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The tint on the C9 doesn’t look like a significant improvement to my E6 judging from the pictures. That’s my biggest gripe with the E6 and it looks like it’ll continue to be when I buy the C9.

For me, the E6 is the holy grail because of the out of this world 3D. I just saw Endgame in RealD 3D and I couldn’t believe the difference. The image in the theater was soft and dark. The last couple years with the E6 I’ve been stunned at the continued abandonment of 3D by consumers and the film industry. Well, I learned why during Endgame. The experience was hampered more than it was enhanced. Is it really that expensive for LG to add 3D to newer generation OLEDs?
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Hey. Can anyone with a 77” measure the stand please? Width, depth, and height. I'm ready to buy but just need to know if it’ll fit. Thanks in advance!
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Can someone summarize the main differences in PQ between the C8 and C9? I currently have a an E6 calibrated by ChadB, and heard the near dark quality is better on later models as well as processing of poor sources. The C8 seems like the better value but not if the C9 is substantially better in these particular areas.
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Since I'm ordering through BB/Magnolia, and part of my package includes a "professional calibration" for $50, I was wondering if anybody has used BB's calibration service?
Were they any good?
Most would say even at $50 buck's its a gamble....Not saying its impossible to get a good calibration with BB but there are some horror stories. Can not go wrong with the guys below the guys below.

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Can someone summarize the main differences in PQ between the C8 and C9? I currently have a an E6 calibrated by ChadB, and heard the near dark quality is better on later models as well as processing of poor sources. The C8 seems like the better value but not if the C9 is substantially better in these particular areas.
Pretty much all of the differences C8 vs C9:
HDMI 2.1 (which may also benefit non-gamers in the future due to the increased bandwidth)
VRR (gamers only)
eARC with Dolby Atmos & DTS:X (if you have an audio system that supports it)
Variable Analog Audio Out
improved color volume
seems to be better with temporary image retention
screen is less darkened for news channels that have icons, banners, etc. (ASBL)
possibly better at avoiding burn-in, time will tell (less relevant for non-gamers and non-news watchers)
adds 1440p resolution
improved input lag at 120Hz (gamers only or for people who use tv as a monitor)
ALLM (Auto Low Latency Mode)
metal stand instead of plastic, larger footprint, more stable
improved WebOS (runs smoother, plus a few more options)
Alexa, Google Assistant & Airplay 2
Connect/control various Internet of Things devices

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Possibly loss of the Zoom function, button no longer on remote
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Got my 77"C9 from Value Electronics today! Came at like 4pm and I finally got it mounted and up and running. Whole new theater room with 7.2.4 Atmos. Waiting on my seats still and a replacement amp for my left def tech bp9060.

Got lots of watching, testing, calibrating and gaming to do!
I also have a 2080ti hooked up to it too from my PC so I'll be testing atmos, and other things like 4:4:4 handling. Also an xbox one X. Sadly have to work tomorrow so it'll be some time to test things out.

Our planet so far on Netflix looks f**king fantastic!
Hopefully the pics attach.

Those lights would be off for movie watching normally, FYI.

Hi, congrats for the setup: it's absolutely stunning!

Can I ask you to do some test with your 2080ti in order to understand if 4k 120Hz HDR 4:2:0 works in PC mode?


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Got my 77"C9 from Value Electronics today! Came at like 4pm and I finally got it mounted and up and running. Whole new theater room with 7.2.4 Atmos. Waiting on my seats still and a replacement amp for my left def tech bp9060.

Got lots of watching, testing, calibrating and gaming to do!
I also have a 2080ti hooked up to it too from my PC so I'll be testing atmos, and other things like 4:4:4 handling. Also an xbox one X. Sadly have to work tomorrow so it'll be some time to test things out.

Our planet so far on Netflix looks f**king fantastic!
Hopefully the pics attach.

Those lights would be off for movie watching normally, FYI.
Wow bro, clean set up...super jealous and congrats!!!
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Hey. Can anyone with a 77” measure the stand please? Width, depth, and height. I'm ready to buy but just need to know if it’ll fit. Thanks in advance!
30 inches wide (it ends in triangular points), 11 inches deep (technically more like 10 and 7/8th probably), and it looks like it would add 2.25 inches to the total height of the TV (it's not mounted to mine, so that's from the floor to the flat portion of the stand that would but up to the TV.)


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Hi, congrats for the setup: it's absolutely stunning!
Can I ask you to do some test with your 2080ti in order to understand if 4k 120Hz HDR 4:2:0 works in PC mode?
Thanks
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Yep that's something I plan to try out and see how it looks (or works). Thanks for the reminder. I also want to see if the set will pass 4:4:4 from my PC when the TV is in PC mode and when not in PC mode too -seems like there were some questions about that.


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Wow bro, clean set up...super jealous and congrats!!!
Thanks! Even spent like 3 hrs doing the cable management behind the BDI stand there so it's all bundled in a nice braided sleeve so I can easily pull the cabinet out.
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Also, @jrref I know this was discussed a bit and you said out of the box for Dolby Vision - Dolby Vision Cinema (not home) is most accurate. But I'm not sure if you mentioned for HDR10 - did you also find Cinema (vs Technicolor) the most accurate out the box in your findings? I'll be doing an auto-cal at some point so I'm assuming it's best to use HDR10- Cinema for that since Technicolor has a unique white point.
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I’ve been stunned at the continued abandonment of 3D by consumers and the film industry. Well, I learned why during Endgame. The experience was hampered more than it was enhanced.
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Also, @jrref I know this was discussed a bit and you said out of the box for Dolby Vision - Dolby Vision Cinema (not home) is most accurate. But I'm not sure if you mentioned for HDR10 - did you also find Cinema (vs Technicolor) the most accurate out the box in your findings? I'll be doing an auto-cal at some point so I'm assuming it's best to use HDR10- Cinema for that since Technicolor has a unique white point.
Thanks.
Yes for HDR Cinema is the most accurate.
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Since I'm ordering through BB/Magnolia, and part of my package includes a "professional calibration" for $50, I was wondering if anybody has used BB's calibration service?
Were they any good?
I'm not sure what kind of a calibration you can possibly get for $50 especially on an LG which takes about 3-4 hours to calibrate all the picture modes but here is the latest list of professional calibrators.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/prof...ation-services
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I'm very intresting in this model. Since with the expection of HDR. It was a lower input lag for [email protected] and [email protected] 4:4:4 than my B6 does. A input lag of 13.4 ms for [email protected] and 13.3 ms for [email protected] 4:4:4 is a lot better than what TV has for input lag.
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How do the C7 panels compare in those regards? I myself have a 65 inch C7 and I'm interested in the C9.
The C7's were actually pretty good if you were lucky to get one without severe "jail bar" banding but the 8's and 9's still give you a better overall picture.

Personally if I had a 6 and wasn't interested in 3D then I would get an 8 or 9. If I had a good 7 and didn't need any of the gaming features I wouldn't upgrade unless you wanted a larger screen size.
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I'm not sure what kind of a calibration you can possibly get for $50 especially on an LG which takes about 3-4 hours to calibrate all the picture modes but here is the latest list of professional calibrators.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/prof...ation-services
Or, for the price of a professional calibration, purchase the appropriate CalMan license and a meter and use the in-set calibration capability and get results that would probably satisfy the overwhelming majority of consumers.

And then own the tools to calibrate your own displays in the future.
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Hear, hear!



Not expensive at all, just that the 3D at home is dead and buried. Revival moment: unknown...
I'm amazed that there are still so many 3D releases in theater this long after the latest 3D wave peaked. Worth noting though that 3D shows are a lot scarcer where I am and the 2D showings usually sell out first in the flagship theaters where you can buy your tickets ahead of time and reserve your favorite seats (Alamo Draft House).
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Got my 77"C9 from Value Electronics today! Came at like 4pm and I finally got it mounted and up and running. Whole new theater room with 7.2.4 Atmos. Waiting on my seats still and a replacement amp for my left def tech bp9060.

Got lots of watching, testing, calibrating and gaming to do!
I also have a 2080ti hooked up to it too from my PC so I'll be testing atmos, and other things like 4:4:4 handling. Also an xbox one X. Sadly have to work tomorrow so it'll be some time to test things out.

Our planet so far on Netflix looks f**king fantastic!
Hopefully the pics attach.

Those lights would be off for movie watching normally, FYI.
Congrats! Looks beautiful. If you end up looking at the 5% IRE slide be sure to post it. Interested to see how the 77s are this year.

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The C7's were actually pretty good if you were lucky to get one without severe "jail bar" banding but the 8's and 9's still give you a better overall picture.

Personally if I had a 6 and wasn't interested in 3D then I would get an 8 or 9. If I had a good 7 and didn't need any of the gaming features I wouldn't upgrade unless you wanted a larger screen size.
Just my own opinion.
Thanks @jrref , that's good to know. I might get one soon. Do you think that LG will have a firmware update for IMAX ENHANCED like the Sony sets do? Also, when do you think we'll start seeing 12 bit panels? I'm really trying to hold off until then, but that might take another 5-10 years..... By then OLED will probably be on par with LED/LCD as far as NITS go? lol
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Thanks @jrref , that's good to know. I might get one soon. Do you think that LG will have a firmware update for IMAX ENHANCED like the Sony sets do? Also, when do you think we'll start seeing 12 bit panels? I'm really trying to hold off until then, but that might take another 5-10 years..... By then OLED will probably be on par with LED/LCD as far as NITS go? lol
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Or, for the price of a professional calibration, purchase the appropriate CalMan license and a meter and use the in-set calibration capability and get results that would probably satisfy the overwhelming majority of consumers.

And then own the tools to calibrate your own displays in the future.
What would be the appropriate CalMan license and meter for an LG 2019 OLED model?
1x CalMAN Home for LG
1x X-Rite OEM i1Display colorime

or do you need the SpectraCal C6 HDR2000 or both, what's the difference between the two? I'm guessing the VideoForge Pro is no longer needed with the 2019 LG OLEDs, right?

Thanks!
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I'm amazed that there are still so many 3D releases in theater this long after the latest 3D wave peaked. Worth noting though that 3D shows are a lot scarcer where I am and the 2D showings usually sell out first in the flagship theaters where you can buy your tickets ahead of time and reserve your favorite seats (Alamo Draft House).
Yeah, in my country 3D shows are a majority but the actual projection quality is all over the place, no consistency, you may get a fine experience in a location or a horrific one in another location... Dimm screens and image softness are prevalent... They do not care about quality and that will doom 3D in cinema.

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I'm not sure what kind of a calibration you can possibly get for $50 especially on an LG which takes about 3-4 hours to calibrate all the picture modes but here is the latest list of professional calibrators.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/prof...ation-services
John, is Kevin Miller no longer doing calibrations?

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Thanks for the reference. BB's calibration is normally $250 but as part of their "Total Tech Support" annual membership package, all their services (including ceiling speaker or NEST camera installations, TV calibration, etc.) are discounted. I've heard they spend about 3 - 4 hours on their calibration service, but I don't know if these are ISF certified calibrators or just some kid who took an online course for Geek Squad in-house certification.
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BB gave me a discount on their "Total Tech Support", which is an annual fee ($200) that discounts all their onsite support services, including ceiling speaker installations or Nest security camera installations, and also includes calibration services. Because I was going to install about 8 Nest security cameras plus Nest dead bolts anyway, $50 per install is way way cheaper than what the Nest Pros are charging ($90 to $100 per device).
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Got my 77"C9 from Value Electronics today! Came at like 4pm and I finally got it mounted and up and running. Whole new theater room with 7.2.4 Atmos. Waiting on my seats still and a replacement amp for my left def tech bp9060.

Got lots of watching, testing, calibrating and gaming to do!
I also have a 2080ti hooked up to it too from my PC so I'll be testing atmos, and other things like 4:4:4 handling. Also an xbox one X. Sadly have to work tomorrow so it'll be some time to test things out.

Our planet so far on Netflix looks f**king fantastic!
Hopefully the pics attach.

Those lights would be off for movie watching normally, FYI.
CONGRATS, love your setup (especially the wood planks, very nice!), a few questions:
1. How far are you sitting from the screen?
2. How wide are your side walls?
3. Will you be watching in complete darkness or dimly lit?

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I spoke to BB yesterday and the rep told me he thought it would be days. They are already at the warehouse, you would think if the embargo was going to be for weeks they wouldn't have them yet.
FYI: In another thread regarding availability of the 77" Sony A9G OLED, they're saying that embargo will be lifted on June 2nd.
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Congrats! Looks beautiful. If you end up looking at the 5% IRE slide be sure to post it. Interested to see how the 77s are this year.
Yeah I'm sure I will eventually. Probably try to get in a comp cycle or two first. So far based on a few things I watched it looks really clean in content. Like the opening to season 3 of Netflix's Daredevil.

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What would be the appropriate CalMan license and meter for an LG 2019 OLED model?
1x CalMAN Home for LG
1x X-Rite OEM i1Display colorime

or do you need the SpectraCal C6 HDR2000 or both, what's the difference between the two? I'm guessing the VideoForge Pro is no longer needed with the 2019 LG OLEDs, right?

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Check out our discussion here:
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I personally bought an OEM i1Display and LG auto cal. Another user on there is using the same.

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CONGRATS, love your setup (especially the wood planks, very nice!), a few questions:
1. How far are you sitting from the screen?
2. How wide are your side walls?
3. Will you be watching in complete darkness or dimly lit?
1) I'll have 2 rows of 3 seats, first row is around 8 to 10 feet back to viewing, second row is probably 15 ft or so on 8" riser. I'll have to measure and get back. Hard to be exact without the seats in place yet. It might be a little close for some people's taste in the front row, but I like to roll up my desk chair and sit like 4 feet from my 55" when gaming so....I won't need to do that in this room lol.
2) room is a little over 12 feet wide. I think like 148 inches or so.
3) most likely total darkness for blockbuster movies, but probably dim lighting like my posts for gaming (unless horror game) or more casual viewing.
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post #2187 of 3570 Old 05-17-2019, 10:38 AM
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30 inches wide (it ends in triangular points), 11 inches deep (technically more like 10 and 7/8th probably), and it looks like it would add 2.25 inches to the total height of the TV (it's not mounted to mine, so that's from the floor to the flat portion of the stand that would but up to the TV.)





Yep that's something I plan to try out and see how it looks (or works). Thanks for the reminder. I also want to see if the set will pass 4:4:4 from my PC when the TV is in PC mode and when not in PC mode too -seems like there were some questions about that.




Thanks! Even spent like 3 hrs doing the cable management behind the BDI stand there so it's all bundled in a nice braided sleeve so I can easily pull the cabinet out.
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Also, @jrref I know this was discussed a bit and you said out of the box for Dolby Vision - Dolby Vision Cinema (not home) is most accurate. But I'm not sure if you mentioned for HDR10 - did you also find Cinema (vs Technicolor) the most accurate out the box in your findings? I'll be doing an auto-cal at some point so I'm assuming it's best to use HDR10- Cinema for that since Technicolor has a unique white point.
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Could you also check if you can get lossless audio passed over eARC (assuming you have the 2080 Ti plugged directly into the TV and the TV plugged into an eARC compatible receiver)?
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It will not work - only Stereo and Dolby Atmos will be possible.
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It will not work - only Stereo and Dolby Atmos will be possible.
Why do you say that?
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It will not work - only Stereo and Dolby Atmos will be possible.
Why only those two? From what I understand a TV and stereo receiver with eARC can handle all audio types. This is one of the reason why I did not purchase the Samsung Q90. My hope for my new setup with the C9 or A9G is to connect NVIDIA Shield, Dish, etc. to the TV rather then connect it to the receiver.
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