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Yep. Which is why as part of the reno, we are covering over the fireplace with built ins. TV will be mounted lower, closer to eye level. Room is getting gutted.
I die a little inside every time I see a TV over a fireplace or mantle. Buying a TV then mounting it above eye level should be a crime. You are making the right choice.
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Lol, thanks. I agree! For many years, the wife and I have wondered why ppl mount them so high. It makes no sense (unless is the only option). I've seen photos where the top of the TV is flush with the ceiling.
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Is that a fireplace?

Really i'm not sure i would put my tv above a fireplace, the heat would melt it.
Not if you have it mounted above a fire/heat resistant mantle. That may look like a wood beam, but it's really a Magrahearth mantle... 95 pounds of concrete. I have had my Kuro over that for many years and now my C9.

We mounted it there because our life does not revolve around watching TV and it looks great up there, while not cluttering the room with a(nother) piece of furniture that is full of AV gear.

If we want to do critical viewing, we'l just go into the home theater and view content on a 110" screen, with 9.2 sound. On this display we just do casual viewing. Ultra-minimal. Sound bar on mantle and cable box behind display.

It's perfect for that room.
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yeh just curious if anyone has any problems with their 77's. i had near to black issues, flashing blacks etc on my 77 C8 so a little hesistant at buying a C9 77. from what i have read its been fixed on 2019 models!
Do the 77 C9s have the power supply buzz that the 77 C8 had?
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TBH, you have to wait about 200 hours or so for the breakin period.

If you don't see anything wrong, no dead pixels, or blotches, don't worry about it. Just enjoy your TV.

Don't go looking for things, if you don't notice anything, do go looking, lol.

After the breakin period, just go on YouTube and play a 5% & 10% great screen. If it looks even and uniform, you are good. No panel will be perfect.

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Please explain me what breaking period is...
I am wondering if i should call LG now or wait with it.
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Thanks for the quick response back, How do you like the C9 compare to the A1E, do you think it was worthwhile decision on your end to make the change.
The 65" has 39.7% more screen area (513 square inches)

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Lol, thanks. I agree! For many years, the wife and I have wondered why ppl mount them so high. It makes no sense (unless is the only option). I've seen photos where the top of the TV is flush with the ceiling.
Keep the TV's out of harms way......That is why I mount about 40" from the bottom of TV to the floor.
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I only kept the C9 because the uniformity was better. I would have kept the A1E otherwise due to the superior interpolation and sound. I don't use TruMotion on the C9 but I'd use the lowest Motion Flow setting on the A1E for movies.

Brightness, operating system, etc. I don't care about. The A1E was bright enough and I don't use internal apps. Those might be deciding factors for other people.

If I was buying now, I'd probably go for the A8G since it's about the same price as the C9 in Canada. At the time I purchased the C9, the A8G was significantly more expensive.
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Yep. Which is why as part of the reno, we are covering over the fireplace with built ins. TV will be mounted lower, closer to eye level. Room is getting gutted.
Phew. VERY glad you said that! You won't get neck strain nor all the other problems. It's a very silly trend, people mounting TVs high up above fireplaces. Bad idea for countless reasons.
EDIT: Whoops, I've just read the other replies. Oh well, sorry but it's MHO.
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Phew. VERY glad you said that! You won't get neck strain nor all the other problems. It's a very silly trend, people mounting TVs high up above fireplaces. Bad idea for countless reasons.
EDIT: Whoops, I've just read the other replies. Oh well, sorry but it's MHO.
No worries We all do what works for us. I did it "the right way" for many years.

Now, this way just works much better for us. Many people tried to convince us otherwise, but we wanted what we wanted, and it turned out well.

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Please explain me what breaking period is...

I am wondering if i should call LG now or wait with it.

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The tv needs about 200 to 300 hours of use before the panel and picture quality settle in. You may see things now that you won't see after the breakin period.

Ultimately it's your tv and choice though. You know what you see and what you like.

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I'll have a 90 day warranty on my C9 replacement panel. What's the quickest and safest way to break the panel in? Should I leave the TV on while Im at work?

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I thought this year LG had closed the gap with Sony on motion processing and such?
IIRC LG improved their native motion handling, in particular 24p motion. I haven't seen previous generation LG OLEDs but the C9 and A1E were a visual match to my eyes in native motion. I had them side-by-side in my home for 30 days and tested lots of material. When motion interpolation was engaged the Sony pulled ahead. Less artifacts, no skipping, etc. LG's TruMotion just doesn't match up. The only thing LG does better is granularity in the interpolation steps (4 steps vs 10 steps).

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Three Questions:


1. Do you guys use Cinema Home or Cinema for Dolby Vision?

Cinema home is brighter but I see elavated black levels. I don't know if its the proper black level or not but I'm not really seeing absolute black at any point which makes me think its wrong. Except the borders are absolute black. Cinema seems more correct but has apparent black crush.



2. I've heard conflicting things about Tone Mapping for games. Rtings warns against it but others online swear by it. I've had it off since I got it.


3. Real Cinema. I turned this off and it looks a lot more normal to me, yes there is judder but its judder I've been used to since I moved away from CRTs. Doesn't bother me. With it on its very unnatural. I guess I'm wondering how many people here use it?
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I own the c9 a week now and yesterday I’ve put some greyscale slides:





On the photo there is more to see than in real life. I saw banding on a Netflix show (Raising Dion) that’s why I thought to look into this.

Should I keep it?

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1. Do you guys use Cinema Home or Cinema for Dolby Vision?

Cinema home is brighter but I see elavated black levels. I don't know if its the proper black level or not but I'm not really seeing absolute black at any point which makes me think its wrong. Except the borders are absolute black. Cinema seems more correct but has apparent black crush.

2. I've heard conflicting things about Tone Mapping for games. Rtings warns against it but others online swear by it. I've had it off since I got it.

3. Real Cinema. I turned this off and it looks a lot more normal to me, yes there is judder but its judder I've been used to since I moved away from CRTs. Doesn't bother me. With it on its very unnatural. I guess I'm wondering how many people here use it?
I had to lower my brightness to 49 to eliminate elevated blacks in HDR. Not sure about Dolby Vision but could be similar.

Haven't played any HDR games yet, but I prefer DTM off in films. For a lot of scenes it looks unnaturally bright to me, in particular low lit scenes with some brighter elements in them. I also find the increased APL with DTM enabled to cause me eyestrain in a dark room. This setting is definitely personal preference though.

If you've been watching content for years with 3:2 pulldown, proper cadence can look strange. However, once you adapt to it you'll not want to revert. I definitely recommend adapting to Real Cinema. I also leave it enabled for TV so low frame rate shows and commercials are displayed correctly.

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Yeah I don't know, I had Real Cinema on for the first 30 hours I had the panel and there was always a tinge of soap opera effect in play. I turned all motion processing off so I was confused why I was still seeing the effect but once I turned off Real Cinema it was like a literal switch went off, I no longer thought about the motion while watching.



I'll give it one more go just to see now that I've had it off for 30ish hours.
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Do the 77 C9s have the power supply buzz that the 77 C8 had?
I have never heard a buzz but then again I have a TiVo Bolt right underneath it and it has always made quite a bit of noise so it may drown it out?

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Three Questions:


1. Do you guys use Cinema Home or Cinema for Dolby Vision?

Cinema home is brighter but I see elavated black levels. I don't know if its the proper black level or not but I'm not really seeing absolute black at any point which makes me think its wrong. Except the borders are absolute black. Cinema seems more correct but has apparent black crush.



2. I've heard conflicting things about Tone Mapping for games. Rtings warns against it but others online swear by it. I've had it off since I got it.


3. Real Cinema. I turned this off and it looks a lot more normal to me, yes there is judder but its judder I've been used to since I moved away from CRTs. Doesn't bother me. With it on its very unnatural. I guess I'm wondering how many people here use it?
Cinema Home OOTB is way too different than the supposed accurate mode, Cinema. So I use Cinema for night and tweaked CH with AI brightness on for daylight. Try these setting for Cinema Home; color and brightness 46 and contrast at 96. It'll make it just slightly brighter than Cinema with colors being more in line with it. AI brightness will ramp up brightness of the image according to ambient lighting. It supposedly takes ambient light data and tweaks tone mapping for brighter average picture level.

Real Cinema will play the 24fps content in the right cadence with 5:5 pulldown which eliminates judder. 24fps stutter is what still remains.

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I own the c9 a week now and yesterday I’ve put some greyscale slides:





On the photo there is more to see than in real life. I saw banding on a Netflix show (Raising Dion) that’s why I thought to look into this.

Should I keep it?
Looks very similar to the pictures I (https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...-talk-240.html) posted above. Looks almost identical. Based on the feedback I got, I would guess that your set is around average and not worth exchanging.

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I own the c9 a week now and yesterday I’ve put some greyscale slides:





On the photo there is more to see than in real life. I saw banding on a Netflix show (Raising Dion) that’s why I thought to look into this.

Should I keep it?
Wait until you get 200 +/- hours on it, then look again.

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I thought this year LG had closed the gap with Sony on motion processing and such?
Yes, LG closed the gap. In B6 I need to turn off TruMotion. No need to do that in E9.

Motion is comfortable in E9 just as in A9F.

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Do the 77 C9s have the power supply buzz that the 77 C8 had?
maybe search this thread for keyword "buzzing" or "buzz" rather than re-posting this question for the 30th time in this owner's thread.
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I'll have a 90 day warranty on my C9 replacement panel. What's the quickest and safest way to break the panel in? Should I leave the TV on while Im at work?
If you are trying to break it in as quickly as possible then put something on that is 4K DV or 4K HDR that has no logos or content that is repetitive enough to wear part of the panel unevenly.

If you have a 4K ATV they have a stunning array of 4K DV screen savers available that can go for something like 60 minutes without a repeat, so you could just leave that running 24 hours a day to quickly get to the 200 hour mark on your panel.
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If you are trying to break it in as quickly as possible then put something on that is 4K DV or 4K HDR that has no logos or content that is repetitive enough to wear part of the panel unevenly.

If you have a 4K ATV they have a stunning array of 4K DV screen savers available that can go for something like 60 minutes without a repeat, so you could just leave that running 24 hours a day to quickly get to the 200 hour mark on your panel.
You will want to make sure that you turn the display off for a few hours each day, at minimum. You do want the panel refresh(es) to happen. They will take place at power off, if the display has been on for 4+ hours. That is a big part of how the panel ages, especially over the initial 200 hours.
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Yes, LG closed the gap. In B6 I need to turn off TruMotion. No need to do that in E9.

Motion is comfortable in E9 just as in A9F.
Yeah I really love Sony processing. Just not sure I want to spend $1K more than the LG and not a fan of Sony's version of Android TV. But I guess we'll see what Black Friday brings.

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How often does LG do firmware/software updates for the LG C9. When was the last one may I ask?
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How often does LG do firmware/software updates for the LG C9. When was the last one may I ask?
It varies, there is no set timeframe. You can check the LG website under support to see when the last one was, released about 2 weeks ago

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It varies, there is no set timeframe. You can check the LG website under support to see when the last one was, released about 2 weeks ago

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Hm???

I only see 03.60.19 released on 07/30/2019? Unless you're referring to the 'unofficial' beta which seems nobody was brave enough to try? I should have tried installing/testing that before returning mine...
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I kind of meant does LG shoot out Software updates for the tv when need be or is it kind of a one time software update and that is it.
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