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Unfortunately card wise I only have a nvidia card (2080RTX TI)
Really, not even any older cards like an HD7970?

Alternatively no AMD APUs, whether it be the A-series or a Ryzen like the 2500u or 2200G, or even the lowly Athlon 200GE?


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Although I remember hearing recently that nvidia was going to start supporting freesync.
Nvidia already did enable support but only for DisplayPort.
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Hopefully getting my hands on my VE calibrated and QC’d C9 tomorrow...it’s like Christmas. Should be one of the first to have the new 2019 Autocal sets and the guys said the results turned out great.

Luckily I already took back that ugly tinted dead pixel banding C9 to Best Buy 🙂
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Really, not even any older cards like an HD7970?

Alternatively no AMD APUs, whether it be the A-series or a Ryzen like the 2500u or 2200G, or even the lowly Athlon 200GE?




Nvidia already did enable support but only for DisplayPort.
No no amds. I am mainly a console dev so I dont personally play to many pc games and dont update my hardware very often. That nvidia card was a splurge because I had a pretty old card previously. I have only bought intel and nvidia for myself in the last decade or so.
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I am mainly a console dev so I dont personally play to many pc games and dont update my hardware very often.
Well then surely you have a console dev kit with a discrete HD7000-series Radeon GPU hiding inside, no?

Heck, maybe you've even got some prototype 8c/16t 3rd gen Ryzen + Navi GPU PCs and don't even know it in the form of one of those elusive early PS5 dev kits...
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Back in the day on the N64 with 20fps games, I recall games like Zelda Ocarina of Time rendered menus at 30fps and the game at 20fps, but the frame buffer always updated at 60Hz with a 240 progressive output regardless meaning the 30fps situations were frame-doubled while the 20fps situations were frame-tripled.

Therefore, couldn't the game dev cheat the system and simply do a similar sort of frame-doubling on their own rather than relying on the console itself to do it, thereby resulting in the Xbox seeing a 30fps game as being like a native 60fps game, and any frame drops to like 28fps would be treated as 56fps?

As a whole this methodology is similar to that the low-framerate compensation mode on freesync but that requires the maximum to be more than 2x the minimum (which the Xbox can do at least at 1440p), but at least on the PC low framerate compensation is done at the driver level and therefore occurs at a lower level than the actual code running inside of the game.

If you are willing to require application-level support, then triple buffering + vsync can already solve this problem without requiring any adaptive sync support in the GPU or display.
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Hopefully getting my hands on my VE calibrated and QC’d C9 tomorrow...it’s like Christmas. Should be one of the first to have the new 2019 Autocal sets and the guys said the results turned out great.

Luckily I already took back that ugly tinted dead pixel banding C9 to Best Buy 🙂
Did you get it calibrated for 1000, 4000 and 10,000 nits? So the full 2019 feature set is available?
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If you are willing to require application-level support, then triple buffering + vsync can already solve this problem without requiring any adaptive sync support in the GPU or display.
This is not a great solution for games because each buffer stage adds one frame of latency onto the visuals.
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This is not a great solution for games because each buffer stage adds one frame of latency onto the visuals.

That's only an issue with DirectX games AND when rendering at a higher framerate than the display's maximum refresh rate. You can eliminate it by using a frame limiter.
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Hopefully getting my hands on my VE calibrated and QC’d C9 tomorrow...it’s like Christmas. Should be one of the first to have the new 2019 Autocal sets and the guys said the results turned out great.

Luckily I already took back that ugly tinted dead pixel banding C9 to Best Buy 🙂
Did you get it calibrated for 1000, 4000 and 10,000 nits? So the full 2019 feature set is available?
Yes for HDR that applies and it’s customized to your panel’s individual peak luminance as I understand it for tone mapping. There’s a bunch of technical convo in this in the calibration thread if you want more details.

I had the following done:
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But looking forward to it as they are really impressed with how HDR calibration comes out this year, especially shadow details.
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As I alluded to, CRU - Custom Resolution Utility combined with a freesync-supported AMD GPU connected over HDMI can tell you the freesync range of a given display:


Hi, can anyone connect a PC with AMD VGA to the TV and run CRU Utility in order to know the freesync range of C9?
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I'd also be interested in the VRR range, although, I remember LG stating that it's 40-120Hz. Question ist, if it's with LFC, so that everything below 40Hz just gets output double (for instance, if the game has 29fps that frame gets doubled to 58Hz and you'll be within the VRR range again).
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Yes for HDR that applies and it’s customized to your panel’s individual peak luminance as I understand it for tone mapping. There’s a bunch of technical convo in this in the calibration thread if you want more details.

I had the following done:
ISF DARK
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HDR CINEMA
DV CINEMA
DV CINEMA HOME
GAME SDR
GAME HDR

But looking forward to it as they are really impressed with how HDR calibration comes out this year, especially shadow details.
The new HDR process is shown here and the Neil video's in the posts at the beginning of the thread explain it -> https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...l#post57420836

I was really surprised on how good the near black details are after calibrating HDR with this process. It corrects the LG OOTB HDR EOTF deviation making the picture look brighter and slightly oversaturated that D-Nice and I found when initially testing the C9s.

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John, how easily correctable is the slight oversaturation? Is this addressed simply by bringing the color level down a notch or two or is it addressed via the CMS?
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Anyways sorry to go off topic with that. Back on topic bought my first HDR tv (LG C965) last week and I am blown away by it all. We have been using LG oleds for quite a while at work but its a completely different experience sitting in the comfort of your own home comparing it to your old setup (Pioneer Kuro 500m). I am also marveling at all the modern touches which I did not get on the old tv. Simple things like the TV sources auto recognizing what devices I have attached and auto turning on my ps4 when I switch to that input.
Coming from a KRP-500M (had one myself before getting an LG B6), I'm curious how you feel motion on the C9 (mainly on TV/movies) compares to the Pioneer.
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The new HDR process is shown here and the Neil video's in the posts at the beginning of the thread explain it -> https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...l#post57420836

I was really surprised on how good the near black details are after calibrating HDR with this process. It corrects the LG OOTB HDR EOTF deviation making the picture look brighter and slightly oversaturated that D-Nice and I found when initially testing the C9s.
John, when you calibrate the C9 are the new tone map curves selectable in the picture settings?
For example 1000, 4000, 10,000 and dynamic tone mapping (switch) are all 4 individual manual (selectable) settings? Lets say Im playing a game that's mastered beyond 4,000 nits (once calibrated) I can go into the settings and select a 10,000 tone map curve? I'm very interested in this feature.
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The new HDR process is shown here and the Neil video's in the posts at the beginning of the thread explain it -> https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...l#post57420836

I was really surprised on how good the near black details are after calibrating HDR with this process. It corrects the LG OOTB HDR EOTF deviation making the picture look brighter and slightly oversaturated that D-Nice and I found when initially testing the C9s.
John, when you calibrate the C9 are the new tone map curves selectable in the picture settings?
For example 1000, 4000, 10,000 and dynamic tone mapping (switch) are all 4 individual manual (selectable) settings? Lets say Im playing a game that's mastered beyond 4,000 nits (once calibrated) I can go into the settings and select a 10,000 tone map curve? I'm very interested in this feature.
I’m sure John knows but I think that is all behind the scenes and not accessible to a normal user if you will, but I could be wrong.
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John, how easily correctable is the slight oversaturation? Is this addressed simply by bringing the color level down a notch or two or is it addressed via the CMS?
If you calibrate, then it's corrected. If you don't calibrate you can always turn down the color control a click or two.
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John, when you calibrate the C9 are the new tone map curves selectable in the picture settings?
For example 1000, 4000, 10,000 and dynamic tone mapping (switch) are all 4 individual manual (selectable) settings? Lets say Im playing a game that's mastered beyond 4,000 nits (once calibrated) I can go into the settings and select a 10,000 tone map curve? I'm very interested in this feature.
There are no selectable tone map settings in the user controls, from what I understand and I haven't tested it to confirm, if the metadata is 1,000 nit, then it will use that tone map, the same with 4,000 and 10,000. No metadata then it uses 1,000 nit.

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Coming from a KRP-500M (had one myself before getting an LG B6), I'm curious how you feel motion on the C9 (mainly on TV/movies) compares to the Pioneer.
Plasma TV's did such a good gob with motion and standard content, oh the good old days...lol
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There are no selectable tone map settings in the user controls, from what I understand and I haven't tested it to confirm, if the metadata is 1,000 nit, then it will use that tone map, the same with 4,000 and 10,000. No metadata then it uses 1,000 nit.


Thanks, makes sense. I assume this only works when dynamic tone mapping is set to off?


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Coming from a KRP-500M (had one myself before getting an LG B6), I'm curious how you feel motion on the C9 (mainly on TV/movies) compares to the Pioneer.
So I have not watched that much content (mainly games) except some netflix and GOT the other night. Also I don't feel I am overly sensitive to video "problems". I also dont recall the last time I watched anything standard def. I did not like the default True Motion setting so I turned it off (does this ever improve anything?). Even with that off it feels like there is still some type of "soap opera" feel in certain scenes. However I am new to this tv and have done a minimum of tweaking of even the standard settings. I do think I notice a light judder in certain panning shots but that also might be the content so I don't know. That's always my problem, I never really know which things are the content vs the tv and I think I usually default to blaming the content (in general not specific to this tv).

One question I had for the group is if anyone knows what happens if you are running an xbox one x in game mode using ALLM and you are trying to play movie content from an app on the xbox. Does it auto-switch out of game mode? Should I be manually switching over to cinema or something while viewing this?

Another question is does anyone know if there is any way to program my Harmony to switch the audio output on the LG? I would like to have a button that I could toggle between optical out and hdmi arc out. There is not a button on the remote so I cant program it. Want to essentially know if there are discreet codes for this or even a "next/prev" option.
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So I have not watched that much content (mainly games) except some netflix and GOT the other night. Also I don't feel I am overly sensitive to video "problems". I also dont recall the last time I watched anything standard def. I did not like the default True Motion setting so I turned it off (does this ever improve anything?). Even with that off it feels like there is still some type of "soap opera" feel in certain scenes. However I am new to this tv and have done a minimum of tweaking of even the standard settings. I do think I notice a light judder in certain panning shots but that also might be the content so I don't know. That's always my problem, I never really know which things are the content vs the tv and I think I usually default to blaming the content (in general not specific to this tv).

One question I had for the group is if anyone knows what happens if you are running an xbox one x in game mode using ALLM and you are trying to play movie content from an app on the xbox. Does it auto-switch out of game mode? Should I be manually switching over to cinema or something while viewing this?

Another question is does anyone know if there is any way to program my Harmony to switch the audio output on the LG? I would like to have a button that I could toggle between optical out and hdmi arc out. There is not a button on the remote so I cant program it. Want to essentially know if there are discreet codes for this or even a "next/prev" option.
Earlier in the thread D-Nice recommended the following in regards to trumotion, so you may want to try it and see what you think:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...l#post57835194
"Setting TruMotion to User with De-Judder and De-Blur to zero is far superior to using the same settings on the C8."
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You are going to love it! I purchased a c7 oled from Robert in 2017 when they came out and just picked up a 75 z9d from him that John calibrated. I just need to unpack it tomorrow morning.

After seeing your 65c9 (today was the first day seeing a 65 or 55 c9) I was very impressed with the new AR filter, to me not having that orange peel really makes the set look so much more expensive when it is off and light hits it. It is a silly little detail to some but it makes a difference to me.

I saw no tint or issues with your set, going with VE is worth it to make sure you get a great set and peace of mind plus the ISF cali is tops! Also I love the stand on the c9. The new brightness booster for the white oled helps brighten up sdr content!




I would not read into it, Robert has a super rare prototype 77c9, let’s wait until retail units hit to see what they look like &#x1f642;
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DOES THE 77C9 PANEL HAVE THE SAME PIXEL STRUCTURE AS THE SMALLER SIZED 55/65 C9'S OR IS IT USING THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S (C8) PANEL PIXEL STRUCTURE? SIMILAR TO HOW THE 77C8 USED THE SAME PIXEL STRUCTURE AS THE C7 PANELS INSTEAD OF SMALLER SIZED C8'S

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Hi ART1MUS. Thank you for your interest in the LG C9 77 inch Class 4K Smart OLED TV w/ AI ThinQ® (76.7'' Diag), Model # OLED77C9PUB. Regrettably, information about the pixel structure on our panels is not information that LG shares publicly nor does LG divulge that information...^IFV
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I have pre-ordered the 77C9, looking forward to owning my first OLED. Can someone clue me in to the speculation of 77" models using previous model year's pixel structure? In anyone's experience with the 77" model, is it at a disadvantage, either in Nit output or otherwise to the same year smaller sized models? I asked LG and received an unsatisfying reply that I posted below. Also what exactly is this orange peel effect that some see?

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DOES THE 77C9 PANEL HAVE THE SAME PIXEL STRUCTURE AS THE SMALLER SIZED 55/65 C9'S OR IS IT USING THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S (C8) PANEL PIXEL STRUCTURE? SIMILAR TO HOW THE 77C8 USED THE SAME PIXEL STRUCTURE AS THE C7 PANELS INSTEAD OF SMALLER SIZED C8'S

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Hi ART1MUS. Thank you for your interest in the LG C9 77 inch Class 4K Smart OLED TV w/ AI ThinQ® (76.7'' Diag), Model # OLED77C9PUB. Regrettably, information about the pixel structure on our panels is not information that LG shares publicly nor does LG divulge that information...^IFV
D-Nice posted photos earlier in the thread of the pixel structure of the C9 and unless I missed something it is the same as the previous model year. However something could be different in the 77 since those aren't out in the wild yet.
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Is anyone else having internet speed issues with the C9?

I have 100 mbps internet speed and have both my C9 and Apple TV connected via Ethernet cables to my router.

When tested, I get 100+ mbps on my Apple TV but only around 25 mbps max on the C9 using the internal speed test app downloaded from the LG content store.

Also, when watching Netflix on the internal app, I sometimes don’t get but 1 - 5 mbps which only gives me 720p resolution. When watching Netflix in the internal app, you an hit the 3 dots button (to the right of the 0) on the remote and then go to info. and see what speed and resolution you are receiving.

When watching Netflix through my Apple TV, I don’t have any speed or resolution issues.

Has anyone else experienced this issue? Thanks
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Is anyone else having internet speed issues with the C9?

I have 100 mbps internet speed and have both my C9 and Apple TV connected via Ethernet cables to my router.

When tested, I get 100+ mbps on my Apple TV but only around 25 mbps max on the C9 using the internal speed test app downloaded from the LG content store.

Also, when watching Netflix on the internal app, I sometimes don’t get but 1 - 5 mbps which only gives me 720p resolution. When watching Netflix in the internal app, you an hit the 3 dots button (to the right of the 0) on the remote and then go to info. and see what speed and resolution you are receiving.

When watching Netflix through my Apple TV, I don’t have any speed or resolution issues.

Has anyone else experienced this issue? Thanks

I just checked mine and on both the internal Netflix app as well as the Netflix app via my Firestick, speeds are a bit over 15mbps. PQ is excellent on both.

I'll check my G7 later to see how the speeds on that are. I have 200mps download just as a reference. So I'm not sure if there is a speed limitation on these apps to begin with.
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Also what exactly is this orange peel effect that some see?
It is the anti-glare (anti-reflective) coating. While the tv is off and you look at it edge on, it has a bumpy appearance, similar to an orange peel. It has no effect while watching tv, really just a cosmetic thing that bothers some people.
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That's only an issue with DirectX games AND when rendering at a higher framerate than the display's maximum refresh rate. You can eliminate it by using a frame limiter.

Erm. I'm guessing you don't know how buffering or vsync works from a technical perspective?
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I have pre-ordered the 77C9, looking forward to owning my first OLED. Can someone clue me in to the speculation of 77" models using previous model year's pixel structure? In anyone's experience with the 77" model, is it at a disadvantage, either in Nit output or otherwise to the same year smaller sized models? I asked LG and received an unsatisfying reply that I posted below. Also what exactly is this orange peel effect that some see?

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DOES THE 77C9 PANEL HAVE THE SAME PIXEL STRUCTURE AS THE SMALLER SIZED 55/65 C9'S OR IS IT USING THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S (C8) PANEL PIXEL STRUCTURE? SIMILAR TO HOW THE 77C8 USED THE SAME PIXEL STRUCTURE AS THE C7 PANELS INSTEAD OF SMALLER SIZED C8'S

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Hi ART1MUS. Thank you for your interest in the LG C9 77 inch Class 4K Smart OLED TV w/ AI ThinQ® (76.7'' Diag), Model # OLED77C9PUB. Regrettably, information about the pixel structure on our panels is not information that LG shares publicly nor does LG divulge that information...^IFV

If 77C9 is your first OLED be prepared to be blown away. Enjoy. Sadly LG pulled out of my country and I'll have to wait for Sony's AG9 77".
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Why aren’t there any settings online yet? I have some questions about whether or not to turn on these new settings such as AI Picture and Smooth Gradation.
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