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Which TM settings are you using now?

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I own an LG 65" C9. I'm thrilled with it.
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Got my C9 Friday and swapped it out with the same connections I had with my C7. Only HDMI connection is going to my Denon 3300 receiver.


The C9 loses HDMI signal, especially when switching between input sources. This morning the only way I could get anything to show up on the HDMI ports (Swapped cable between HDMI1 and HDMI2) was to turn off, unplug the power to the C9, then reconnect.

I do have certified HDMI 2.0b cables and have had no issues with my setup and the C7.

I did a Google search and found this has been an issue with LG tvs in the past.

Am I missing something in my setup?

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honestly planning for watch movies 4K hdr & Dolby Vision. I'm not gamer just once I have free time I'd seat on my lazyboy chair to watch some lovely 4k hdr or DV movies
For non-gaming, if you have now or aspire to a surround sound system fed with uncompressed sound, then the C9's eARC enabled by the HDMI 2.1 ports could be a deciding factor.

eARC enables uncompressed bitstream output by the C9 to connected audio equipment.

That translates to lossless Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio to your receiver instead of the lossy, compressed versions of each, Dolby Digital Plus (DD+) and DTS-HD respectively.

In photography terms, it's the difference between a RAW file and a JPG file.

Note that streaming services such as Netflix and Amazon use the lossy, compressed versions of these audio formats, so if you are not watching Blu-Ray discs you will continue to get the lossy audio formats, regardless of C8 (ARC) or C9 (eARC).


eARC also promises TV remote control of interconnected, multi-brand equipment that actually works reliably.

Note that each member of the pair must support eARC to leverage these capabilities, e.g. TV and receiver.
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Vincent Teoh C9 review is up!

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As much as 15-25ms? I still have an issue with my B7 going through an AVR that needs 210ms adjustment to watch a 4k blu ray.

Anyways, I just watched the review of the C9. I haven't been keeping up with the news, but I was greatly interested by the talk about the game mode stuff. So with the C9 I can just keep the set in technicolor, hit the switch for low latency mode, and keep the picture? That would be awesome. Aside form the dim game mode my wife really hates having to worry about switching the picture modes when she want to watch something since I leave it on game mode all the time. That alone might make it worth looking at selling my set and getting this one down the road.
Have you tried plugging the BR player directly to the TV and using the TV speakers just to see if the audio delay is still there? Is your AVR rated for 4k, 4k UHD, or 4k DV passthrough, etc.? Is the AVR set to do image processing? Sometimes marketing terms muddy the perceptions.

I use a Marantz 6011 and everything is plugged into that and then I have one HDMI going into the TV's port 2 (a C7). I have CEC on for both, and my game console is plugged into 'game' on the receiver, bluray plugged into bluray, etc., and when I switch sources or turn the TV on to use a certain input the TV automatically selects my preferred TV mode. I use a Harmony remote but it does not select picture mode.

I'm really happy with game mode brightness, (oled light 35 sdr games, 60 HDR games). Bright games are almost too bright (Forza, Fortnight) and dark games (Destiny, Gears of War) have amazing details in the dark areas.
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As much as 15-25ms? I still have an issue with my B7 going through an AVR that needs 210ms adjustment to watch a 4k blu ray. <img src="https://www.avsforum.com/forum/images/AVSForum/smilies/tango_face_surprise.png" border="0" alt="" title="EEK! Surprise!" class="inlineimg" />

Anyways, I just watched the review of the C9. I haven't been keeping up with the news, but I was greatly interested by the talk about the game mode stuff. So with the C9 I can just keep the set in technicolor, hit the switch for low latency mode, and keep the picture? That would be awesome. Aside form the dim game mode my wife really hates having to worry about switching the picture modes when she want to watch something since I leave it on game mode all the time. That alone might make it worth looking at selling my set and getting this one down the road.
Have you tried plugging the BR player directly to the TV and using the TV speakers just to see if the audio delay is still there? Is your AVR rated for 4k, 4k UHD, or 4k DV passthrough, etc.? Is the AVR set to do image processing? Sometimes marketing terms muddy the perceptions.

I use a Marantz 6011 and everything is plugged into that and then I have one HDMI going into the TV's port 2 (a C7). I have CEC on for both, and my game console is plugged into 'game' on the receiver, bluray plugged into bluray, etc., and when I switch sources or turn the TV on to use a certain input the TV automatically selects my preferred TV mode. I use a Harmony remote but it does not select picture mode.

I'm really happy with game mode brightness, (oled light 35 sdr games, 60 HDR games). Bright games are almost too bright (Forza, Fortnight) and dark games (Destiny, Gears of War) have amazing details in the dark areas.
How can you live with oled light at 60 for hdr games? With oled light at 100 my c7 still really struggles with bright scenes. Try Far Cry 5 and look at the sunny blue sky. I cannot see the clear shape of the sun because the tv cannot resolve details at that uniformly high level of brightness (while on my x900f I can easily see the sun)
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For non-gaming, if you have now or aspire to a surround sound system fed with uncompressed sound, then the C9's eARC enabled by the HDMI 2.1 ports could be a deciding factor.

eARC enables uncompressed bitstream output by the C9 to connected audio equipment.

That translates to lossless Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio to your receiver instead of the lossy, compressed versions of each, Dolby Digital Plus (DD+) and DTS-HD respectively.
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eARC also promises TV remote control of interconnected, multi-brand equipment that actually works reliably.

Note that each member of the pair must support eARC to leverage these capabilities, e.g. TV and receiver.
While it's true that eARC provides all that, one should also mention that you usually don't really need eARC / HDMI 2.1 for any of those features and for most setups. Just plug your player devices directly into your TrueHD / DTS-HD / Atmos / DTS:X capable AVR instead of your TV and you're good.


This way your players will directly transfer the encoded bitstreams from the sources (DVD, BluRay, Streams etc.) to your AVR via HDMI 2.0 and your AVR will decode them. There's no loss in quality involved due to any transcodings.


LPCM via (e)ARC is only relevant if (for whatever reason) your devices are directly plugged into your TV instead of your AVR, i.e. if the TV decodes the source audio which has then to be sent to your AVR / sound system. In other word's: if you don't have a decent AVR or if your TV itself is the player.

I'm already using all the features you've just mentioned including using one remote to control all my devices via CEC without eARC / HDMI 2.1. There're very few downsides if you don't directly plug your player devices into your TV but your AVR instead.

Don't get me wrong: HDMI 2.1 / eARC improves a lot of things including the better lip sync handling etc. But there's not really any new feature due to this which is not already available by wiring your devices a bit differently.
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Here you go!

First two pictures, my 77C9 - then rtings 65C9 and then a comparison screenshot of the C8 and C7 pics from Rtings - my pictures are the 3 on the left. The Filenames of the C series model are listed on the top left of the rtings photos.
Appears to me to certainly be using the same newer panel as the lower size model. It does not look similar to the C8 or C7.

Big Win!

As a note, I am digitally zooming in to the original photos, so I don't think I can get as much detail as the rtings review, but the shapes still look most like the C9 they pictured.
Hey @Tomcup , yeoman's work capturing these. Much appreciated!

From my US holiday weekend quick glance, what I see is that the panel has a different pixel structure from the other 2 panel sizes for 2019, but it's not the same pixel structure as the 2018 77". The white pixel has changed shape from 2018-2019.

Edit:So, we effectively have 3 different pixel structures ostensibly optimized for each class of panel size.
@bombyx is the authority on this and has been tracking the pixel structure mainly for pixel size. I'll wait for his final verdict.

Thanks again!

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1440p 120hz works for gaming on 77C9 with a 2080ti direct via HDMI. Even in HDR
AND IT LOOKS GLORIOUS

video was set to 4k, 4:2:2 10bit before starting game (battlefield 5), switched to 2560x1440 at 120hz in game and it worked and stayed HDR no problem. Unless I go through my receiver I can't check what chroma sampling it is in, but it certainly looks great. It's gaming monitor smooth. It's going to be a tough choice between 4k 60 or 1440 120.
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for anyone who likes playing a game of pc this TV is a great option.

I attached some videos to 1440 @ 120hz for anyone who still has doubts. but I affirm that it is a joy as it unfolds.

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thanks dear for your reply, honestly planning for watch movies 4K hdr & Dolby Vision. I'm not gamer just once I have free time I'd seat on my lazyboy chair to watch some lovely 4k hdr or DV movies

but what bout E8? also, is C9 panels still has an issue blotchy/uniformity like C8? please see the attached above.

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E8 has a different look, a tiny bit better speaker's, but no better picture........... For $100 more let's say, why not, otherwise hold you cash.......

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That panel looks hideous and my C9 looks nothing like that! My C9 is very uniform.

Also see my edited response above!
They do seem to be better this year......but we just started this year so well have to wait and see.

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Thanks for putting this one to bed, not sure where the rumor originated that the 77 was still using a 2017 panel but looks quashed now.
Someone confused the last time they made a panel change, they changed the smaller size's but not the 77".
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That panel looks hideous and my C9 looks nothing like that! My C9 is very uniform.

Also see my edited response above!


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in my case of all the oled that from the 930V, the c9 is the best in all aspects.

  0 bands, incredibly uniform panel and 0 dyes

just for this it is already worth it.
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How can you live with oled light at 60 for hdr games? With oled light at 100 my c7 still really struggles with bright scenes. Try Far Cry 5 and look at the sunny blue sky. I cannot see the clear shape of the sun because the tv cannot resolve details at that uniformly high level of brightness (while on my x900f I can easily see the sun)
OLED light 55 for HDR games, (60 for Oppo bluray player HDR)
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Console: RGB limited, 4:2:2 enabled**, 10 bit color {**I saw a thread on reddit where enabling this fixed their FarCry video quality issues}
I sit 11 feet away from a 55" screen in a room with 7 windows, 4 west facing, with blinds but no curtains.

Also, I believe Ubisoft did the same thing Bungie did with Destiny: HDR brightness is a result of your SDR settings. You have to disable HDR on your console/PC, start the game, adjust brightness/contrast, exit game, re-enable HDR, re-adjust brightness/contrast in game. Here's the link to the Destiny fix maybe you can find one for farcry
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Have you tried plugging the BR player directly to the TV and using the TV speakers just to see if the audio delay is still there? Is your AVR rated for 4k, 4k UHD, or 4k DV passthrough, etc.? Is the AVR set to do image processing? Sometimes marketing terms muddy the perceptions.

I use a Marantz 6011 and everything is plugged into that and then I have one HDMI going into the TV's port 2 (a C7). I have CEC on for both, and my game console is plugged into 'game' on the receiver, bluray plugged into bluray, etc., and when I switch sources or turn the TV on to use a certain input the TV automatically selects my preferred TV mode. I use a Harmony remote but it does not select picture mode.

I'm really happy with game mode brightness, (oled light 35 sdr games, 60 HDR games). Bright games are almost too bright (Forza, Fortnight) and dark games (Destiny, Gears of War) have amazing details in the dark areas.
I did a bunch of stuff when I first got the set as I had lip sync issues with almost everything. I want to have the good audio so I don't want to use optical out for my 4k player (Sony X700). And the receiver is a brand new Yamaha 383 so it's rated for everything. I also have an apple tv now that does use the optical out, and I have some lip sync issues with that too, although nothing near as bad as the disks from that X700. Even Netflix or Vudu from that thing (X700) need 145ms correction. But Netflix from my ps4 needs nothing...except that app is broken and always has HDR "on" and ruins the picture.

I would gladly replace whichever component is the issue, but I don't want to replace both player and AVR so I'm kinda stuck. Add that in with having to switch from game mode to technicolor and then adjust the lip sync every time I want to watch a movie instead of play a game and you have a total production every time I do something else. Such a pain in the ass compared to my plasma that needed no adjustments. That why the C9 appeals to me. At least I can cut down on the mode switching AND get a better game mode pic too.

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While it's true that eARC provides all that, one should also mention that you usually don't really need eARC / HDMI 2.1 for any of those features and for most setups. Just plug your player devices directly into your TrueHD / DTS-HD / Atmos / DTS:X capable AVR instead of your TV and you're good.


This way your players will directly transfer the encoded bitstreams from the sources (DVD, BluRay, Streams etc.) to your AVR via HDMI 2.0 and your AVR will decode them. There's no loss in quality involved due to any transcodings.


LPCM via (e)ARC is only relevant if (for whatever reason) your devices are directly plugged into your TV instead of your AVR, i.e. if the TV decodes the source audio which has then to be sent to your AVR / sound system. In other word's: if you don't have a decent AVR or if your TV itself is the player.

I'm already using all the features you've just mentioned including using one remote to control all my devices via CEC without eARC / HDMI 2.1. There're very few downsides if you don't directly plug your player devices into your TV but your AVR instead.

Don't get me wrong: HDMI 2.1 / eARC improves a lot of things including the better lip sync handling etc. But there's not really any new feature due to this which is not already available by wiring your devices a bit differently.
Excellent points.

Agreed on all counts.

IMO, eARC would only be a determining factor in scenarios such as mine, where putting (almost) everything through the TV was part of the WAF for the system.

I admit, it is disorienting and somewhat disquieting to look at the back of a full-featured AVR and only see one HDMI coming out of it...

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I’m thinking about not getting an extended warranty for my C9. It’s a roll of the dice. Any thoughts?
I had a friend who bought one a few years ago with no extended warranty and very much regrets it today.

I bought one for ours.

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I had a friend who bought one a few years ago with no extended warranty and very much regrets it today.



I bought one for ours.



YMMV

(Sigh) most likely I’ll do it. Best Buy’s warranty costs a small fortune. Granted it’s complete coverage.


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Get Costco 3 year and be done with it for $100
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To cover burn-in, or something else? Statistically, an extended warranty will never be in your favor, but if you buy one that doesn't cover burn-in, at least it may not be priced too exorbitantly.
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Hey @Tomcup , yeoman's work capturing these. Much appreciated!

From my US holiday weekend quick glance, what I see is that the panel has a different pixel structure from the other 2 panel sizes for 2019, but it's not the same pixel structure as the 2018 77". The white pixel has changed shape from 2018-2019.

So, we effectively have 3 different pixel structures ostensibly optimized for each class of panel size.

@bombyx is the authority on this and has been tracking the pixel structure mainly for pixel size. I'll wait for his final verdict.

Thanks again!
Glad I could help, as I was also very curious.
It's also possible it's the exact same as the 65 but my camera could not resolve as much detail around the edges from the light bloom. Either way, it's definitely new and very similar or identical to the 65 C9.

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Glad I could help, as I was also very curious.
It's also possible it's the exact same as the 65 but my camera could not resolve as much detail around the edges from the light bloom. Either way, it's definitely new and very similar or identical to the 65 C9.
I misremembered the discussion on the OLED Technology Advancements Thread about pixel structure. There were some differing perspectives, but I think the conclusion was that there is no pixel shape differences between 55" and 65" in 2018. (I assume that there continues to be no distinction between those panel size classes in 2019).

So, you very well could be right that they're the same. I definitely see shapes reminiscent of the 2018 77" in your shots. Better macro shots like the one flatpanelshd captured of the Sony 65" AF8 <https://www.flatpanelshd.com/pictures/Sony_AF8_pixels.jpg> would make it definitive.

Regardless, if the 2019 77" performs near how the 65" does, I don't think anyone will care what the pixel structure is. Looking forward to seeing the 1st technical review of the 77".

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After cycling through a variety of certified HDMI 2.0b cables with no success, I ended up needing to use (claimed) 8K cables to get my C9 to connect successfully.

I ended up with these, but also tried others:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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Did you try other 8k cables that did not work? Trying to figure out if I need to use those specific cables you mentioned. I definitely appreciate your response. I’m starting to wonder if I got a bad set.
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As I have not completely ruled out exchanging my C8 for a C9 especially with some pink tint I have on C8, I did need to know:

Is "live zoom" still accessibly on C9s in some way? It was removed from the remote. But can you still access it with arrow down on the remote or some other combination?

I use live zoom on the occasion I view CNN to completely remove all on screen graphics to protect the TV.
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How can you live with oled light at 60 for hdr games? With oled light at 100 my c7 still really struggles with bright scenes. Try Far Cry 5 and look at the sunny blue sky. I cannot see the clear shape of the sun because the tv cannot resolve details at that uniformly high level of brightness (while on my x900f I can easily see the sun)
OLED light 55 for HDR games, (60 for Oppo bluray player HDR)
contrast 100
brightness 50
black level low
dynamic contrast low
hdmi deep color on
Console: RGB limited, 4:2:2 enabled**, 10 bit color {**I saw a thread on reddit where enabling this fixed their FarCry video quality issues}
I sit 11 feet away from a 55" screen in a room with 7 windows, 4 west facing, with blinds but no curtains.

Also, I believe Ubisoft did the same thing Bungie did with Destiny: HDR brightness is a result of your SDR settings. You have to disable HDR on your console/PC, start the game, adjust brightness/contrast, exit game, re-enable HDR, re-adjust brightness/contrast in game. Here's the link to the Destiny fix maybe you can find one for farcry
I checked the settings in sdr. Brightness, contrast, gamma are all at the default 50. There is no instruction to adjust this right. So it’s not helping &#x1f61e;
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OLED light 55 for HDR games, (60 for Oppo bluray player HDR)

contrast 100

brightness 50

black level low

dynamic contrast low

hdmi deep color on

Console: RGB limited, 4:2:2 enabled**, 10 bit color {**I saw a thread on reddit where enabling this fixed their FarCry video quality issues}

I sit 11 feet away from a 55" screen in a room with 7 windows, 4 west facing, with blinds but no curtains.



Also, I believe Ubisoft did the same thing Bungie did with Destiny: HDR brightness is a result of your SDR settings. You have to disable HDR on your console/PC, start the game, adjust brightness/contrast, exit game, re-enable HDR, re-adjust brightness/contrast in game. Here's the link to the Destiny fix maybe you can find one for farcry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAMKhgbN9lM
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If you decrease OLED Light and Contrast from the default 100 for HDR/DV contents, you are not only decreasing dynamic range but this also borks the tone map curve. You're better off using SDR mode instead.
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I’m thinking about not getting an extended warranty for my C9. It’s a roll of the dice. Any thoughts?


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I never bother. If the TV fails within 12 months you can return. If it lasts that long it will likely last many years as most fails happen quickly if at all. Besides, if it it does fail what better excuse to upgrade to the newest model. You will probably want to do that anyway.
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Quick Question, I just received a 77 C9 yesterday from an Authorized reseller, tried to set it up this evening with just ethernet and power connected and streaming from the internal Netflix App. The TV will stay on for about 6-10 minutes, then freeze. The screen goes dark, the red standby light flashes 3 times, then goes dark. I hooked up a Dish Network Hopper switched inputs to HDMI 1 and it locked up again with the same symptoms. I've twice tried the factory reset, and it goes through the setup fine, downloads the 55 MB Netflix app, streams for a few minutes then locks up.

The firmware is 3.50.xxx when I try to manually update, it says the firmware is up-to-date. Is there a way to force a firmware update? I've yet to call LG as i'm sure I won't get far on Memorial Day weekend.

Any other ideas appreciated.

EDIT : It updated to 3.60.xx and the symptoms remain. Unplugged for now.

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I cannot find the video setting: "Dynamic Tone Mapping" as pictured below. Anyone know where in Settings this is located? It does not appear in my Video -> Expert settings list.
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2019 C9–E9 Owner's Thread (No Price Talk)

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I cannot find the video setting: "Dynamic Tone Mapping" as pictured below. Anyone know where in Settings this is located? It does not appear in my Video -> Expert settings list.
It should only appear when you feed HDR10 and HLG signal.
With SDR or DV, it's not available.
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