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post #10051 of 12108 Old 12-02-2019, 09:48 AM
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Does anybody have a link to calibration settings?
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Honestly 100% I am skeptical and doubtful. For a few reasons which I’ll list.



Per hdmi consortiums guidelines, the people who make HDMI 2.1 a standard a TV manufacturer can claim HDMI 2.1 even if they do not support All features of said HDMI 2.1



There’s no official word from LG saying exactly what they will deliver and when or what they will deliver. We expect HDMI 2.1 but LG has never officially stated it.



There’s no testing, it could be awful motion artifacts Or Lag It’s like buying a 500HP V8 Mustang but Ford will only let you drive it at 55MPH and use only 300HP saying trust us we will let you have full 500HP one day. And that day is unknown.



Lastly I am skeptical due to GYSNC NVIDIA is only offering the lowest level of GSYNC to the C9 while next gen console will no doubt be certified for AMD FreeSync 2 which eliminates any lag caused by HDR.





https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...ined,6009.html



https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...ined,6008.html



And if LG really is in bed with NVIDIA maybe next years LG C10 will have an NVIDIA GSYNC Ultimate chip inside.

You need a gsync hardware module to not be listed at the lowest tier and no Freesync tv or monitor has a gsync hardware module.

Not sure about the others, but that one was quite the reach. 0 hdmi 2.1 vrr TVs or monitors will receiver higher than the lowest certification from Nvidia.
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Does anybody have a link to calibration settings?
I hope you realize that using another sets gray scale and CMS settings is like asking your friend for their winning Lotto numbers so you can try and use them to win.

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The TV apps seem to switch to Wide Color Gamut in the menus.
Ahh good catch. That would make sense based on what I’m seeing. The actual video content is harder to see. Maybe it’s in my head but I swear the picture is brighter with internal apps lol

I don’t have the tv in front of me. Is the menu gamut locked on Wide? I know I set all modes (when possible) to Auto.
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I hope you realize that using another sets gray scale and CMS settings is like asking your friend for their winning Lotto numbers so you can try and use them to win.
If it's the exact same TV in a smart room how is using a calibration that was expertly done going to make my TV worse than out of the box?

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If it's the exact same TV in a smart room how is using a calibration that was expertly done going to make my TV worse than out of the box?
Every panel is different and what works well for the intended calibrated panel may not be good for another.

Any calibrator will tell you that and even settings videos from Rtings and Vincent teoh say the same thing.

Read up and get familiar with calibration and see why its not recommended to share settings.

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Every panel is different and what works well for the intended calibrated panel may not be good for another.

Any calibrator will tell you that and even settings videos from Rtings and Vincent teoh say the same thing.

Read up and get familiar with calibration and see why its not recommended to share settings.

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I turned on VRR in XBox and connected directly to C9.

I played Gear 5 and did not noticed any diff. Did I miss anything?


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The TV apps seem to switch to Wide Color Gamut in the menus.
Ahh good catch. That would make sense based on what I’️m seeing. The actual video content is harder to see. Maybe it’️s in my head but I swear the picture is brighter with internal apps lol

I don’️t have the tv in front of me. Is the menu gamut locked on Wide? I know I set all modes (when possible) to Auto.
From what I can tell when the actual tv show/ movie starts playing it will set the correct color gamut. I’m not sure about brightness. I tend to use the Apple TV these days to avoid the lip sync issues with some internal apps.
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I turned on VRR in XBox and connected directly to C9.

I played Gear 5 and did not noticed any diff. Did I miss anything?


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You probably have set it all up right and haven't missed anything. Most console games have a capped frame rate and run at 30fps or 60fps. Digital Foundry found Gears runs at 60fps pretty consistently. As the frame rate isn't fluctuating then there is little benefit of VRR. In short, I don't think you'll notice any difference in this scenario.
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Is that due to fact that nVidia uses HDMI 2.0 or to a limitation in the C9?
Neither, those are not the only two options.

The HDMI2.0 maximum bandwidth precludes it being possible so there's no need/value in investigating more. Perhaps both the nVidia video card and the C9 (with HDMI2.1) may well be capable but it's definitely not possible with HDMI2.0. Look at the HDMI2 link in my sig for a table.

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Youtube only supports HDR10 and HLG. The title can say whatever it wants.
^^ This. Sadly, 99% of YouTube videos with "HDR" in the title are NOT, in fact, HDR. YouTube can't/won't police this.

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Hi, Do all Oled panels have some degree of screen tint? My panel (E9) seems to have a horizontal orange tint along the bottom and is a bit distracting as I find I'm always on the look out for it. Any thoughts please. Also would it get beeter over time? The really terrible uniformity pic was when I first got the panel and the other pic was after 3 weeks of use. Thanks
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^^ This. Sadly, 99% of YouTube videos with "HDR" in the title are NOT, in fact, HDR. YouTube can't/won't police this.
That is not how it works. Youtube creates SDR video from ANY HDR! If you are watching it on SDR device, it will show you SDR. But you can download it in HDR VP9.2 with youtube-dl.

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I turned on VRR in XBox and connected directly to C9.

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You probably have set it all up right and haven't missed anything. Most console games have a capped frame rate and run at 30fps or 60fps. Digital Foundry found Gears runs at 60fps pretty consistently. As the frame rate isn't fluctuating then there is little benefit of VRR. In short, I don't think you'll notice any difference in this scenario.
Agree with Ivan. However, I did notice in COD:MW some screen tearing only in very few scenes and situations. Once I realized that I had turned off VRR by accident and put it back on, I did not notice the tearing. Its hard to notice VRRs benefits, but it is there. And once you see tearing on any of your games without VRR, its hard to miss after that.
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You probably have set it all up right and haven't missed anything. Most console games have a capped frame rate and run at 30fps or 60fps. Digital Foundry found Gears runs at 60fps pretty consistently. As the frame rate isn't fluctuating then there is little benefit of VRR. In short, I don't think you'll notice any difference in this scenario.

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Hi, Do all Oled panels have some degree of screen tint? My panel (E9) seems to have a horizontal orange tint along the bottom and is a bit distracting as I find I'm always on the look out for it. Any thoughts please. Also would it get beeter over time? The really terrible uniformity pic was when I first got the panel and the other pic was after 3 weeks of use. Thanks


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I’ve had the c9 for a couple of weeks now and for the most part I like it.
Just wondering how many here turn up their brightness level to overcome the black crush.
The one thing that bothers me about the tv is the lack of detail in dark scenes. Pure black looks fantastic in deep space, but I somehow feel it seems unnatural in the folds of people shirts on a regular sitcom.
I don’t know how anybody could use bt.1886 gamma because that in my experience is terrible for dark scenes.
So far I settled on gamma 2.2 with brightness set to 52. Though still missing dark detail. Need to pump brightness up to upper fifties to show all detail, but then that washes out bright scenes.
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I’ve had the c9 for a couple of weeks now and for the most part I like it.
Just wondering how many here turn up their brightness level to overcome the black crush.
The one thing that bothers me about the tv is the lack of detail in dark scenes. Pure black looks fantastic in deep space, but I somehow feel it seems unnatural in the folds of people shirts on a regular sitcom.
I don’t know how anybody could use bt.1886 gamma because that in my experience is terrible for dark scenes.
So far I settled on gamma 2.2 with brightness set to 52. Though still missing dark detail. Need to pump brightness up to upper fifties to show all detail, but then that washes out bright scenes.
going any higher than 53 brightness = blacks wont be black so not worth it. i use BT 1886 for ISF dark room and love it. are you new to OLED?

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Yes this is my first OLED. I did notice that above 52 pure black is a little greyer, that is why I settled on 52.
Not sure if this is an accurate way of checking, but using the tv’s internal browser I pulled up lagom black level calibration image and I can’t get bars one through five to differ from pure black.
Btw I’m happy to report my screen uniformity is near perfect.
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The 4 I tried all did. Finally settled on a 55” that was much better than the 65” ones I tried.
Are 55" C9s is it in general a better chance of getting good uniformity, low tint on a white screen than the 65" C9s then?
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Yes this is my first OLED. I did notice that above 52 pure black is a little greyer, that is why I settled on 52.
Not sure if this is an accurate way of checking, but using the tv’s internal browser I pulled up lagom black level calibration image and I can’t get bars one through five to differ from pure black.
Btw I’m happy to report my screen uniformity is near perfect.
Easy way to check if your black is black. In a dark room with no lights on and at night, start the internal youtube app and play 10 hours HD black screen. Let your eyes adjust for a few minutes. Raise brightness until you see the black screen glow, then lower 1 click at a time until screen is black again, and that will be your brightness setting. That is a simple way to set brightness correctly.
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I did something similar. Last night a sub channel was broadcasting a black screen. Brightness 49 and below was pure black as soon as I hit 50 I see a little light, 51 is the same, then just a little more at 52 and 53, But it’s still very dark. I almost feel if things only change after two points.
I guess I’m just a little surprised I don’t see more talk on this thread about the loss of dark details.
To me it’s a very noticeable deficiency.
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This may seem like an odd question. I've had my C9 for a little over 2 months now and maybe it was a placebo effect, but running games at like lets say 1080P or 2560x1440 looked really good up close the upscaling was doing a great job. After the last firmware update even 2560x1140 has noticeable artifacts that I didn't see before, my PC can reasonable run the games I play at 4K with decent settings, but I was really enjoying the 120Hz action I was receiving before.


Has anyone else noticed any such problems? Or is it all in my head?


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Haven't posted on this forum in years...

Purchased my 65" C9 this past weekend at Best Buy. Spent the better part of tonight watching test patterns & adjusting settings in attempts to tease out any issues, as well as do an "eyeball calibration".

Looks like I got a pretty damn good panel compared to my prior experiences w/ embarrassingly bad samples from two different 55EG9600's back in 2015 (That I ended up returning for a Sony XBR-55X850C that I've been using ever since, pretty happily). On the LG 65C9: No perceivable vertical banding or uniformity issues at useful "illumination intensity" settings. Only until I set "OLED Light" to 0 w/ a 5% or less greyscale image, some gradual / low spacial frequency horizontal uniformity issues are just barely noticeable if you look for it.

The ONLY thing I did notice w/ proper picture settings & actual content, is VERY slight increase in brightness, as well as a chromaticity shift along the edges of the panel during uniformly bright / saturated scenes (Approx 1.5" inward from the edge, all around, especially in the corners). You really have to be looking for it, but it's noticeably there, even if I get up to move my eyes to be perpendicular to that section of screen to remove off axis shift as a factor... It's like the opposite of a good quality backlight LCD; where on LCD panels, the brightness reduces at the far edges & colors become more saturated (not noticeable unless you look for it, but it's clearly there). I'm guessing this is "normal" / typical of LG's OLED panels? Has anyone seen this get worse over time?

Either way, pretty damn happy with this particular sample, especially considering my previous HIGHLY disappointing experience with OLED technology. Hopefully it's indicative of a mature manufacturing process / QA process, where embarrassingly bad panels are few & far between these days.

I do wonder how well the TV is going to hold up over time to being shaken to hell by my subs, that have loosened the dry wall from the studs & cracked the nearby window before...
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Real Cinema is definitely doing some frame interpolation on 24fps content from the aforementioned Apple TV 4K, even with TruMotion turned OFF (or set to User 0/0) and/or Match Frame Rate turned OFF. I really, really hate it. The best result to my eyes, thus far, is Real Cinema and TruMotion OFF; Match Frame Rate ON. This contradicts everything I've read but at the end of the day I have to trust my eyes...
@ConnecTEDDD could you weigh in on this? You don't mention anything like that in this comment of yours.
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Here is a video of the vertical banding on my 65 inch c9 when playing sea of thieves (if possible watch it in 4k). This is the worst case in terms of banding I have ever seen while gaming. Would you say that this banding is worse than on your sets? (this question is especially relevant for people who play lots of games on the c9 as many games do not show this degree of vertical banding)

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Hi, I haven't checked what Apple TV 4K is doing, but the users can see what framerate their TV's is receiving from HDMI Input by entering to LG's Hidden Diagnostics Menu.

But you can't see what is the content native framerate if its been used a streaming provider for such content evaluation.

The best method is to use a stand-alone player with a blu-ray disk for example where you are sure about the content frame rate for such evaluations.

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Thanks @ConnecTEDDD . I take it then that you have never experienced Real Cinema doing any interpolation or otherwise degrading the quality or causing artifacts?
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With 24p content and Real Cinema ON, I haven't seen any problem or interpolation.
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