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Watching the NCAA game and motion and upscaling are definItely an upgrade this year. Regular cable Directv content now has some wow factor again for me. I have only had LG oleds but the C9 should definitely give the Sony X1 chip a run for its money.

I have “AI Picture” set to ON and all other technicolor sdr settings unchanged except oled light and looks great.

I was hoping to figure out this BFI but I have no option but on or off. I must have some old firmware or they haven’t rolled it out yet?

Might play with putting smooth gradation on low and see what happens but I’m not seeing any color banding.

The peak brightness is an interesting setting. Turning it on for sdr almost makes it eye searing bright.

I have not run any 5% or 100% slides yet to look for banding and tint. So far in my couple hours I haven’t seen anything but haven’t decided if I’m going to run the normal torture tests or not. Just really enjoying the tv right now.

One other note, the new stand is HEAVY. Not the front piece but the counter weight piece in the back is solid.

I was also worried from the pics that the stand looked like a lighter silver color like the 2017 series in pictures. I can report it’s pretty much the same gunmetal as the 2018 series.
That your Directv cable (1080i) is looking better ("motion and upscaling a definite upgrade this year" ) AND no notable "color banding" is VERY EXCITING and encouraging !
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Confirming there is no BFI settings on the isf modes either...looks like they removed the 3 level settings.
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Confirming there is no BFI settings on the isf modes either...looks like they removed the 3 level settings.
I call "weird-O-rama." Yea, the joys and trepidation of "First Owner" syndrome.

Thank you however for tredding early ground so that the rest of us may learn.

It still sounds encouraging. Now enjoy some more of that tournament !
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Confirming there is no BFI settings on the isf modes either...looks like they removed the 3 level settings.
I call "weird-O-rama." Yea, the joys and trepidation of "First Owner" syndrome.

Thank you however for tredding early ground so that the rest of us may learn.[IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]

It still sounds encouraging. Now enjoy some more of that tournament !
For sure I’m enjoying it and was worth the upgrade/purchase so far. Going to guess they sell a ton of these if other impressions are good too. I know Robert at VE was giving high praise when I spoke to him the other day.

I know everyone wants test slide pictures but so far I haven’t seen anything in content and not worth peeking even though I know everyone wants banding pictures.

Signing off for the night. Going to test gaming features tomorrow.
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What FW version do you have?

Sounds as rhough 03.00.94 has been confirmed to have the Low, Medium, High BFI options while D-Nice had 03.50.22 on a review sample (and I'm not sure whether he's confirmed whether the TV he had also supported Low, Medium and High BFI settings or not...).

There was that report from Germany early this month that LG had 'backed out' the advanced BFI settings, so they were probably testing an early production TV with the same FW version you have.

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I’m still having trouble with Directv box 4k hdr where it loses connection with tv and screen goes blank. Gonna try a different cable tomorrow but never had that issue with hlg hdr on previous TVs.
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Confirming there is no BFI settings on the isf modes either...looks like they removed the 3 level settings.
Your post gives me a mild pit in the stomach (confirmation of the German rumor).

The main advantage of the 2019s over the 2018s was OLED Motion Pro...

On the other hand, LG made a press release about delvering 3.5ms MPRT, which is impossible without 75% [email protected] or 50% [email protected], so hopefully either 50% [email protected] is abailable or LG plans to brong back the Low Mefium High settings with a FW update...

Have you tried setting SmoothMotion to max and activating BFI? If 50% BFI is supported with frame interpolation to 120Hz, that is the most importance advance...

Unconscionable to imagine that LG sent 'review samples' out supporting features that have been pulled from production units...
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Your post gives me a mild oit in the stimach (confirmation of the German rumor).

The main advantage of the 2019s over the 2018s was OLED Motion Pro...

On the other hand, LG made a press release about delvering 3.5ms MPRT, which is impossible without 75% [email protected] or 50% [email protected], so hopefully either 50% [email protected] is abailable or LG plans to brong back the Low Mefium High settings with a FW update...
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Do you have a link to that press release? As far as I know, the 3.5ms MPRT figure came from a CES press release by LG Display about their "Crystal Motion OLED" demo, not from an LG Electronics release about the 2019 models.
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Do you have a link to that press release? As far as I know, the 3.5ms MPRT figure came from a CES press release by LG Display about their "Crystal Motion OLED" demo, not from an LG Electronics release about the 2019 models.
Yeah, that pit in my stomach is getting bigger: https://www.engadget.com/2019/01/06/...crystal-sound/

"It wouldn't be CES without a few exotic screens from LG Display, and the company is keen to deliver this year... The company also has something for fans of fast-paced shows. On top of a 65-inch 8K OLED display (pictured above and below), it's showing off a 65-inch 4K OLED panel with a "world's fastest" motion picture response time of just 3.5ms. LG pitches this as ideal for action movies and sports, although it should also be ideal for gaming where the slightest bit of unintended blur can spoil the experience."

If the enhanced OLED Motion Pro including 3.5ms MPRT is getting 'pulled back' by LG Electronics in the 2019 WOLEDs (for whatever reason), I'll be passing on the C9 (and either grabbing a much-cheapwr C8 or waiting for the C20s...

Beffuddling how they coukd have had it in the review sample firmware but decided to pull tje feature from the production FW.
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I’m sure it’s becasue they are tweaking it or found some bug. Makes no sense to send out to reviewers who will discuss it but then not release it to the public. I’m not worried and assume it’ll come in a software update.
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For sure I’m enjoying it and was worth the upgrade/purchase so far. Going to guess they sell a ton of these if other impressions are good too. I know Robert at VE was giving high praise when I spoke to him the other day.

I know everyone wants test slide pictures but so far I haven’t seen anything in content and not worth peeking even though I know everyone wants banding pictures.

Signing off for the night. Going to test gaming features tomorrow.
For the gaming features, you will check for PC, Xbox One X...?
Tks a lot for your impressions!

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I’m sure it’s becasue they are tweaking it or found some bug. Makes no sense to send out to reviewers who will discuss it but then not release it to the public. I’m not worried and assume it’ll come in a software update.
Probably will come out as a firmware update. I remember LG delivered on their promises in the past.
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Just speculating here, they probably removed BFI choices for consumers and went with on-off to keep things simple. At 60hz, BFi is probably 25% with least flicker. At 120hz is 50% because that is the limit of the panel.

BFI med and high were probably removed because 60hz bfi at 50% and 75% causes flickering.

So for those that want the smoothest motion, they would use BFI with smooth motion on. They would get the least persistence but need interpolation to get there.
Those that want to avoid interpolation, could use BFI only for a small cut in persistence with no brightness loss and (hopefully) no noticeable flickering.
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For sure I’m enjoying it and was worth the upgrade/purchase so far. Going to guess they sell a ton of these if other impressions are good too. I know Robert at VE was giving high praise when I spoke to him the other day.

I know everyone wants test slide pictures but so far I haven’t seen anything in content and not worth peeking even though I know everyone wants banding pictures.

Signing off for the night. Going to test gaming features tomorrow.
For the gaming features, you will check for PC, Xbox One X...?
Tks a lot for your impressions!
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Just speculating here, they probably removed BFI choices for consumers and went with on-off to keep things simple. At 60hz, BFi is probably 25% with least flicker. At 120hz is 50% because that is the limit of the panel.

BFI med and high were probably removed because 60hz bfi at 50% and 75% causes flickering.

So for those that want the smoothest motion, they would use BFI with smooth motion on. They would get the least persistence but need interpolation to get there.
Those that want to avoid interpolation, could use BFI only for a small cut in persistence with no brightness loss and (hopefully) no noticeable flickering.
I don’t know...when I turn it on, it dims quite a bit, more than I would think the 25% (low) would be but then again I don’t have it side by side with a C8 to tell.
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I don’t know...when I turn it on, it dims quite a bit, more than I would think the 25% (low) would be but then again I don’t have it side by side with a C8 to tell.
Interesting, thanks for your observations. That indicates it's either not engaging a 25% brightness boost when BFI is enabled, or that BFI on is using 50% or 75% at 60hz.
Can you try enabling smooth motion and toggling BFI on and off? Does it appear to have equivalent brightness loss as toggling BFI on/off without smooth motion on?
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Speaking of xbox one, do you feel the lower lag vs the c8? How is it going from 21ms~ to the advertised 13 in say a shooter that runs 60fps?
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Speaking of xbox one, do you feel the lower lag vs the c8? How is it going from 21ms~ to the advertised 13 in say a shooter that runs 60fps?
Gonna test some COD this afternoon. Gotta get the XOX settings changed for auto game mode and vrr. On the C9, you have options to turn on vrr and auto game mode in the menu.
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Probably will come out as a firmware update. I remember LG delivered on their promises in the past.


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I’m not concerned, been chatting with some people and they believe it’ll come in firmqare like some of the other features. It wouldn’t make sense to be on review models but not in the regular versions from the store. Right on the LG website it says “some features will be available via firmware update”.
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Gonna test some COD this afternoon. Gotta get the XOX settings changed for auto game mode and vrr. On the C9, you have options to turn on vrr and auto game mode in the menu.
Any games running at 30 fps? There was a website informing that VRR range was between 40-120hz, if that's the case console owners may be disappointed.

Not my case though, PC gamer, but nevertheless I would think it would be disappointing for a lot of gamers...
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Watching the NCAA game and motion and upscaling are definItely an upgrade this year. Regular cable Directv content now has some wow factor again for me. I have only had LG oleds but the C9 should definitely give the Sony X1 chip a run for its money.
Sweet That is good news indeed......
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Any games running at 30 fps? There was a website informing that VRR range was between 40-120hz, if that's the case console owners may be disappointed.



Not my case though, PC gamer, but nevertheless I would think it would be disappointing for a lot of gamers...


I play a lot of Battlefield V on the X. At 60fps VRR will still smooth out any frame rate issues.


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For 60fps I think it's safe, now for 30fps, not so sure...
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For 60fps I think it's safe, now for 30fps, not so sure...
I have red dead, is that 30fps?
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And fake HDR, unfortunately.
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I have a theory as to what happened with the improved BFI.

It was developed, it was working, it shipped out on review units.

In parallel, LGE was working on the C8 FW fix for the macroblocking issue on 2018 WOLEDs. The undated C8 FW has finally been released, effectively resolves the macroblocking issue from all reports, and apparently employs ditheringing of near-blacks as an important element in this new solution.

Dithering is essentially BFI on the single-pixel level (rather than the whole-panel level). So my theory is that when they decided they needed to incorporate the macoblocking fix into the C9 production FW, they realized it caused a conflict with the new 3.5ms OLED Motion Pro BFI and they had to choose one or the other.

Launching the 2019 TVs with improved near-black performance (and no repeat of a PQ defect that had alreeady been reported and resolved) won out over delivering improved BFI.

So my guess is that the production FW backed out all of the new BFI features and fell back on the 2018 BFI FW.

The unknown is whether, with time, LG will find a way to support 3.5ms MPRT while supporting the dithering needed for macroblocking solution.

But for now, it looks the C9s are limited to pretty much being C8s with HDMI 2,1...
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But for now, it looks the C9s are limited to pretty much being C8s with HDMI 2,1...

There seem to be quite a few more improvements than just HDMI 2.1...

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But for now, it looks the C9s are limited to pretty much being C8s with HDMI 2,1...

There seem to be quite a few more improvements than just HDMI 2.1...
Yeah hdr/dv feels brighter and more pop. As we had read it is better processing rather than more nits I believe. There’s leak luminance adjustments and ai brightness which changes the curve I think based on your room lighting conditions. Whatever they have done it works well.

Playing XOX now, there is no smooth gradation feature in game mode.
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Speaking of xbox one, do you feel the lower lag vs the c8? How is it going from 21ms~ to the advertised 13 in say a shooter that runs 60fps?
Gonna test some COD this afternoon. Gotta get the XOX settings changed for auto game mode and vrr. On the C9, you have options to turn on vrr and auto game mode in the menu.
Looking forward to hear how you percieve the lag. I came from a tcl p607 and it was about 13ms which is what the c9 should be now. Just picked up a c8 from best buy and i feel the difference in increased lag but its not something you dont get used to after a few minutes. Still good and for the price i paid beats spending almost double for a c9. Doesnt mean i wont get a 77 inch when they are half price tho.
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