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I'm trying to sell my OLED55C6P to move up to a 65" OLED & for someone who only does basic streaming (Netflix, Hulu, Youtube, Amazon) is the C9 worth the extra cost vs the C8? I currently stream via Shield TV, but with a C8 or C9, I'll move to streaming via the TV directly. The only reason I don't right now, is the C6 doesn't support DD+ via ARC. I have a Denon X3500H and UB820. I know "only I can decide if the cost is worth it", just looking to get feedback.
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I'm trying to sell my OLED55C6P to move up to a 65" OLED & for someone who only does basic streaming (Netflix, Hulu, Youtube, Amazon) is the C9 worth the extra cost vs the C8? I currently stream via Shield TV, but with a C8 or C9, I'll move to streaming via the TV directly. The only reason I don't right now, is the C6 doesn't support DD+ via ARC. I have a Denon X3500H and UB820. I know "only I can decide if the cost is worth it", just looking to get feedback.
Either 8 or 9 would be a good jump from the 6

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Ok so judging by RTINGS numbers

The C9 cannot do [email protected], they are mutually exclusive?


either [email protected] or [email protected]?

Correct me if I'm wrong please, because television manufacturers have used this trick before.
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Ok so judging by RTINGS numbers

The C9 cannot do [email protected], they are mutually exclusive?


either [email protected] or [email protected]?

Correct me if I'm wrong please.
It can do 4K at 120Hz, but your source needs to have an HDMI 2.1 port (like the LG does) to be able to do this. So an internal app can run 4K at 120 Hz just like last year's models can (other than the B8), but there are currently no other devices that I know of that feature HDMI 2.1 ports. You'll have to wait for a new generation of graphics cards or consoles for that. But yes, the C9 can do it.
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It can do 4K at 120Hz, but your source needs to have an HDMI 2.1 port (like the LG does) to be able to do this. So an internal app can run 4K at 120 Hz just like last year's models can (other than the B8), but there are currently no other devices that I know of that feature HDMI 2.1 ports. You'll have to wait for a new generation of graphics cards or consoles for that. But yes, the C9 can do it.
Just asking because it is missing from rtings numbers
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I’ve had my 55” C9 for almost a month now and have enjoyed every minute of it!

I think I finally have all my settings dialed in but keep getting torn between color temperature.

I have read that warm 2 is the most accurate. However, on some content it is just slightly too yellowish and I prefer warm 1. Specifically, on Dolby Vision content.

Warm 1 seems to make the bright HDR highlights pop a little more. Also, this makes all the whites a little cleaner (less yellow) and brighter.

I know a lot of this is personal preference but figured it couldn’t hurt to ask. What color temperature setting are y’all using? Thanks for the help!
Mine was pro-calibrated...i was like you before i got my first oled a few years ago and now have lived exclusively on warm2 as the most accurate and that's what's used for calibrations. I suggest you keep it on that and you'll get used to it eventually.
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Be careful with that...your status doesn't change for 15-20 days. Whatever your status was when you bought it is what gets applied. So if you were Elite when you bought it, you only get 30 days and once your account is updated, any NEW purchases would be ELITE PLUS with 45 days...just as an example.
Thanks, I'll have to look into that. Best Buy sent me an email a few days ago saying that I'm now an Elite Member. Under my account settings There's no return date information for my C9, but there is a return date for the Panasonic UB820 that I bought the day before I bought the C9 and it gives a date 30 days out. I'll have to talk to Best Buy to be sure though.
Your return period is on your receipt.
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According to LG's user manual

http://kr.eguide.lgappstv.com/manual...a_eng/etc.html

The C9 display is only capable of [email protected] and [email protected]


Might be wrong, just doing my due diligence.
Don't want to buy it and then later read the fine print, that only certain things are possible.
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According to LG's user manual

http://kr.eguide.lgappstv.com/manual...a_eng/etc.html

The C9 display is only capable of [email protected] and [email protected]


Might be wrong, just doing my due diligence.
Don't want to buy it and then later read the fine print, that only certain things are possible.
Honestly doesn’t make sense as it would not really be 2.1 capable then. Problem we have is nothing to test 4k 120hz right? Besides usb drive or something but no actual output devices.
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Talking OLED77C9 delivery date confirmed!

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I was in Costco today and they had the 55C9 displayed for about $2400. Looked good.
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Tens of days maybe. I was told by Lg rep last week that June for the 77.

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Ugh I really hope it's sooner, like mid May as suggested on B&H's website. Got a newly built out theater room with 7.2.4 atmos and 2080ti PC rig waiting for this baby to come.

A PC Richards rep called to confirm they have received the 77C9 in their warehouse but after placing me on hold, she wasn't able to give a delivery hour window since it is street dated for 5/13. What a tease of a phone call! But she did say they will follow up on the 13th to give me a 4-hour window for delivery on 5/14. So I will be an OLED owner in less than two weeks!
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Either C8 or C9 would be a good jump from the 6
From what I have seen the C8 will not be released until 07/18/2019


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According to LG's user manual

http://kr.eguide.lgappstv.com/manual...a_eng/etc.html

The C9 display is only capable of [email protected] and [email protected]


Might be wrong, just doing my due diligence.
Don't want to buy it and then later read the fine print, that only certain things are possible.
While not conclusive, the manual not citing 4k @ 120Hz is pretty damning evidence...

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Listed in the manual, is only the 8K version(doesn't exist yet) that has [email protected] the rest are [email protected]
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According to LG's user manual

http://kr.eguide.lgappstv.com/manual...a_eng/etc.html

The C9 display is only capable of [email protected] and [email protected]


Might be wrong, just doing my due diligence.
Don't want to buy it and then later read the fine print, that only certain things are possible.
We don't yet have proof for 4k 120hz with full chroma and there are no hdmi 2.1 devices atm to hook to the tv and test. But the manual leaving out 4k 120hz is suspicious, is it coming via a firmware update, the manual doesn't say anything about that. And here's the thing..remember that all hdmi 2.1 features are 'optional', according to hdmi.org. Manufacturers are free to pick and implement whatever hdmi 2.1 features they want, while still giving it the 2.1 label. Just having a hdmi 2.1 48gbps port does not mean that the tv processes all hdmi 2.1 features. hdmi 2.1 also supports 8k and 10k resolutions, of course a c9 won't be supporting that. I'm curious about other 2.1 features, like QMS (quick media switching) and QFT and whether lg oleds support that. It's still an unclear situation on the true hdmi 2.1 capabilities of the c9.
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Considering the original stories looked like this

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019...k-monstrosity/

they'd have quite a legal battle ahead if they didn't support 120hz 4k. It was all the hype of CES this year.
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Considering the original stories looked like this

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019...k-monstrosity/

they'd have quite a legal battle ahead if they didn't support 120hz 4k. It was all the hype of CES this year.
I guess time will tell.
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4k 120Hz 4:2:0 is not within official HDMI2.0b spec, so it could be not supported by current graphics cards HDMI 2.0b ports, even setting a custom resolution with CRU (Custom Resolution Utility).
A user of this thread (thanks aflscott!) already tried and managed to enable 2160i @ 120Hz with his 1080ti (interlaced and not progressive).
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Hi,

so this is my first post.
I have been luring around a few weeks now.
So sorry, if some questions have already been answered.

- About the [email protected] thing:
From what I know the C9 does not support [email protected] via HDMI/USB at the moment.
LG Germany also has this information linked in their tech specs (I can not paste a link at the moment):

Just check: Technische Daten => Bild => HFR => 4K: via USB und HDMI (per Update im Laufe des Jahres) / 2K: via USB und HDMI

But they support of [email protected] will arrive later this year via Update ("per Update im Laufe des Jahres"; feel free to use Google Translate in order to confirm this). This should also apply on models from other countries. Even though other LG branches have not any information about this at all. But thats probably the reason why RTINGs does not list this option on their Early Access Review page and why some LG manuals does not list this resolution as well.

- In terms of HDCP 2.3:
LG Australia mentions this at the bottom of their page:
SM86, SM81, UM76, UM73: HDMI ports support HDCP 2.2 and 60fps @ 2160p. W9 ~ B9, SM94 ~ SM90: HDMI ports support HDCP 2.3 and 120fps @ 2160p Z9, SM99: HDMI ports support HDCP 2.3 and 60fps @ 4320p

So in theory LGs C9 should support HDCP 2.3. But in this case only while using [email protected] content. Since the LG C9 does not support [email protected] at the moment, their is no HDCP 2.2.

What might be interesting for you: I already asked LG Germany and LG US about the HDCP 2.3 thing. But they do not have any information about this at the moment. From the looks of things it will be included in the update that adds [email protected] Which also means that you probaby need HDCP 2.3 in future in order to use [email protected] or [email protected] With HDCP 2.2 you might be locked at [email protected]
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Hi,

so this is my first post.
I have been luring around a few weeks now.
So sorry, if some questions have already been answered.

- About the [email protected] thing:
From what I know the C9 does not support [email protected] via HDMI/USB at the moment.
LG Germany also has this information linked in their tech specs (I can not paste a link at the moment):

Just check: Technische Daten => Bild => HFR => 4K: via USB und HDMI (per Update im Laufe des Jahres) / 2K: via USB und HDMI

But they support of [email protected] will arrive later this year via Update ("per Update im Laufe des Jahres"; feel free to use Google Translate in order to confirm this). This should also apply on models from other countries. Even though other LG branches have not any information about this at all. But thats probably the reason why RTINGs does not list this option on their Early Access Review page and why some LG manuals does not list this resolution as well.

- In terms of HDCP 2.3:
LG Australia mentions this at the bottom of their page:
SM86, SM81, UM76, UM73: HDMI ports support HDCP 2.2 and 60fps @ 2160p. W9 ~ B9, SM94 ~ SM90: HDMI ports support HDCP 2.3 and 120fps @ 2160p Z9, SM99: HDMI ports support HDCP 2.3 and 60fps @ 4320p

So in theory LGs C9 should support HDCP 2.3. But in this case only while using [email protected] content. Since the LG C9 does not support [email protected] at the moment, their is no HDCP 2.2.

What might be interesting for you: I already asked LG Germany and LG US about the HDCP 2.3 thing. But they do not have any information about this at the moment. From the looks of things it will be included in the update that adds [email protected] Which also means that you probaby need HDCP 2.3 in future in order to use [email protected] or [email protected] With HDCP 2.2 you might be locked at [email protected]

Oh wow, thank you for this information.

Is hdcp really tied to [email protected]? What about gaming, which as far as i know doesn't use hdcp

interesting this bit:
B9 ~ W9: HDMI ports support HDCP 2.3 and 120fps @ 2160p
Z9 HDMI ports support HDCP 2.3 and 60fps @ 4320p

I don't know what SM94-SM90 is or SM99 edit: oh nevermind they are the LCD nanocell models.


SOoooooooo, waiting of firmware, which may never arrive.
Might have to wait then, buying on promises is never a good idea.

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A PC Richards rep called to confirm they have received the 77C9 in their warehouse but after placing me on hold, she wasn't able to give a delivery hour window since it is street dated for 5/13. What a tease of a phone call! But she did say they will follow up on the 13th to give me a 4-hour window for delivery on 5/14. So I will be an OLED owner in less than two weeks!
ohhhhhhhh boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!! Congrats! Hopefully VE will get the 77 soon too! I see best buy also has them finally as "coming soon" as of only a few days ago. Been a lot of page refreshes on open windows each day here waiting!

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Oh wow, thank you for this information.

Is hdcp really tied to [email protected]? What about gaming, which as far as i know doesn't use hdcp

interesting this bit: W9 ~ B9, SM94 ~ SM90: HDMI ports support HDCP 2.3 and 120fps @ 2160p Z9, SM99: HDMI ports support HDCP 2.3 and 60fps @ 4320p

I don't know what SM94-SM90 is or SM99 (maybe the 8k versions?)

Thats my guess.
Can be false though. But I think we had a similar situation in the past.
Back when HDMI 2.0 was new some devices came with 18GBit HDMI 2.0 ports.
But without HDCP 2.2. So these devices were pretty much useless. Even though you had
the bandwidth. Thats why you can still buy HDCP Converters.

SM94 and SM90 are their UHD LED TVs (thats why they do not show up with 4320p in that list).
Z9 and SM99 are their 8K TVs.
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HDCP is only tied to monetized video content. There is no concern here regarding resolution capabilities or refresh rate capabilities.
If there were a movie format that required HDCP 2.3 and you didn't have it, the movie disc would not play back correctly or your streaming service such as Netflix would display the relevant HDCP error.
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Crazy if true. Basically everything LG stated at CES that was new about the 2019 sets (120 Hz BFI, 120 Hz 4K via HDMI 2.1) was a lie? lol. I always hate the "may be included in a future update whenever we get to it" garbage.
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The Rtings.com review is up for the C9

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c9-oled
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I'm curious about other 2.1 features, like QMS (quick media switching) and QFT and whether lg oleds support that. It's still an unclear situation on the true hdmi 2.1 capabilities of the c9.
Yeah, I thought it very odd when the latest Digital Trends C8 vs C9 video proclaimed that the C9 comes with "full HDMI 2.1".
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The Rtings.com review is up for the C9

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c9-oled
Interesting note at the end, regarding brightness of full field white : https://www.rtings.com/tv/discussion...ghtness-oddity
Also, I would have hoped that they devoted some space to clarify that BFI has not improved from last year's model, considering all the communication by LG (and media outlets that received information from them) up until release.
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Interesting note at the end, regarding brightness of full field white : https://www.rtings.com/tv/discussion...ghtness-oddity
Also, I would have hoped that they devoted some space to clarify that BFI has not improved from last year's model, considering all the communication by LG (and media outlets that received information from them) up until release.
We don't usually comment on things like that, so we tried to make it clear by explicitly stating in the BFI box that it is just an on/off toggle. We have heard that they had issues with the feature, and pulled it at the last second, but that it is still in the works for later on, but we don't know for sure. We'll update the review if they add it.

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The LG C9 has outstanding low input lag in 'Game' mode. In 'PC' mode, the input lag is higher than the C8, which is somewhat strange.

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Now I regret selling my c8. With all the hype from hdmi 2.1 4k 120hz vrr, no more black crush and people saying hdr is significantly brighter, I don’t see that in rtings reviews.
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