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I'm not aware of a single freesync monitor that has at least a 2:1 ratio for it's freesync range not supporting LFC. Freesync 2 standardized it along with hdr. So if you bought a monitor with the label of freesync 2, it supports both LFC and HDR.

All the freesyonc monitors with the 2:1 ratio supported lfc as far as I can remember. It would be pretty ridiculous for the c9 to not support lfc because that would render it useless for a lot of console titles that are operating in that low framerate zone of 20-30 fps.

the BenQ XL2730z released in 2015 with a freesync range (before freesync 2 badge) of 40-144 supports LFC. The same goes for the Nixeus vue-24 also released in 2015:

"Engineered and Designed for gamers; the Nixeus Vue 24" first shipped in 2015; featured the best FreeSync Certified range with an industry leading Adaptive-Sync range of 30hz to 144Hz. The combination of AMD FreeSync to eliminate tearing and stuttering with Over Drive to minimize ghosting and lag made the NX-VUE24 one of the best FreeSync Certified solutions for the serious PC gamer;

Nixeus Vue 24" with AMD FreeSync Technology

Engineered with DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync technology; the NX-VUE24 works with AMD FreeSync enabled AMD graphics driver and an AMD FreeSync technology compatible AMD Radeon graphics to eliminate or minimize video stuttering and tearing to deliver a more immersive smoother gaming experience. By eliminating video display issues that have been plaguing PC gaming for decades; gamers can now focus more on their games enjoying the beautiful visuals and perfecting their craft to dominate their opponents.

The NX-VUE24 also features Low Frame rate Compensation (LFC) that are automatically active with AMD FreeSync to ensure an optimal visual gaming performance."
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Lots of confusion here today, I can see why!

Anyone who thinks HDR10+ with its "wild west of tone mapping" leaving the TV manufacturer to do whatever they like, is in any way equivalent to Dolby Vision which will tone-map exactly for your particular display and its particular capabilities, doesn't understand what Dolby Vision does differently



Exactly right again. HDR10+ content will look different on every TV, and different manufacturer's TVs even if they have the exact same peak nits output, will do the tone-mapping however the hell they like. Dolby Vision content will look "the best it possibly can" on every TV, with the colourist able to apply "trim passes" which will target particular TVs to give each end-user the exact, known, precisely defined and controlled, end result.
"HDR10+ content will look different on every TV" it will look like THE STANDARD SAYS! All parts are standard. E.g. HDR-> SDR conversion, SMPTE BT.2390-4 (dynamic tone mapping of static metadata), etc. Dolby is trying to standardize everything. And I know that now metadata is in inside stream, and so what?
"different manufacturer's TVs" are you crazy? It should be bitexact! Not just look the same! Bitexact as the standard says according to capabilities.
"tone-mapping however the hell they like" then they go to hell.
"the best it possibly can" is on Dolby Pulsar.
"with the colourist able to apply "trim passes" " This is even right with simple HDR10.

"known, precisely defined and controlled, end result" The only difference now you cannot control brightness, as you can before. It is (or should be, not the case in many devices, alas) mandatory. All other things are done as the color management says. AND I WANT TO CONTROL THAT MYSELF. WTF?

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"HDR10+ content will look different on every TV" it will look like THE STANDARD SAYS! All parts are standard. E.g. HDR-> SDR conversion, SMPTE BT.2390-4 (dynamic tone mapping of static metadata), etc. Dolby is trying to standardize everything. And I know that now metadata is in inside stream, and so what?
What do you mean, "so what"? It's the correct state of things. You couldn't be more wrong about Dolby Vision which is why I had to correct what you posted earlier. But hey, thanks for all the shouty abuse.

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Motion blur and tearing are primarily caused by frame persistence, so black frame insertion eliminates that and will result in a crisper/clearer visual experience without any added input lag (since VRR and V-Sync inherently add *some* even under the best circumstances). The only downside is that it results in a slightly darker picture (which personally I find less fatiguing), and if you start to fall behind the hardware curve then you open the door to other motion-related problems when you get frame-rate dips/spikes.
No, no, no. Tearing is not caused by frame persistence. It is caused when the video card and display are out of sync, and you end up seeing parts of two different rendered frames. BFI will not eliminate tearing. The only thing that eliminates tearing is enabling vsync, or VRR/FreeSync/G-Sync technology. Vsync will add lag, but VRR shouldn't add much.

There are articles about G-Sync showing very minimal input lag differences between vsync off and using G-Sync, and the differences are statistically insignificant.

https://www.blurbusters.com/gsync/preview2/
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What do you mean, "so what"? It's the correct state of things. You couldn't be more wrong about Dolby Vision which is why I had to correct what you posted earlier. But hey, thanks for all the shouty abuse.
It is internet)) Please, do not believe what Dolby says. This is not the first time... I mean just read talk page about HDR on wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:H...000/4000_nits?
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Send them an email and tell them the firmware is not available on the US site while it is available in other countries. I did the same for the C8 and they replied and it showed up the next day.
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The LG site. [United States. I know I could download it from Canada, but I don't currently need the G-Sync feature. I just find it interesting/curious that others in US (even as close as Chicago) have, as of several days ago, reported 04.70.12 not only available, but force updated on their C9s, while I can't even find it available in the US.]
According to Kotaku.com.au, LG confirmed that for Australia firmware updates will roll out from December 9 to December 15 for LG OLED E9, LG OLED C9 and LG OLED B9 TVs. Perhaps Australia is last in the country list to receive the update but it does seem to suggest patience is required.
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Other than a real calibration, there are two other options that may work for you...

1. Use the RTINGS settings - https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c9-oled/settings
2. Try using the Spears & Munsill disk - http://spearsandmunsil.com
Thanks for the helpful reply. I'm reading the article on RTINGS settings. Very interesting. Also, discovered the picture HDR EFFECT setting.
So far, it's displaying very realistic colors.
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Other than a real calibration, there are two other options that may work for you...

1. Use the RTINGS settings - https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c9-oled/settings
2. Try using the Spears & Munsill disk - http://spearsandmunsil.com
Thanks for the helpful reply. I'm reading the article on RTINGS settings. Very interesting. Also, discovered the picture HDR EFFECT setting.
So far, it's displaying very realistic colors.
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Looks like Australian owners will get the 04.70.12 update in December. Between December 9th and December 15th according to: https://www.kotaku.com.au/2019/11/au...rt-next-month/

That's a bit of a wait...
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According to Kotaku.com.au, LG confirmed that for Australia firmware updates will roll out from December 9 to December 15 for LG OLED E9, LG OLED C9 and LG OLED B9 TVs. Perhaps Australia is last in the country list to receive the update but it does seem to suggest patience is required.
Ya that is crazy, makes you wonder what the reason is.......
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Is LG C9 really 120V only as indicated in LG's product page? I'm planning to buy from the US and use it here in the Philippines (mains are 220V). I mean I can easily buy a step down transformer but U would rather not. I was thinking all TV's nowadays are autovolt.

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Just received My 55 inch C9 yesterday aaand.... two dead pixels....😢 Am I just Unlucky or is the quality control at LG so bad that it is nearly impossibile to get a 1500 bucks TV defect free? Is this too much to ask for? An high end TV with no ****ing dead pixels on it in 2019?
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Can somebody download Mass effect Andromeda on a PC and check support of Dolby Vision? It should be supported.
Just interesting.

Also Anthem and Need for speed: heat.

"For now its limited to RGB 444." it is working but only in 1080p60 and 2160p30. try 1080p60 first. when you get a pink screen, then restart the game. now DV should work. now you can go to 2160p30 if you want. use RGB/full/8bit in the nvidia settings.

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Just received My 55 inch C9 yesterday aaand.... two dead pixels....😢 Am I just Unlucky or is the quality control at LG so bad that it is nearly impossibile to get a 1500 bucks TV defect free? Is this too much to ask for? An high end TV with no ****ing dead pixels on it in 2019?
sono tenuti a cambiartelo entro i 14 giorni, fai recesso....l'hai preso online giusto? se è no puoi comunque andare in negozio e dirgli di cambiarlo, in caso contrario fai lg premium plus da 179€ e sei a posto poi chiamare loro direttamente.
For the records, in italy(PLA) the firmware 04.70.12 isn't arrived yet.
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It is internet)) Please, do not believe what Dolby says.[/url]
I'll believe a very wide variety of sources thanks.

Here's just one. Matt McRae, CTO of Vizio (i.e. a Dolby Vision-compliant TV manufacturer), wrote that "Dolby Vision is a format + processing/mapping software" and there is no specific Dolby Vision hardware chip.

NB: I've added in HDR10+ to his quote.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...l#post43311322

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Most of the DV processing is done on the display. Let me do a bit of an overview:

HDR10 = 10-bit HEVC + SMPTE 2084 + SMPTE 2086
[HDR10+ = 10-bit HEVC + SMPTE 2084 + SMPTE 2086 + Dynamic Meta Data (SMPTE 2094)]
Dolby Vision = 12 Bit Video + SMPTE 2084 + SMPTE 2086 + Dynamic Meta Data (SMPTE 2094) + Intelligent Display Mapping Engine

The dynamic capabilities and real time display mapping is what makes DolbyVision higher quality (also the wider color gamut and higher dynamic range in the spec). DV is a main video stream and an augmentation stream that get combined to produce the end video.
Now, this is all off-topic for this thread, so if you want to talk about HDR10+ vs Dolby vision, there are already threads for this. The only reason for the post is to correct your wrong information in case anyone read it and believed that HDR10+ had the same capabilities when it factually does not. HTH HAND.

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"also the wider color gamut and higher dynamic range in the spec" it is the same. 0.001 - 10000 nits. and BT.2020 / Bt.2100 primaries. So as I said, do not believe anything except maybe wikipedia.
I knew you'd reply and pick one little point and ignore the rest. Go and call him a liar on the correct thread, if you like. At the end of the day you were still wrong about Dolby Vision. It's off topic here. If you're someone who is openly saying you won't believe anything except Wiki, then we're done here.

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I knew you'd reply and pick one little point and ignore the rest. Go and call him a liar on the correct thread, if you like. At the end of the day you were still wrong about Dolby Vision. It's off topic here. If you're someone who is openly saying you won't believe anything except Wiki, then we're done here.
"also the wider color gamut and higher dynamic range in the spec" it is the same. 0.001 - 10000 nits. and BT.2020 / Bt.2100 primaries. So as I said, do not believe anything except maybe wikipedia.

"real time display mapping" "Intelligent Display Mapping Engine" -- what are those? First sounds like it should be applied always, we do not want the brightness be ahead of the picture (ha-ha, many times mentioned in this thread, BTW), the second -- sounds marketing. THERE IS NOTHING intelligent about it! HDR was designed to be presented according to device luminance capabilities, etc, etc.
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Just received My 55 inch C9 yesterday aaand.... two dead pixels....😢 Am I just Unlucky or is the quality control at LG so bad that it is nearly impossibile to get a 1500 bucks TV defect free? Is this too much to ask for? An high end TV with no ****ing dead pixels on it in 2019?
Run the pixel refresher and see if they clear.
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Not sure If this is a placebo thing or if its because of the shorter distance I'm sitting from my C6 than to my C9 but the picture on my c6 looks better? Mainly in the new call of duty and at first death stranding although after tweaking the in game settings death stranding looked similar to the C6.Obviously my c6 has been in use since late 2016 so it has many hours usage over the c9, both are 55inch .
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Not sure If this is a placebo thing or if its because of the shorter distance I'm sitting from my C6 than to my C9 but the picture on my c6 looks better?
We're not in your room with you, and "better" is of course subjective. Not sure what else we could add from here. They are completely different TVs, with different setups from what you seem to be saying.

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Hi all- looking at possibly picking up a C9 this year. I have a C7, and the biggest issue I had with it was poor white-point uniformity. Many of the 65" C7s had a vertical band of yellow tint, and many of the 55" C7s had a horizontal band, including my own. Two questions:

1. Has this specific issue been cleaned up in the C9's?
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Just received My 55 inch C9 yesterday aaand.... two dead pixels....😢 Am I just Unlucky or is the quality control at LG so bad that it is nearly impossibile to get a 1500 bucks TV defect free? Is this too much to ask for? An high end TV with no ****ing dead pixels on it in 2019?
It happens. If it's that bad, return it and try again.

Or, as suggested run the panel refresher.

Me, I'd return it.

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Hi all- looking at possibly picking up a C9 this year. I have a C7, and the biggest issue I had with it was poor white-point uniformity. Many of the 65" C7s had a vertical band of yellow tint, and many of the 55" C7s had a horizontal band, including my own. Two questions:

1. Has this specific issue been cleaned up in the C9's?
2. What are the big hot-button issues with the C9s (there are always some)?

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1. Panel lottery.
2. You're in luck! The following thread was created just for you - see first post: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...ware-more.html

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Not sure If this is a placebo thing or if its because of the shorter distance I'm sitting from my C6 than to my C9 but the picture on my c6 looks better? Mainly in the new call of duty and at first death stranding although after tweaking the in game settings death stranding looked similar to the C6.Obviously my c6 has been in use since late 2016 so it has many hours usage over the c9, both are 55inch .
If both TVs are calibrated, then there should be almost no difference.

If it is not calibrated, then you are just basing it on what you prefer. Some prefer a more vibrant colour. So if the TV before had a more vibrant picture setting, going to Dark Mode on the C9 with a really good colour profile may make the video appear dim and even muted in comparison. Thus why you may think it looks worst when it may actually be the more accurate depiction of the video.

Anyway, game mode settings are even more wild. Thus why calibration helps not give you a surprise going from 1 TV to another. Take note, you can calibrate Game Mode picture settings as well.
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1. Panel lottery.
2. You're in luck! The following thread was created just for you - see first post: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...ware-more.html
Thanks- that link is very helpful. Can you elaborate on the panel lottery as far as the yellow tint? In 2017 it wasn't so much a probability of having some tint, but rather how bad/noticeable it was. Is it pretty much the same situation with the 2019s, or is it at least more rare?

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Thanks- that link is very helpful. Can you elaborate on the panel lottery as far as the yellow tint? In 2017 it wasn't so much a probability of having some tint, but rather how bad/noticeable it was. Is it pretty much the same situation with the 2019s, or is it at least more rare?
My first 65C7 had the purplish off axis tint, they replaced the panel and the replacement was perfect.

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My first 65C7 had the purplish off axis tint, they replaced the panel and the replacement was perfect.
Oh wow. The LG tech who came to my place just looked at my panel, acknowledged the tint, said I waited too long (despite it still being under warranty), and left.

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Oh wow. The LG tech who came to my place just looked at my panel, acknowledged the tint, said I waited too long (despite it still being under warranty), and left.
My panel had about 500 hours and I had Best Buy Geek Squad warranty and even though it was under LG warranty BB tech called and got them to replace panel. This is part of why I like Geek Squad warranty. How old is your panel, a defect ant any time during warranty is a defect.

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Looking for a brand new Bluetooth Headphones to see some movies late night...

can i pair via bluetooth, a Sony 1000MX3 to a C9/E9 (i have an 55E9)?
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Have there been any issues with overly dark panels on the 2019's ? I searched but only found that there have been black level issues related to Nvidia sources. I had a 2018 C8 but ended up returning it because I had to set the black level at 53 or 54 to get correct levels on both SDR and HDR content. Experts on the forum informed me that my panel was defective and I would not be able to get a proper calibration using Calman Autocal.

After returning the C8, I purchased a Vizio P65-51 and the LCD set has been a pleasant surprise. I am trying to decide now if I should give LG another try or just stick with Vizio and go bigger with the PX75. It's been nice not having to worry about static images and I much prefer the menu navigation over LG... but the deep blacks are certainly tempting.

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