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What do you guys have "Peak Brightness" (under Expert Controls) set at?
For SDR, it's irrelevant, I guess.

For HDR10 and Dolby Vision in light controlled (pitch black) viewing condition, what do you guys have it at?

For HDR Gaming, I see it locked at High.


Keep peak brightness set to high for all HDR.
That’s considered reference unless you want a little extra color volume then Low works.


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Even in the 77C8PUA the buzz was not very common. I have not seen once single complaint on the 77C9PUA as of yet.
The first owner of a 77 who has reported into this thread confirmed that his set has the buzzing in dark scenes.

Mine will be here Friday and I will probably know by the end of the weekend if mine has the problem.
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Keep peak brightness set to high for all HDR.
That’s considered reference unless you want a little extra color volume then Low works.


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The first owner of a 77 who has reported into this thread confirmed that his set has the buzzing in dark scenes.

Mine will be here Friday and I will probably know by the end of the weekend if mine has the problem.
Be sure to let us know! If buzzing is a common issue I may go with the Sony instead (which is the same price for the 77"). You lose HDMI 2.1 going with Sony though.

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The first owner of a 77 who has reported into this thread confirmed that his set has the buzzing in dark scenes.

Mine will be here Friday and I will probably know by the end of the weekend if mine has the problem.
Hopefully you are all good

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Be sure to let us know! If buzzing is a common issue I may go with the Sony instead (which is the same price for the 77"). You lose HDMI 2.1 going with Sony though.
I would assume Sony does use a different power supply, I do not remember reading anything about Buzz on the 77A1E.
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Be sure to let us know! If buzzing is a common issue I may go with the Sony instead (which is the same price for the 77"). You lose HDMI 2.1 going with Sony though.
Expect a price delta of at least $1,000 soon between the Sony and the LG. The retailer I got my 77C9 from for a huge discount (25% off) hinted that an MSRP drop is coming to the TV sooner rather than later.

I was also strongly considering the Sony because their motion handling and out of the box accuracy is much better and I also like their design. However I couldn't wrap my head around paying more for a TV that shrugged off HDMI 2.1. I do a moderate amount of gaming and for sure will own at least one next gen console while I have this TV so I wanted to future proof my purchase as much as possible.
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On VRR...



According to AMD's list of 693 freesync monitors, every single monitor with a wide enough refresh rate range supports LFC. There are 419 monitors with "LFC: No" on AMD's list. They all have a max refresh rate less than 2x their minimum refresh rate. All of the e.g. 30-75hz monitors work along with every single monitor above 75hz.

I can't post links but you can see for yourself on amd. com/en/products/freesync-monitors

I'd say it's a safe bet LFC will work in a 40-120hz VRR implementation. Of course we can't say for sure about the C9's implementation, or if there are other issues.
I've been looking more into it. If you notice in Vincent's video, the tag "CinemaVRR" is absent, it seems that CinemaVRR is the HDMI 2.1 implementation of VRR that "Supports media rates below VRRmin (CinemaVRR)". That and the name Cinema implies that it extends the VRR compatibility down to 23.976fps content.

I'm thinking that this is the VRR version of Freesync's LFC and it seems it is not currently supported on the C9
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Expect a price delta of at least $1,000 soon between the Sony and the LG. The retailer I got my 77C9 from for a huge discount (25% off) hinted that an MSRP drop is coming to the TV sooner rather than later.

I was also strongly considering the Sony because their motion handling and out of the box accuracy is much better and I also like their design. However I couldn't wrap my head around paying more for a TV that shrugged off HDMI 2.1. I do a moderate amount of gaming and for sure will own at least one next gen console while I have this TV so I wanted to future proof my purchase as much as possible.
Only one brand has HDMI 2.1 this year. The tests for certifying HDMI 2.1 are not done yet. I wouldn't say anyone not having HDMI 2.1 this year is shrugging it off. On the contrary, I think they are just not trying to release something that isn't ready or useful yet (not a single device out there that I have heard of supports 48Gbps HDMI output yet). With the tests not even finalized there is even a small possibility LG's implementation isn't compliant. After all they don't have official tests to try it with to be sure. Hopefully they are compliant or at least close enough that it can be fixed with firmware updates. LG is gambling that being first with HDMI 2.1 will gain them sales and that hopefully they got it right. So far they have had issues with VRR and HDR from the Xbox One X, the only device that even supports VRR that I know of, so not a good start on that part of the spec. eARC seems to be working although they neglected to allow multichannel PCM which would be useful to a lot of people. Hopefully a firmware update in the future will rectify that. So LG's HDMI 2.1 certainly has some teething issues so far.
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What do you guys have "Peak Brightness" (under Expert Controls) set at?
For SDR, it's irrelevant, I guess.

For HDR10 and Dolby Vision in light controlled (pitch black) viewing condition, what do you guys have it at?

For HDR Gaming, I see it locked at High.
HDR should be HIGH. SDR should be off but you can turn it on if you want more white boost and higher nits.
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Only one brand has HDMI 2.1 this year. The tests for certifying HDMI 2.1 are not done yet. I wouldn't say anyone not having HDMI 2.1 this year is shrugging it off. On the contrary, I think they are just not trying to release something that isn't ready or useful yet (not a single device out there that I have heard of supports 48Gbps HDMI output yet). With the tests not even finalized there is even a small possibility LG's implementation isn't compliant. After all they don't have official tests to try it with to be sure. Hopefully they are compliant or at least close enough that it can be fixed with firmware updates. LG is gambling that being first with HDMI 2.1 will gain them sales and that hopefully they got it right. So far they have had issues with VRR and HDR from the Xbox One X, the only device that even supports VRR that I know of, so not a good start on that part of the spec. eARC seems to be working although they neglected to allow multichannel PCM which would be useful to a lot of people. Hopefully a firmware update in the future will rectify that. So LG's HDMI 2.1 certainly has some teething issues so far.
I believe LG already fixed VRR on the Xbox One.

I agree that LG is way out on the bleeding edge and it appears that the C9 sets have both HDMI 2.0b and HDMI 2.1 chipsets and that there is every possibility that early adopters will end up with a partial implementation.

Partial implementation would still be preferable, to me anyway, than no implementation. Sony has the most desirable HDMI 2.1 feature, eARC on their TV but they are missing 2nd most desirable feature which is VRR.
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Would someone that owns a 77" C9 please let me know what the length (left to right) of the stand for this TV is? I have to make sure it fits on my glass TV stand. I heard somewhere that it's the same length of the 77" C8 (47") but when looking at pictures it seems not as long as the C8.

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They finalized hdmi 2.1 tests late last year. The new video cards coming next month will have hdmi 2.1
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Would someone that owns a 77" C9 please let me know what the length (left to right) of the stand for this TV is? I have to make sure it fits on my glass TV stand. I heard somewhere that it's the same length of the 77" C8 (47") but when looking at pictures it seems not as long as the C8.
The total width of the stand is 29 1/2". The foot that actually sits on your table is 22 3/4"
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The total width of the stand is 29 1/2". The foot that actually sits on your table is 22 3/4"
Thanks, I thought it was shorter than the C8 stand but one of the retailers told me it was the same as the C8 so gave me measurements for the C8.

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That is a built in app on the tv.

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What is everyone upgrading from? I'm coming from an XBR55X850C. Still torn between this and the 75 or 85 X950G. I'm sure either will be a great upgrade, just can't decide. Likely to be last upgrade for a while, so I'm leaning toward the LG.
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They finalized hdmi 2.1 tests late last year. The new video cards coming next month will have hdmi 2.1
Oh good because the latest I ever found just said the eARC test was out in August 2018 and other tests were coming over the next number of months.

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Be sure to let us know! If buzzing is a common issue I may go with the Sony instead (which is the same price for the 77"). You lose HDMI 2.1 going with Sony though.
I have a 77C9 for a week now and I haven't heard a sound. If someone tells me any particular scene where the buzz is heard, I can check it for you.
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Which video cards are coming next month with HDMI 2.1?

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I wrote to LG and Denon about an audio problem. The following is what I said:

"I wrote previously about my inability to pass-through a "Dolby Atmos + TrueHD" signal from my OLED C9 via eARC to my Denon receiver. Dolby TrueHD passes-through properly; Dolby Atmos does not. I have additional information for you.

Today, I routed my Blu-Ray player directly through the Denon X3400H via HDMI3, then to my LG OLED55C9, instead of inputting to the LG, then to the Denon. Both 'Dolby Atmos' and 'Dolby TrueHD' displayed as expected. More significantly, the sound quality has, apparently, improved; 5.1.2 vs 7.1?

I found the same audio problem when using the LG's apps to watch Amazon Prime shows, such as "Jack Ryan": there is no Atmos signal via eARC, but one is present when the C9's internal speakers are used.

It seems to me that the eARC pathway is not properly passing-through the audio signal from my LG C9 to my Denon receiver. You might want to have a look into that."
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Which video cards are coming next month with HDMI 2.1?
AMD's Navi cards are coming some time in July, but AMD has said nothing about HDMI 2.1 support.
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Expect a price delta of at least $1,000 soon between the Sony and the LG. The retailer I got my 77C9 from for a huge discount (25% off) hinted that an MSRP drop is coming to the TV sooner rather than later.

I was also strongly considering the Sony because their motion handling and out of the box accuracy is much better and I also like their design. However I couldn't wrap my head around paying more for a TV that shrugged off HDMI 2.1. I do a moderate amount of gaming and for sure will own at least one next gen console while I have this TV so I wanted to future proof my purchase as much as possible.
Where did you get it from?
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Would someone that owns a 77" C9 please let me know what the length (left to right) of the stand for this TV is? I have to make sure it fits on my glass TV stand. I heard somewhere that it's the same length of the 77" C8 (47") but when looking at pictures it seems not as long as the C8.
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I wrote to LG and Denon about an audio problem. The following is what I said:

"I wrote previously about my inability to pass-through a "Dolby Atmos + TrueHD" signal from my OLED C9 via eARC to my Denon receiver. Dolby TrueHD passes-through properly; Dolby Atmos does not. I have additional information for you.

Today, I routed my Blu-Ray player directly through the Denon X3400H via HDMI3, then to my LG OLED55C9, instead of inputting to the LG, then to the Denon. Both 'Dolby Atmos' and 'Dolby TrueHD' displayed as expected. More significantly, the sound quality has, apparently, improved; 5.1.2 vs 7.1?

I found the same audio problem when using the LG's apps to watch Amazon Prime shows, such as "Jack Ryan": there is no Atmos signal via eARC, but one is present when the C9's internal speakers are used.

It seems to me that the eARC pathway is not properly passing-through the audio signal from my LG C9 to my Denon receiver. You might want to have a look into that."

I've had these same challenges with our LG C9 and Yamaha RX-A3080 receiver.

The first issue of no-passthrough of eARC lossless format audio to the receiver was fixed by Yamaha's latest firmware update.

The second issue, of no Atmos output via eARC or ARC to the Yamaha by the C9 Netflix or Amazon apps, remains.

I updated the C9's firmware and did a factory reset but no joy.

So, it's not just your Denon.

BTW, tonight I tested disabling eARC. The C9 Netflix app then displays "Atmos" in the show info, but when you play the show, it is 5.1 on both the receiver and in the C9 Netflix app "Info" overlay.
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I've had these same challenges with our LG C9 and Yamaha RX-A3080 receiver.

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So, it's not just your Denon.

BTW, tonight I tested disabling eARC. The C9 Netflix app then displays "Atmos" in the show info, but when you play the show, it is 5.1 on both the receiver and in the C9 Netflix app "Info" overlay.
dhackney: Thanks for the confirmation! I've been chasing this for about ten days. It would be nice to see an LG update that fixes it.
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I wrote to LG and Denon about an audio problem. The following is what I said:

"I wrote previously about my inability to pass-through a "Dolby Atmos + TrueHD" signal from my OLED C9 via eARC to my Denon receiver. Dolby TrueHD passes-through properly; Dolby Atmos does not. I have additional information for you.

Today, I routed my Blu-Ray player directly through the Denon X3400H via HDMI3, then to my LG OLED55C9, instead of inputting to the LG, then to the Denon. Both 'Dolby Atmos' and 'Dolby TrueHD' displayed as expected. More significantly, the sound quality has, apparently, improved; 5.1.2 vs 7.1?

I found the same audio problem when using the LG's apps to watch Amazon Prime shows, such as "Jack Ryan": there is no Atmos signal via eARC, but one is present when the C9's internal speakers are used.

It seems to me that the eARC pathway is not properly passing-through the audio signal from my LG C9 to my Denon receiver. You might want to have a look into that."
Sounds like a handshake issue. Both sources must have eARC. The LG lists it as having it. I don't believe the Denon X3400H has eARC, just ARC.

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I've said this before but gosh, DTM works so wonderfully on my C9, I can't part with it in HDR10 movies and games. I love it.
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I believe LG already fixed VRR on the Xbox One.

I agree that LG is way out on the bleeding edge and it appears that the C9 sets have both HDMI 2.0b and HDMI 2.1 chipsets and that there is every possibility that early adopters will end up with a partial implementation.

Partial implementation would still be preferable, to me anyway, than no implementation. Sony has the most desirable HDMI 2.1 feature, eARC on their TV but they are missing 2nd most desirable feature which is VRR.

From the LG main website:
W9 ~ B9, SM94 ~ SM90: HDMI ports support HDCP 2.3 and 120fps @ 2160p

sounds compliant to me.
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I disabled DTM while gaming and I might actually prefer it off. DTM seems to brighten everything reducing the HDR pop perhaps. At lease during my session. I still have to test DTM further but I was impressed with just the regular HDR performance on the C9.

I assume most owners have it enabled?


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My thoughts exactly. Dynamic Tone Mapping makes the game look washed out at times.
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