell us which room is ours.

Seriously, gorgeous house!
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This is an analog AV connector for older gaming systems, video cameras, etc. There is a yellow port on the back of the TV and an input in the TV setup menu called AV. Pretty cool to have.

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I could always hook up my old super Nintendo entertainment system to my 65 inch 4K TV LOL! I can only imagine how bad it would look upscaled to 4K. I have hooked it up to my Samsung 32 inch 720p led and it looks fine. But any resolution above it would make it look horrible and blocky. Hence on my old 1080p plasma it looked horrible. 4K would be even worse , in addition to the bad burn in I would probably get from all those blocky static images produced by 90s legacy game consoles.


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^^ I've played my SNES on my C8. It looked pretty good considering. Great fun too, to hear the MarioKart music played through a proper system with a thumping subwoofer!
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^^ I've played my SNES on my C8. It looked pretty good considering. Great fun too, to hear the MarioKart music played through a proper system with a thumping subwoofer!


Haha any burn in? That would be my main worry. Yeah the SNES was a blast to play back in the day.


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No burn-in (permanent) or image retention (temporary). I'm not one of those people who has things turned up to 200 nits. .

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So I just bit the bullet and purchased a C9. However I have a question here that since I still have my old Denon receiver which only supports 1080p, would I be able to use it just for the sound/speakers? So the idea is connect all my devices directly to the TV and use HDMI ARC or optical to pass through the sound. Is that how I do it? I have devices like Nintendo Switch, PC and PS4 btw.
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So I just bit the bullet and purchased a C9. However I have a question here that since I still have my old Denon receiver which only supports 1080p, would I be able to use it just for the sound/speakers? So the idea is connect all my devices directly to the TV and use HDMI ARC or optical to pass through the sound. Is that how I do it? I have devices like Nintendo Switch, PC and PS4 btw.
With optical and ARC you will be locked with Stereo PCM or DTS/Dolby Digital 5.1.
DTS/Dolby Digital might introduce audio lag as well.

I will suffer the same fate as you when my AVR returns from the repair shop.
My plan is to go with Stereo PCM for Consoles. UHD-BluRays won't be a problem because my player (as every other player I know) has two HDMI outs (one for
Audio).

Until I get my hands on a HDMI 2.1 Receiver I have to live with Upmixing from Stereo. For the moment I am happy with my headphones.
But this might take until 2021. From what I have heard D+M pushed back the date for the HDMI-board swap. Until
recently they planned to offer this service in early 2020. But with the recent change in Dolbys policy this was pushed back to September/October 2020.
I also heard rumors from other AVR manufacturers that HDMI 2.1 AVRs won't be ready until 2021.

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With optical and ARC you will be locked with Stereo PCM or DTS/Dolby Digital 5.1.
DTS/Dolby Digital might introduce audio lag as well.

I will suffer the same fate as you when my AVR returns from the repair shop.
My plan is to go with Stereo PCM for Consoles. UHD-BluRays won't be a problem because my player (as every other player I know) has two HDMI outs (one for
Audio).
I'm in the same boat, my AVR is an old Onkyo TX-NR1007 with HDMI 1.3, so I'm used to feeding the TV and AVR from different outputs from my Blu-Ray Player. I went with optical for consoles (since the Onkyo doesn't have ARC) and to be honest it's not that big of a difference as I'd feared compared to the multichannel PCM from before, certainly enjoyable and I didn't notice any significant lag this way. Been playing Gears 5 in DD 5.1 for quite a while now and couldn't make out any lag and channel separation is great as well. I've connected the optical out from my Xbox One X directly to my AVR and the LG via optical to the AVR as well. My PS4 pro is going through the LG, but I don't play PS4 as much so I cannot tell if that introduced any kind of lag. If it does I could use the front optical in as well.

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So I just bit the bullet and purchased a C9. However I have a question here that since I still have my old Denon receiver which only supports 1080p, would I be able to use it just for the sound/speakers? So the idea is connect all my devices directly to the TV and use HDMI ARC or optical to pass through the sound. Is that how I do it? I have devices like Nintendo Switch, PC and PS4 btw.


I have a pioneer receiver that only does 1080p, I use the audio HDMI out directly to my receiver, and the HDMI video directly to my display and it works perfectly. Although I don’t have as an extensive set up as you.


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So I just bit the bullet and purchased a C9. However I have a question here that since I still have my old Denon receiver which only supports 1080p, would I be able to use it just for the sound/speakers? So the idea is connect all my devices directly to the TV and use HDMI ARC or optical to pass through the sound. Is that how I do it? I have devices like Nintendo Switch, PC and PS4 btw.
I can recommend a HDFury Vertex for this purpose. It can input 1080p/4k with all the common audio formats and output video untouched to the tv and send audio untouched to your receiver.
If you buy one, you need to use a key combo to unlock the device (it is in the manual but with unclear wording).
If not, it will detect hdcp 1.4 of your receiving as lowest version copy protection and uses that for outbound video aswell and down scale 4k video to 1080p. Wich is obviously something you don't want.
When unlocked it will use hdcp 1.4 to receiver and 2.2 to tv.
And it can ve usex as switch for 2 input devices.
The vertex2 is a newer generation and has 4 inputs but is $100 more.
I don't know how many devices you've got?

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I’m about 90% there to buy the LG C9 65”. The only reservation I have is I currently have a 2014 vizio P series 4K 70” and dropping to a 65” worries me. What do you guys thing about size difference between a 65” and 70”? I know the C9 PQ is going to mop the floor with my current tv.

Btw, I’m getting a 1,000 off the c9 65”. Work accommodations FTW.
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I’ve found a serious bug with the C9 when hooked up to an XB1 in Game Mode. For some reason it displays some weird ovular banding. Try this and let me know if you’re experiencing the same thing:

In Game Mode on an LG C9 OLED with an Xbox One try pulling up a black screen (I use YouTube app on XB1 and pause on a 0% slide or anything that’s just a black screen), and increase the brightness to ~57. You’ll notice there is some weird spherical banding that occurs. It’s very strange. Here is a photo of what it looks like: https://i.imgur.com/5gsSXBk.jpg

I notice these “spheres” in regular content at 50 brightness, so it’s definitely something that’s an anomaly and degrading the picture quality. It’s also hard NOT to notice once you’ve seen it. The strange thing is that it only shows up in the Game preset. Switching to ISF Bright or any other preset makes the weird spheres go away.
Can anyone confirm they see it too? Like I said, upping the brightness to 57 makes it very easy to see on an all black screen. And it seems to be isolated to use with an XB1 on the GAME preset.

Please try this and let me know if your tv is affected. Thank you!
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I’ve found a serious bug with the C9 when hooked up to an XB1 in Game Mode. For some reason it displays some weird ovular banding. Try this and let me know if you’re experiencing the same thing:

In Game Mode on an LG C9 OLED with an Xbox One try pulling up a black screen (I use YouTube app on XB1 and pause on a 0% slide or anything that’s just a black screen), and increase the brightness to ~57. You’ll notice there is some weird spherical banding that occurs. It’s very strange. Here is a photo of what it looks like: https://i.imgur.com/5gsSXBk.jpg

I notice these “spheres” in regular content at 50 brightness, so it’s definitely something that’s an anomaly and degrading the picture quality. It’s also hard NOT to notice once you’ve seen it. The strange thing is that it only shows up in the Game preset. Switching to ISF Bright or any other preset makes the weird spheres go away.
Can anyone confirm they see it too? Like I said, upping the brightness to 57 makes it very easy to see on an all black screen. And it seems to be isolated to use with an XB1 on the GAME preset.

Please try this and let me know if your tv is affected. Thank you!

Yes I can confirm it, I use the ISF/Technicolor modes because it bothers me so much. This happens on all C9 OLED's so it is not just you.


*Edit - I am not using an XB1 but I am connected to PC and that is where I can see it.
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