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2019 C9–E9 Owner's Thread (No Price Talk)

Order placed on a 65" C9–my first OLED and first to HDMI 2.1. Hope to have it in about a week. HERE. WE. GO.
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Congrats! Thinking about the 77” C9 myself although I’m curious to see how it will compare to the new Sony A9G Master Series. I really like Sony’s motion handling and their ability to clean up digital streaming sources / content. I wonder how the new C9 will compare in this arena?
Also I’m curious to see how these new 2019 OLED panels will do when it comes to vertical banding issues which was quite bad on most of the 2016 - 2017 LG panels. On a 5% window it was just terrible to behold.
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We want 5% slides as soon as you get it...haha. I think I'll pop for a 55E9 for the bedroom once they drop later this year.
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We want 5% slides as soon as you get it...haha. I think I'll pop for a 55E9 for the bedroom once they drop later this year.
I'll be sure to add impressions as soon as I can. There's great impression in the C9 calibration thread from the Value Electronics calibrator.
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Order placed on a 65" C9–my first OLED and first to HDMI 2.1. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG] Hope to have it in about a week. HERE. WE. GO.
Really interested in finding out if the vertical banding issues are greatly reduced in the new 2019 C9 lineup. If you could please put up a 5% Grey window when you get your C9 and let us know what you see that would be great. The Harry Potter movies are a great source to view the vertical banding issues as well.
I’m actually very interested in the 77” C9 and the Sony 77” A9G Master Series but the vertical banding issues will be a big player in my decision. If for example LG made big improvements in the 2019 panels it would be good to know.

PS: I suppose Sony could also use the 2018 LG panels in their new 2019 OLED displays if no screen improvements have been made. In that case the C8 or C9 displays would also be the same as far as the vertical line issue is concerned.
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Order placed on a 65" C9–my first OLED and first to HDMI 2.1. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG] Hope to have it in about a week. HERE. WE. GO.
Do you have the sku now?
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Do you have the sku now?

I emailed my guy today at Magnolia and received the same answer. Expect the TVs in the warehouse on Fri or early next week. I think once they receive the shipment an SKU will be created.


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Do you have the sku now?

I emailed my guy today at Magnolia and received the same answer. Expect the TVs in the warehouse on Fri or early next week. I think once they receive the shipment an SKU will be created.


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Ah ok. I thought your status had changed when you created the thread.

By warehouse you didn’t mean your actual store
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Even though I picked up a Sony 75Z9D open box for a steal a year ago from Best Buy, I am getting the itch to upgrade / side grade back to a 77" C9 OLED. I would rather get a 77" Sony, but it doesn't look like they are going to have the latest and greatest tech that the C9 will. I'm interested to see what the uniformity 5% slides look like.
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Even though I picked up a Sony 75Z9D open box for a steal a year ago from Best Buy, I am getting the itch to upgrade / side grade back to a 77" C9 OLED. I would rather get a 77" Sony, but it doesn't look like they are going to have the latest and greatest tech that the C9 will. I'm interested to see what the uniformity 5% slides look like.
Yep the 77” C9 is very attractive from what I’ve learned. However if the 77” C9 and the Sony A9G Master Series have the exact same screen in regards to the vertical banding issues - being (Greatly Reduced) then it’s going to be a difficult choice. I love Sony’s motion handling and video processing it’s really top notch. However I’m really hoping that for LG’s new C9 they copy this technology from Sony. But I don’t know how realistic that is for these new C9’s.

 

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Ah ok. I thought your status had changed when you created the thread.

By warehouse you didn’t mean your actual store


I’m in NY and the TVs are shipped to Minn BB warehouse.
Someone in the forums suggested I should start an owners thread so here we are. Won’t be long before we have our new TVs.


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I look forward to reading everyone's reviews on the C9.

I've been saving up for the C9 for a few years now. Using the 5% back on the Amazon Prime card - built a nice little credit ; )

Anyway, I've got an itchy finger to pull the trigger for the 65 inch but will wait for the reviews first.
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This will be my first OLED. I passed on a great deal from ShopExchange for a Sony A8F to get a 65" C9. HDMI 2.1 ranks high on my consideration list, since the upcoming Sony PS5 should have HDMI 2.1.
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I look forward to reading everyone's reviews on the C9.

I've been saving up for the C9 for a few years now. Using the 5% back on the Amazon Prime card - built a nice little credit ; )

Anyway, I've got an itchy finger to pull the trigger for the 65 inch but will wait for the reviews first.
Here is my initial impressions with the C9 -> https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...l#post57764872
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We want 5% slides as soon as you get it...haha. I think I'll pop for a 55E9 for the bedroom once they drop later this year.
How about letting it be used for a few hours and enjoyed a bit before making someone take pictures of dark grey slides?
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How about letting it be used for a few hours and enjoyed a bit before making someone take pictures of dark grey slides?


Lol. For sure. It was a tongue in cheek comment on my part.

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We want 5% slides as soon as you get it...haha. I think I'll pop for a 55E9 for the bedroom once they drop later this year.
Maybe he is the type to not look at that stuff and he is just going to enjoy his set

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So far I believe the panels are the same as last year so I don't expect any change in banding.

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So far I believe the panels are the same as last year so I don't expect any change in banding.
well that's disappointing, however not surprising. Looks like 2019 will not be the year I replace my C7, damn.

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So far I believe the panels are the same as last year so I don't expect any change in banding.
Except that the better BFI will improve near-black uniformity (and reduce what many call 'banding').

The 2018s could also improve near-black uniformity by engaging BFI, but at 60Hz, that came at the expense of noticable flicker that was a showstopper for many (as well as a 50% loss of brightness).

The 2019 WOLEDs ability to deliver 50% BFI @ 120Hz should deliver the same improvememt to near-black uniformity without noticable flicker and with only a 25% loss of brightness (so 150 Nits full-field becomes ~112.5 nits) rather that the 50% brightness hit on the 2018s (so 150 nits becomes 75 nits).

And as far as 24Hz content, that improved near-bladk uniformity comes without introducimg 3:2 pulldown judder or SOE; the 2019s can present 24fps content as judder-free 5:5 pulldown...
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And as far as 24Hz content, that improved near-bladk uniformity comes without introducimg 3:2 pulldown judder or SOE; the 2019s can present 24fps content as judder-free 5:5 pulldown...
Yes! What my decade old 120 Hz Panny Plasma does. Finally, OLED is going to catch up. Kinda. Sorta. Maybe. I'm waiting to see what the people who buy the 2019s think about motion handling. I'm thinking it's going to be a reasonable visual improvement over the 2018s (e.g. C8). Time will tell.
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Yes! What my decade old 120 Hz Panny Plasma does. Finally, OLED is going to catch up. Kinda. Sorta. Maybe. I'm waiting to see what the people who buy the 2019s think about motion handling. I'm thinking it's going to be a reasonable visual improvement over the 2018s (e.g. C8). Time will tell.
Was your Panny Plasma a 240Hz Effective Refresh Rate? Motion-interpolated (or frame-repeated) content to 120fps and then presented it at 120Hz w/ 60% BFI (240Hz Effective Refresh Rate)?

Most plasmas delivered better than 3.5ms MPRT because of the time-division-multiplexing they used. An effective persistsnce of 2ms is often claimed for plasma.

But the 2019 WOLEDs should be able to deliver motion performance no more than twice the level of MPRT that the best plasmas delivered...
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Was your Panny Plasma a 240Hz Effective Refresh Rate? Motion-interpolated (or frame-repeated) content to 120fps and then presented it at 120Hz w/ 60% BFI (240Hz Effective Refresh Rate)?
It's a Panny V10 from April 2009. All I remember is that I was able to confirm 5:5 pulldown (that's frame repetition IIRC) to avoid the 2:3 judder common on 24 fps sources shown on 60 Hz panels. I think the panel is only 120 Hz, but could well be wrong. It's been 11 years since I thought about it much.

When I first got it my only signal source was a blu-ray player. Netflix was wonderful before streaming . So for the first couple of years that's all it got -- 24 fps movies on blu-rays (which back then took some interesting settings in the blu-ray player to make happen IIRC).

It's been a workhorse HDTV, and I've been really pleased with how it has keep up its look. Still a thing of beauty. But I'd like something bigger -- as in 75" or more. Maybe a 2019 set. Maybe a 2020. Hmmm.....
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It’s happening...loaded in my car and can’t wait to play with it tonight! It’s a March 2019 build...
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Well let me be the first to say "Congratulations" and "Very best wishes on a GREAT, and mostly improved unit." I hope it is all that you are wishing for and more ! I KNOW you are gonna be "all over this" and make us proud with a detailed review.
May I request a CRITICAL review of how this C9 handles 1080i/broadcast material up conversion, please? Thanks man !
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Well let me be the first to say "Congratulations" and "Very best wishes on a GREAT, and mostly improved unit." I hope it is all that you are wishing for and more ! I KNOW you are gonna be "all over this" and make us proud with a detailed review.
May I request a CRITICAL review of how this C9 handles 1080i/broadcast material up conversion, please? Thanks man !
Thanks, absolutely will gather some thoughts. I PRAY little to no banding AND no color tint, or not visible...PRAYING!!!

But yes, I'm really excited to see if gen2 matches Sony on cable upscaling (i'll watch basketball tonight) and play with BFI...Robert at VE said turning on 25% BFI is a "game-changer"
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Thanks, absolutely will gather some thoughts. I PRAY little to no banding AND no color tint, or not visible...PRAYING!!!

But yes, I'm really excited to see if gen2 matches Sony on cable upscaling (i'll watch basketball tonight) and play with BFI...Robert at VE said turning on 25% BFI is a "game-changer"
If you are watching sports, the best mode should be to use Smooth Motion to interpolate up to 120 fps and then engage 50% [email protected] This should give you 3.5ms MPRT (persistance) without visible 60Hz flicker.

Engaging 25% BFI @ 60Hz (BFI Low) will reduce MPRT from 16.7ms to ~12ms with no visible loss of brightness (autocompensation of +25%) but will introduce some 60Hz flicker.

Going all the way to 75% BFI @ 60Hz (BFI Medium) will get you all the way down to 3.5ms MPRT but with a 50% loss of brightness and the most 60Hz flicker.

You can increase OLED Light to compensate for the brightness loss:

0% Brighness loss with BFI Low @ 60Hz (25% BFI for 12ms MPRT)
25% Brightness loss with BFI Medium @ 60Hz (50% BFI for ~7ms MPRT)
50% Brightness loss with BFI High @ 60Hz (75% BFI for 3.5ms MPRT)
25% Brightness loss with BDI @ 120Hz (w/ SmoothMotion ON) (50% BFI for 3.5ms MPRT)

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