MY STINT WITH NO STUTTER:
Originally Posted by D Bone
I use User 3/3. I tried clear for a while, but I noticed SOE and saw some artifacts every once in a while.
User 3/3 is like 'clear light' and eliminates most stutter (not judder)[/B] without any visible artifacts on real world content. To me, clear seems like 5/3 on the user setting, but everyone is different when it comes to motion.
Regarding less stutter, I have a bit of a long story that I would like to get people to weigh in on here - especially KC-Technerd
. He has, hands down, the best and most informative posts about Real Cinema (along with everything else)!
I had the Sony A9G and the LG C9 and the same time and compared the two tvs with my blu-rays.
The Sony is known for it's motion and I found this to be true. But this tv also suffered from the OLED stutter.
But on my LG, I had virtually zero stutter. I would address this issue on their Sony A9G forums and I had them scratching their heads with me for a while until one of them concluded that I must not have 24fps engaged.
Sure enough. When I turned on Real Cinema, the tv finally looked much more like film, but the characteristic stutter was also introduced.
Now why wouldn't I know from watching my movies with Real Cinema off, it not looking like film?
Well I was new to LG and their settings and to be honest, it didn't look all that bad! I just assumed this was how LG did motion. (Keep in mind as you read all of this that I don't use any motion smoothing whatsoever).
If you watch slow pans such as Snow White and the Huntsman
toward the beginning where it pans up a pink blossom tree to the castle, at 2:16
time index, with Real Cinema off, there is virtually no stutter. With Real Cinema on, it returns. With it off, the lack of stutter is unmistakable. It's more than a 3:2 pulldown "look". With movie credits, the difference is minimal.
With all of this, I would say two things:
If you hate stutter, turning off Real Cinema will provide this, but you will lose the 24fps film cadence and look. (But I noticed that this tv has a non-24 look that is much less pronounced in a bad way than with other sets. (It is not because 24fps is going into 120Hz 5 times evenly, with Real Cinema turned off either. Read KC-Technerd's post #14422
where he states, "Strangely, our LG OLEDs will only pass through and display 23.976 if "Real Cinema" is turned "ON." If it is turned "OFF" it will alter the video to conform with 59.94."
Has anyone else noticed this change in stutter with Real Cinema off?
It was so pronounced I actually had to "morn" having stutter reintroduced. But I would rather not have a "video" 60ps and or 3:2 pull down look. But for some, this might be a workaround. It's not 100% stutter free, but the difference is very pronounced.
But in the end, I guess I shouldn't be too surprised by this.
I would assume that this (mostly) stutter free but not judder free smoothness the simple result of more frames with RC off - 60 with 3:2 pulldown vs RC on - 24 fps.
has another post #14453
where he stated to someone else, "With Real Cinema turned OFF, the changing length of time that frames are displayed (alternating between 1/20th and 1/30th second) ADDS judder on top of stutter. Stutter is the result of low but consistent frame rate, and will be evident during fast motion or panning on 24fps material unless frame interpolation is used. Judder is the result of an inconsistent frame rate. Apparently you are accustomed to the judder and miss it when it's gone."
I've been aware for a long time that 3:2 pulldown adds judder due to the uneven cadence associated with the uneven math. I've seen this for years. But this time, it wasn't a "trade-off" between getting more judder for less stutter. Stutter is really annoying and having most of it disappear was very enjoyable albeit with the caveat of a non 24p film look.
KC-Technerd didn't really comment on the aspect of stutter in that post. But I would assume that if he saw this, he would have mentioned it AND he really knows his stuff.
So I'm left scratching my head. (No one else has posted noticing this either- that I'm aware of).
It would be good to hear from him and others about this. Perhaps others can experiment with slow panning content with Real Cinema on and off. (Just make sure your blu-ray player is set to 24p). You may still see stutter, but there should be a very noticeable reduction - especially with a direct/immediate comparison. (Blu-ray panning scenes with stutter abound).