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helvetica bold 03-20-2019 01:05 PM

2019 C9–E9 Owner's Thread (No Price Talk)
 
Order placed on a 65" C9–my first OLED and first to HDMI 2.1. :D Hope to have it in about a week. HERE. WE. GO.


More Info:

OFFICIAL" 2019 LG C9 Consolidated Info, FAQ, Troubleshooting, Firmware & more

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...ware-more.html

Note: The above link is not a replacement or clone for this thread (and others) is the main source of this consolidation thread.

RadTech51 03-20-2019 01:25 PM

Congrats! Thinking about the 77” C9 myself although I’m curious to see how it will compare to the new Sony A9G Master Series. I really like Sony’s motion handling and their ability to clean up digital streaming sources / content. I wonder how the new C9 will compare in this arena?
Also I’m curious to see how these new 2019 OLED panels will do when it comes to vertical banding issues which was quite bad on most of the 2016 - 2017 LG panels. On a 5% window it was just terrible to behold.

drewTT 03-20-2019 01:28 PM

We want 5% slides as soon as you get it...haha. I think I'll pop for a 55E9 for the bedroom once they drop later this year.

helvetica bold 03-20-2019 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by drewTT (Post 57777468)
We want 5% slides as soon as you get it...haha. I think I'll pop for a 55E9 for the bedroom once they drop later this year.

I'll be sure to add impressions as soon as I can. There's great impression in the C9 calibration thread from the Value Electronics calibrator.

RadTech51 03-20-2019 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by helvetica bold (Post 57777350)
Order placed on a 65" C9–my first OLED and first to HDMI 2.1. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG] Hope to have it in about a week. HERE. WE. GO.

Really interested in finding out if the vertical banding issues are greatly reduced in the new 2019 C9 lineup. If you could please put up a 5% Grey window when you get your C9 and let us know what you see that would be great. The Harry Potter movies are a great source to view the vertical banding issues as well.
I’m actually very interested in the 77” C9 and the Sony 77” A9G Master Series but the vertical banding issues will be a big player in my decision. If for example LG made big improvements in the 2019 panels it would be good to know.

PS: I suppose Sony could also use the 2018 LG panels in their new 2019 OLED displays if no screen improvements have been made. In that case the C8 or C9 displays would also be the same as far as the vertical line issue is concerned.

guitarguy316 03-20-2019 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by helvetica bold (Post 57777350)
Order placed on a 65" C9–my first OLED and first to HDMI 2.1. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG] Hope to have it in about a week. HERE. WE. GO.

Do you have the sku now?

helvetica bold 03-20-2019 05:34 PM

2019 C9–E9 Owner's Thread (No Price Talk)
 
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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57778616)
Do you have the sku now?


I emailed my guy today at Magnolia and received the same answer. Expect the TVs in the warehouse on Fri or early next week. I think once they receive the shipment an SKU will be created.


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guitarguy316 03-20-2019 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by helvetica bold (Post 57778790)
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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57778616)
Do you have the sku now?


I emailed my guy today at Magnolia and received the same answer. Expect the TVs in the warehouse on Fri or early next week. I think once they receive the shipment an SKU will be created.


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Ah ok. I thought your status had changed when you created the thread.

By warehouse you didn’t mean your actual store

Y2JDMBFAN 03-20-2019 08:46 PM

Even though I picked up a Sony 75Z9D open box for a steal a year ago from Best Buy, I am getting the itch to upgrade / side grade back to a 77" C9 OLED. I would rather get a 77" Sony, but it doesn't look like they are going to have the latest and greatest tech that the C9 will. I'm interested to see what the uniformity 5% slides look like.

RadTech51 03-20-2019 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Y2JDMBFAN (Post 57779684)
Even though I picked up a Sony 75Z9D open box for a steal a year ago from Best Buy, I am getting the itch to upgrade / side grade back to a 77" C9 OLED. I would rather get a 77" Sony, but it doesn't look like they are going to have the latest and greatest tech that the C9 will. I'm interested to see what the uniformity 5% slides look like.

Yep the 77” C9 is very attractive from what I’ve learned. However if the 77” C9 and the Sony A9G Master Series have the exact same screen in regards to the vertical banding issues - being (Greatly Reduced) then it’s going to be a difficult choice. I love Sony’s motion handling and video processing it’s really top notch. However I’m really hoping that for LG’s new C9 they copy this technology from Sony. But I don’t know how realistic that is for these new C9’s.

helvetica bold 03-20-2019 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57778956)
Ah ok. I thought your status had changed when you created the thread.

By warehouse you didn’t mean your actual store



I’m in NY and the TVs are shipped to Minn BB warehouse.
Someone in the forums suggested I should start an owners thread so here we are. Won’t be long before we have our new TVs.


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africanlivedit 03-21-2019 07:12 AM

I look forward to reading everyone's reviews on the C9.

I've been saving up for the C9 for a few years now. Using the 5% back on the Amazon Prime card - built a nice little credit ; )

Anyway, I've got an itchy finger to pull the trigger for the 65 inch but will wait for the reviews first.

djgcue 03-21-2019 09:57 AM

This will be my first OLED. I passed on a great deal from ShopExchange for a Sony A8F to get a 65" C9. HDMI 2.1 ranks high on my consideration list, since the upcoming Sony PS5 should have HDMI 2.1.

DistractedforLife 03-26-2019 11:47 AM

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jrref 03-26-2019 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by africanlivedit (Post 57781004)
I look forward to reading everyone's reviews on the C9.

I've been saving up for the C9 for a few years now. Using the 5% back on the Amazon Prime card - built a nice little credit ; )

Anyway, I've got an itchy finger to pull the trigger for the 65 inch but will wait for the reviews first.

Here is my initial impressions with the C9 -> https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...l#post57764872

lsorensen 03-26-2019 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by drewTT (Post 57777468)
We want 5% slides as soon as you get it...haha. I think I'll pop for a 55E9 for the bedroom once they drop later this year.

How about letting it be used for a few hours and enjoyed a bit before making someone take pictures of dark grey slides?

drewTT 03-26-2019 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lsorensen (Post 57807748)
How about letting it be used for a few hours and enjoyed a bit before making someone take pictures of dark grey slides?



Lol. For sure. It was a tongue in cheek comment on my part.

Cleveland Plasma 03-27-2019 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by drewTT (Post 57777468)
We want 5% slides as soon as you get it...haha. I think I'll pop for a 55E9 for the bedroom once they drop later this year.

Maybe he is the type to not look at that stuff and he is just going to enjoy his set ;)

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Originally Posted by djgcue (Post 57781808)
This will be my first OLED. I passed on a great deal from ShopExchange for a Sony A8F to get a 65" C9. HDMI 2.1 ranks high on my consideration list, since the upcoming Sony PS5 should have HDMI 2.1.

Our Military deserves a great price and better......

jrref 03-27-2019 06:45 AM

So far I believe the panels are the same as last year so I don't expect any change in banding.

akadennis 03-28-2019 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jrref (Post 57810754)
So far I believe the panels are the same as last year so I don't expect any change in banding.

well that's disappointing, however not surprising. Looks like 2019 will not be the year I replace my C7, damn.

fafrd 03-28-2019 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jrref (Post 57810754)
So far I believe the panels are the same as last year so I don't expect any change in banding.

Except that the better BFI will improve near-black uniformity (and reduce what many call 'banding').

The 2018s could also improve near-black uniformity by engaging BFI, but at 60Hz, that came at the expense of noticable flicker that was a showstopper for many (as well as a 50% loss of brightness).

The 2019 WOLEDs ability to deliver 50% BFI @ 120Hz should deliver the same improvememt to near-black uniformity without noticable flicker and with only a 25% loss of brightness (so 150 Nits full-field becomes ~112.5 nits) rather that the 50% brightness hit on the 2018s (so 150 nits becomes 75 nits).

And as far as 24Hz content, that improved near-bladk uniformity comes without introducimg 3:2 pulldown judder or SOE; the 2019s can present 24fps content as judder-free 5:5 pulldown...

Bruce Watson 03-28-2019 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by fafrd (Post 57819706)
And as far as 24Hz content, that improved near-bladk uniformity comes without introducimg 3:2 pulldown judder or SOE; the 2019s can present 24fps content as judder-free 5:5 pulldown...

Yes! What my decade old 120 Hz Panny Plasma does. Finally, OLED is going to catch up. Kinda. Sorta. Maybe. I'm waiting to see what the people who buy the 2019s think about motion handling. I'm thinking it's going to be a reasonable visual improvement over the 2018s (e.g. C8). Time will tell.

fafrd 03-28-2019 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Watson (Post 57819934)
Yes! What my decade old 120 Hz Panny Plasma does. Finally, OLED is going to catch up. Kinda. Sorta. Maybe. I'm waiting to see what the people who buy the 2019s think about motion handling. I'm thinking it's going to be a reasonable visual improvement over the 2018s (e.g. C8). Time will tell.

Was your Panny Plasma a 240Hz Effective Refresh Rate? Motion-interpolated (or frame-repeated) content to 120fps and then presented it at 120Hz w/ 60% BFI (240Hz Effective Refresh Rate)?

Most plasmas delivered better than 3.5ms MPRT because of the time-division-multiplexing they used. An effective persistsnce of 2ms is often claimed for plasma.

But the 2019 WOLEDs should be able to deliver motion performance no more than twice the level of MPRT that the best plasmas delivered...

Bruce Watson 03-28-2019 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by fafrd (Post 57819964)
Was your Panny Plasma a 240Hz Effective Refresh Rate? Motion-interpolated (or frame-repeated) content to 120fps and then presented it at 120Hz w/ 60% BFI (240Hz Effective Refresh Rate)?

It's a Panny V10 from April 2009. All I remember is that I was able to confirm 5:5 pulldown (that's frame repetition IIRC) to avoid the 2:3 judder common on 24 fps sources shown on 60 Hz panels. I think the panel is only 120 Hz, but could well be wrong. It's been 11 years since I thought about it much. :rolleyes:

When I first got it my only signal source was a blu-ray player. Netflix was wonderful before streaming :D. So for the first couple of years that's all it got -- 24 fps movies on blu-rays (which back then took some interesting settings in the blu-ray player to make happen IIRC).

It's been a workhorse HDTV, and I've been really pleased with how it has keep up its look. Still a thing of beauty. But I'd like something bigger -- as in 75" or more. Maybe a 2019 set. Maybe a 2020. Hmmm.....

robert9674 03-29-2019 11:50 AM

Hey got my C9 coming in April 1st :)

guitarguy316 03-29-2019 11:55 AM

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It’s happening...loaded in my car and can’t wait to play with it tonight! It’s a March 2019 build...

WOLVERNOLE 03-29-2019 12:04 PM

Congratulations !
 
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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57823716)
It’s happening...loaded in my car and can’t wait to play with it tonight! It’s a March 2019 build...

Well let me be the first to say "Congratulations" and "Very best wishes on a GREAT, and mostly improved unit." I hope it is all that you are wishing for and more ! I KNOW you are gonna be "all over this" and make us proud with a detailed review.
May I request a CRITICAL review of how this C9 handles 1080i/broadcast material up conversion, please? Thanks man !:D

LeQuack 03-29-2019 12:17 PM

"Using AI to achieve 5.1 channel virtual surround sound" Oh dear god. :rolleyes:

guitarguy316 03-29-2019 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by WOLVERNOLE (Post 57823760)
Well let me be the first to say "Congratulations" and "Very best wishes on a GREAT, and mostly improved unit." I hope it is all that you are wishing for and more ! I KNOW you are gonna be "all over this" and make us proud with a detailed review.
May I request a CRITICAL review of how this C9 handles 1080i/broadcast material up conversion, please? Thanks man !:D

Thanks, absolutely will gather some thoughts. I PRAY little to no banding AND no color tint, or not visible...PRAYING!!!

But yes, I'm really excited to see if gen2 matches Sony on cable upscaling (i'll watch basketball tonight) and play with BFI...Robert at VE said turning on 25% BFI is a "game-changer"

fafrd 03-29-2019 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57823934)
Thanks, absolutely will gather some thoughts. I PRAY little to no banding AND no color tint, or not visible...PRAYING!!!

But yes, I'm really excited to see if gen2 matches Sony on cable upscaling (i'll watch basketball tonight) and play with BFI...Robert at VE said turning on 25% BFI is a "game-changer"

If you are watching sports, the best mode should be to use Smooth Motion to interpolate up to 120 fps and then engage 50% [email protected] This should give you 3.5ms MPRT (persistance) without visible 60Hz flicker.

Engaging 25% BFI @ 60Hz (BFI Low) will reduce MPRT from 16.7ms to ~12ms with no visible loss of brightness (autocompensation of +25%) but will introduce some 60Hz flicker.

Going all the way to 75% BFI @ 60Hz (BFI Medium) will get you all the way down to 3.5ms MPRT but with a 50% loss of brightness and the most 60Hz flicker.

You can increase OLED Light to compensate for the brightness loss:

0% Brighness loss with BFI Low @ 60Hz (25% BFI for 12ms MPRT)
25% Brightness loss with BFI Medium @ 60Hz (50% BFI for ~7ms MPRT)
50% Brightness loss with BFI High @ 60Hz (75% BFI for 3.5ms MPRT)
25% Brightness loss with BDI @ 120Hz (w/ SmoothMotion ON) (50% BFI for 3.5ms MPRT)

Very interested to understand which BFI modes you think deliver the best viewing of your basketball games!

jrref 03-29-2019 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57823934)
Thanks, absolutely will gather some thoughts. I PRAY little to no banding AND no color tint, or not visible...PRAYING!!!

But yes, I'm really excited to see if gen2 matches Sony on cable upscaling (i'll watch basketball tonight) and play with BFI...Robert at VE said turning on 25% BFI is a "game-changer"

Right put it on Low.

guitarguy316 03-29-2019 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jrref (Post 57824134)
Right put it on Low.

i usually use technicolor sdr on 60 for my room with moderate lighting/sun during day...so 25% BFI (LOW), how much do you think you need to bump OLED light? Also, since I'm new to the BFI, do you turn on BFI but leave off trumotion, etc?

Micolash 03-29-2019 01:35 PM

Why would bfi low be game changing? It barely reduces persistence. You should set it to high (75%) and compare to medium while watching sports.


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jrref 03-29-2019 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Micolash (Post 57824314)
Why would bfi low be game changing? It barely reduces persistence. You should set it to high (75%) and compare to medium while watching sports.


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Because on the C9 at the store, we noticed setting BFI to Low only slightly reduces the brightness and no flicker while giving relatively smooth motion. If you set it to high you get a noticeable drop in brightness and some flicker.

Micolash 03-29-2019 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jrref (Post 57824448)
Because on the C9 at the store, we noticed setting BFI to Low only slightly reduces the brightness and no flicker while giving relatively smooth motion. If you set it to high you get a noticeable drop in brightness and some flicker.



Well yes. But that’s because it’s inserting fewer black frames.


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jrref 03-29-2019 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Micolash (Post 57824490)
Well yes. But that’s because it’s inserting fewer black frames.


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Right but we were comparing motion on the C9 and the A9F and setting BFI to Low on the C9 seemed to best smooth out motion overall. I also like setting motion interpolation to 4/3 if BFI is OFF. The problem with motion is everyone has their own sensitivity and the set's effectiveness depends on the content being displayed. All I can tell you is what we observed. LG is shipping the 2019 sets now so i'm sure we will get other opinions from new owners.

jmpage2 03-29-2019 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Micolash (Post 57824490)
Well yes. But that’s because it’s inserting fewer black frames.


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What matters more, what is happening on a technical level or what the perceived effect is by actual humans?

guitarguy316 03-29-2019 03:23 PM

Up and running...first impressions on Directv...

Using technicolor sdr default with oled light 60 and turned on “AI Picture”...

Definitely feels cleaner and more crisp than C8. I immediately picked up on smoother motion. I have yet to turn anything else on. I tried turning on BFI but I couldn’t find the option to change between low, medium, and high. Need to play around more. Also feel there’s definitely more pop.

One issue I’m having is I turned on hdmi2 to allow hdr and every time I put on hdr from my Directv box the hlg hdr pops up but screen goes blank and then the no signal screensaver comes up. I have tried 3 times now and have to keep turning off everything and starting over to get picture back. So Directv hdr through my denon to c9 isn’t playing nice. It worked fine on the C8...so not sure what gives but guess I can try new cables.

guitarguy316 03-29-2019 03:25 PM

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New_to_4K 03-29-2019 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57824938)
Box picture again...

Nice! Congrats, do post your impressions.

Zumb 03-29-2019 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57824938)
Box picture again...

Now we just need tv pictures ;)

fafrd 03-29-2019 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jrref (Post 57824448)
Because on the C9 at the store, we noticed setting BFI to Low only slightly reduces the brightness and no flicker while giving relatively smooth motion. If you set it to high you get a noticeable drop in brightness and some flicker.

The 'drop in brightness' is a non-issue unless you are viewing HDR (which you won't be with sports).

At 25% [email protected] (Low) there should be almost no drop in brightness (25% auto-compensation), but only a 25% reduction in persistance (MPRT). It should look a bit 'better' than BFI off because persistance is reduced with no other visible impact.

At 50% [email protected] (Medium), you are matching what the C8 BFI delivered but with only ~half the brightness loss of the C8 (25% brightness loss rather than 50% brightness loss). Unless you already have OLED Light above 65, OLED Light can be increased to compensate for this brighness loss, so you have 50% the persistance with 60Hz flicker that should be as visible as it was on the C8.

At 75% [email protected] (High), you are getting 3.5ms MPRT with the same brightness loss as the C8 (50%). You can again compensate for the brighess loss by ~doubling OLED Light (if it was no higher than 50), but 60Hz flicker will be at least as bad if not worse as it was on the C8.

The best setting for sports should be to use 50% BFI @ 120Hz (this should be the real 'Game Changer' - 3.5ms MPRT with only 25% loss of brightness). To use 120Hz BFI you need to engage SmoothMotion to frame-interpolate the incoming signal from 1080i60 (60fps interlaced) or 720p60 (60fps progressive @ 720p resolution) to 2160p120 ([email protected]).

But the result will be 3.5ms MPRT @ 25% loss of brightness (which can be compensated by increasing OLED Light as long as you were below 65 without BFI) and with pretty much no flicker (flicker @ 120Hz instead of 60Hz).

guitarguy316 03-29-2019 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Micolash (Post 57824490)
Well yes. But that’s because it’s inserting fewer black frames.


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Right but we were comparing motion on the C9 and the A9F and setting BFI to Low on the C9 seemed to best smooth out motion overall. I also like setting motion interpolation to 4/3 if BFI is OFF. The problem with motion is everyone has their own sensitivity and the set's effectiveness depends on the content being displayed. All I can tell you is what we observed. LG is shipping the 2019 sets now so i'm sure we will get other opinions from new owners.

How do you change the OLED motion to low, medium, or high? On the technicolor preset it only shows as On or Off switch? I have AI Picture ON...is that the problem?

fafrd 03-29-2019 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57825182)
How do you change the OLED motion to low, medium, or high? On the technicolor preset it only shows as On or Off switch? I have AI Picture ON...is that the problem?

I'd suggest you choose some preset like 'standard' and turn everything OFF. Who knows which other settings prevent activation of BFI? Using 'Standard' as a Sports mode with BFI activated and OLED Light increased to compensate for any loss of brightness is what I would do.

After playing around with BFI modes at 60Hz, you can activate SmoothMotion on mac to interpolate to 120Hz and that should only allow BFI at Medium (or simply ON/OFF).

JasonHa 03-29-2019 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57825182)
How do you change the OLED motion to low, medium, or high? On the technicolor preset it only shows as On or Off switch? I have AI Picture ON...is that the problem?

Not sure if this will help but check Vincent's video at 7:30


guitarguy316 03-29-2019 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JasonHa (Post 57825254)
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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57825182)
How do you change the OLED motion to low, medium, or high? On the technicolor preset it only shows as On or Off switch? I have AI Picture ON...is that the problem?

Not sure if this will help but check Vincent's video at 7:30


Yeah I watched that too. Maybe I have old firmware? My option is a slider on or off. Did a firmware update check and it’s up to date. Wonder if this is coming via firmware update.

guitarguy316 03-29-2019 06:36 PM

Watching the NCAA game and motion and upscaling are definItely an upgrade this year. Regular cable Directv content now has some wow factor again for me. I have only had LG oleds but the C9 should definitely give the Sony X1 chip a run for its money.

I have “AI Picture” set to ON and all other technicolor sdr settings unchanged except oled light and looks great.

I was hoping to figure out this BFI but I have no option but on or off. I must have some old firmware or they haven’t rolled it out yet?

Might play with putting smooth gradation on low and see what happens but I’m not seeing any color banding.

The peak brightness is an interesting setting. Turning it on for sdr almost makes it eye searing bright.

I have not run any 5% or 100% slides yet to look for banding and tint. So far in my couple hours I haven’t seen anything but haven’t decided if I’m going to run the normal torture tests or not. Just really enjoying the tv right now.

One other note, the new stand is HEAVY. Not the front piece but the counter weight piece in the back is solid.

I was also worried from the pics that the stand looked like a lighter silver color like the 2017 series in pictures. I can report it’s pretty much the same gunmetal as the 2018 series.

Jacob R. 03-29-2019 06:55 PM

I am about the pull the trigger on one of these and I just want to confirm that as far as we all know there is no inherent picture quality difference between the C and E models correct? In other words the Picture on Glass design does not net any material contrast or viewing angle benefits?

guitarguy316 03-29-2019 06:56 PM

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I turned on some lighting in the room and I do think the new anti reflective filter is better. I’m not seeing as bad reflections as I did on the C8. That’s a good thing since I thought they went backwards from the E6 I used to have that did better than C8 in my opinion.

Here’s some phone pictures, so pardon the quality...showing the tv, stand, and a few settings.

Going to try some HDR/DV...

When anyone else gets one, let me know your firmware version. I’m feeling that they haven’t rolled out the BFI update?

guitarguy316 03-29-2019 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacob R. (Post 57825912)
I am about the pull the trigger on one of these and I just want to confirm that as far as we all know there is no inherent picture quality difference between the C and E models correct? In other words the Picture on Glass design does not net any material contrast or viewing angle benefits?

No, I’ve had C and E series. E looks nice but zero difference. At one point people assumed LG did better QC on the E series but don’t think that was ever proven.

fafrd 03-29-2019 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57824190)
i usually use technicolor sdr on 60 for my room with moderate lighting/sun during day...so 25% BFI (LOW), how much do you think you need to bump OLED light? Also, since I'm new to the BFI, do you turn on BFI but leave off trumotion, etc?

There is apparently +25% BFI brightness compensation already built into the 2019 LG WOLRDs, so from OLED Light 60, here are your compensation settings:

BFI Low (25%) @ 60Hz: No change (or a couple clicks until it looks 'right to you)

BFI Mefium (50%) @ 60Hz: OLED Light 80 (+33%)

BFI High (75%) @ 60Hz: OLED Light 100 (and even that will not fully-compensate - you should lose ~17% brightness)

BFI ON (50%) @ 120Hz: OLED Light 80 (+33%)

fafrd 03-29-2019 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57825826)
Watching the NCAA game and motion and upscaling are definItely an upgrade this year. Regular cable Directv content now has some wow factor again for me. I have only had LG oleds but the C9 should definitely give the Sony X1 chip a run for its money.

I have “AI Picture” set to ON and all other technicolor sdr settings unchanged except oled light and looks great.

I was hoping to figure out this BFI but I have no option but on or off. I must have some old firmware or they haven’t rolled it out yet?

Might play with putting smooth gradation on low and see what happens but I’m not seeing any color banding.

The peak brightness is an interesting setting. Turning it on for sdr almost makes it eye searing bright.

I have not run any 5% or 100% slides yet to look for banding and tint. So far in my couple hours I haven’t seen anything but haven’t decided if I’m going to run the normal torture tests or not. Just really enjoying the tv right now.

One other note, the new stand is HEAVY. Not the front piece but the counter weight piece in the back is solid.

I was also worried from the pics that the stand looked like a lighter silver color like the 2017 series in pictures. I can report it’s pretty much the same gunmetal as the 2018 series.

Strange. Have you tried turning OFF absolutely everything (in a specific preset like Standard or Game if needed)?

The other thing you can try is using Smooth Motion to interpolate up to 120Hz. BFI ON @ 120Hz is 3.5ms MPRT while BFI on Medium @ 60Hz is double that.

120Hz flicker should also be much hardet to detect than 60Hz flicker - are you noticing any flicker with BFI ON?

Finally, at OLED Light 60 w/o BFI, you should be able to match brightness by increasing OLED Light to 80 with 50% BFI ON - is tust what you are experiencing?

fafrd 03-29-2019 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57825928)
I turned on some lighting in the room and I do think the new anti reflective filter is better. I’m not seeing as bad reflections as I did on the C8. That’s a good thing since I thought they went backwards from the E6 I used to have that did better than C8 in my opinion.

Here’s some phone pictures, so pardon the quality...showing the tv, stand, and a few settings.

Going to try some HDR/DV...

When anyone else gets one, let me know your firmware version. I’m feeling that they haven’t rolled out the BFI update?

jrref tested the Low, Medium High BFI settings on the C9 he calibrated at VE - perhaps you could send him a PM asking if he noted down the FW version (and otherwise I believe he may be spending more time with the TV this weekend).

D-Nice 03-29-2019 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fafrd (Post 57826018)
jrref tested the Low, Medium High BFI settings on the C9 he calibrated at VE - perhaps you could send him a PM asking if he noted down the FW version (and otherwise I believe he may be spending more time with the TV this weekend).

3.50.22 is the current firmware on production units. VE did not have a production C9 either (the one John calibrated). It is/was a review sample sent from LG.

guitarguy316 03-29-2019 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Nice (Post 57826040)
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Originally Posted by fafrd (Post 57826018)
jrref tested the Low, Medium High BFI settings on the C9 he calibrated at VE - perhaps you could send him a PM asking if he noted down the FW version (and otherwise I believe he may be spending more time with the TV this weekend).

3.50.22 is the current firmware on production units. VE did not have a production C9 either (the one John calibrated). It is/was a review sample sent from LG.

Yep, this explains the BFI settings missing for me. They haven’t rolled it out into commercial production as D-NICE said, so I can’t test it yet.

jrref 03-29-2019 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Nice (Post 57826040)
3.50.22 is the current firmware on production units. VE did not have a production C9 either (the one John calibrated). It is/was a review sample sent from LG.

On the set I calibrated was version 03.00.94 so you have a later version. VE has production sets now so I can check to see the version they have on Monday.

I was working with ISF Bright PM. Look in that PM to see if the user controls are any different.

fafrd 03-29-2019 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57825410)
Yeah I watched that too. Maybe I have old firmware? My option is a slider on or off. Did a firmware update check and it’s up to date. Wonder if this is coming via firmware update.

What FW version do you have?

Sounds as rhough 03.00.94 has been confirmed to have the Low, Medium, High BFI options while D-Nice had 03.50.22 on a review sample (and I'm not sure whether he's confirmed whether the TV he had also supported Low, Medium and High BFI settings or not...).

There was that report from Germany early this month that LG had 'backed out' the advanced BFI settings, so they were probably testing an early production TV with the same FW version you have.

Welcome to the bleeding-edge ;).

fafrd 03-29-2019 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Nice (Post 57826040)
3.50.22 is the current firmware on production units. VE did not have a production C9 either (the one John calibrated). It is/was a review sample sent from LG.

Perhaps I misunderstood - so you've tested an early FW version on a review sample (03.00.94, like jrref) but have not yet tested 3.50.22?

The review sample you tested did support Low, Medium, High BFI settings, correct?

So we need guitarguy to tell us which FW version his C9 has and wait for someone to get a C9 with 3.50.22 to test...

jrref 03-29-2019 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fafrd (Post 57826156)
Perhaps I misunderstood - so you've tested an early FW version on a review sample (03.00.94, like jrref) but have not yet tested 3.50.22?

The review sample you tested did support Low, Medium, High BFI settings, correct?

So we need guitarguy to tell us which FW version his C9 has and wait for someone to get a C9 with 3.50.22 to test...

I would also verify on guitarguy's set if he see's BFI in ISF Bright PM. Remember LG changed the Technicolor PM to use a different white point and brightness. Maybe other things have changed as well.

guitarguy316 03-29-2019 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by fafrd (Post 57826156)
Quote:

Originally Posted by D-Nice (Post 57826040)
3.50.22 is the current firmware on production units. VE did not have a production C9 either (the one John calibrated). It is/was a review sample sent from LG.

Perhaps I misunderstood - so you've tested an early FW version on a review sample (03.00.94, like jrref) but have not yet tested 3.50.22?

The review sample you tested did support Low, Medium, High BFI settings, correct?

So we need guitarguy to tell us which FW version his C9 has and wait for someone to get a C9 with 3.50.22 to test...

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Originally Posted by jrref (Post 57826170)
Quote:

Originally Posted by fafrd (Post 57826156)
Perhaps I misunderstood - so you've tested an early FW version on a review sample (03.00.94, like jrref) but have not yet tested 3.50.22?

The review sample you tested did support Low, Medium, High BFI settings, correct?

So we need guitarguy to tell us which FW version his C9 has and wait for someone to get a C9 with 3.50.22 to test...

I would also verify on guitarguy's set if he see's BFI in ISF Bright PM. Remember LG changed the Technicolor PM to use a different white point and brightness. Maybe other things have changed as well.

DeWayne and I are texting about it. We are on same firmware 3.50.22 and neither have the BFI settings for low/med/high.

It’s possible they pulled it out after finding bugs, which maybe explains why the other guy with the 03.00.xx firmware has the 3 level settings.

WOLVERNOLE 03-29-2019 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57825826)
Watching the NCAA game and motion and upscaling are definItely an upgrade this year. Regular cable Directv content now has some wow factor again for me. I have only had LG oleds but the C9 should definitely give the Sony X1 chip a run for its money.

I have “AI Picture” set to ON and all other technicolor sdr settings unchanged except oled light and looks great.

I was hoping to figure out this BFI but I have no option but on or off. I must have some old firmware or they haven’t rolled it out yet?

Might play with putting smooth gradation on low and see what happens but I’m not seeing any color banding.

The peak brightness is an interesting setting. Turning it on for sdr almost makes it eye searing bright.

I have not run any 5% or 100% slides yet to look for banding and tint. So far in my couple hours I haven’t seen anything but haven’t decided if I’m going to run the normal torture tests or not. Just really enjoying the tv right now.

One other note, the new stand is HEAVY. Not the front piece but the counter weight piece in the back is solid.

I was also worried from the pics that the stand looked like a lighter silver color like the 2017 series in pictures. I can report it’s pretty much the same gunmetal as the 2018 series.

That your Directv cable (1080i) is looking better ("motion and upscaling a definite upgrade this year" ) AND no notable "color banding" is VERY EXCITING and encouraging !:D

guitarguy316 03-29-2019 08:27 PM

Confirming there is no BFI settings on the isf modes either...looks like they removed the 3 level settings.

WOLVERNOLE 03-29-2019 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57826274)
Confirming there is no BFI settings on the isf modes either...looks like they removed the 3 level settings.

I call "weird-O-rama." Yea, the joys and trepidation of "First Owner" syndrome.

Thank you however for tredding early ground so that the rest of us may learn.;)

It still sounds encouraging. Now enjoy some more of that tournament !

guitarguy316 03-29-2019 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by WOLVERNOLE (Post 57826302)
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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57826274)
Confirming there is no BFI settings on the isf modes either...looks like they removed the 3 level settings.

I call "weird-O-rama." Yea, the joys and trepidation of "First Owner" syndrome.

Thank you however for tredding early ground so that the rest of us may learn.[IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]

It still sounds encouraging. Now enjoy some more of that tournament !

For sure I’m enjoying it and was worth the upgrade/purchase so far. Going to guess they sell a ton of these if other impressions are good too. I know Robert at VE was giving high praise when I spoke to him the other day.

I know everyone wants test slide pictures but so far I haven’t seen anything in content and not worth peeking even though I know everyone wants banding pictures.

Signing off for the night. Going to test gaming features tomorrow.

D-Nice 03-29-2019 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by fafrd (Post 57826134)
What FW version do you have?

Sounds as rhough 03.00.94 has been confirmed to have the Low, Medium, High BFI options while D-Nice had 03.50.22 on a review sample (and I'm not sure whether he's confirmed whether the TV he had also supported Low, Medium and High BFI settings or not...).

There was that report from Germany early this month that LG had 'backed out' the advanced BFI settings, so they were probably testing an early production TV with the same FW version you have.

Welcome to the bleeding-edge ;).

I don’t accept review samples. I buy every TV I evaluate. It is the only way to ensure a random and consumer level sample.

guitarguy316 03-29-2019 09:01 PM

I’m still having trouble with Directv box 4k hdr where it loses connection with tv and screen goes blank. Gonna try a different cable tomorrow but never had that issue with hlg hdr on previous TVs.

fafrd 03-29-2019 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57826274)
Confirming there is no BFI settings on the isf modes either...looks like they removed the 3 level settings.

Your post gives me a mild pit in the stomach (confirmation of the German rumor).

The main advantage of the 2019s over the 2018s was OLED Motion Pro...

On the other hand, LG made a press release about delvering 3.5ms MPRT, which is impossible without 75% [email protected] or 50% [email protected], so hopefully either 50% [email protected] is abailable or LG plans to brong back the Low Mefium High settings with a FW update...

Have you tried setting SmoothMotion to max and activating BFI? If 50% BFI is supported with frame interpolation to 120Hz, that is the most importance advance...

Unconscionable to imagine that LG sent 'review samples' out supporting features that have been pulled from production units...

spear 03-29-2019 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by fafrd (Post 57826592)
Your post gives me a mild oit in the stimach (confirmation of the German rumor).

The main advantage of the 2019s over the 2018s was OLED Motion Pro...

On the other hand, LG made a press release about delvering 3.5ms MPRT, which is impossible without 75% [email protected] or 50% [email protected], so hopefully either 50% [email protected] is abailable or LG plans to brong back the Low Mefium High settings with a FW update...
[...]

Do you have a link to that press release? As far as I know, the 3.5ms MPRT figure came from a CES press release by LG Display about their "Crystal Motion OLED" demo, not from an LG Electronics release about the 2019 models.

fafrd 03-30-2019 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by spear (Post 57826716)
Do you have a link to that press release? As far as I know, the 3.5ms MPRT figure came from a CES press release by LG Display about their "Crystal Motion OLED" demo, not from an LG Electronics release about the 2019 models.

Yeah, that pit in my stomach is getting bigger: https://www.engadget.com/2019/01/06/...crystal-sound/

"It wouldn't be CES without a few exotic screens from LG Display, and the company is keen to deliver this year... The company also has something for fans of fast-paced shows. On top of a 65-inch 8K OLED display (pictured above and below), it's showing off a 65-inch 4K OLED panel with a "world's fastest" motion picture response time of just 3.5ms. LG pitches this as ideal for action movies and sports, although it should also be ideal for gaming where the slightest bit of unintended blur can spoil the experience."

If the enhanced OLED Motion Pro including 3.5ms MPRT is getting 'pulled back' by LG Electronics in the 2019 WOLEDs (for whatever reason), I'll be passing on the C9 (and either grabbing a much-cheapwr C8 or waiting for the C20s...

Beffuddling how they coukd have had it in the review sample firmware but decided to pull tje feature from the production FW.

guitarguy316 03-30-2019 05:07 AM

I’m sure it’s becasue they are tweaking it or found some bug. Makes no sense to send out to reviewers who will discuss it but then not release it to the public. I’m not worried and assume it’ll come in a software update.

Zumb 03-30-2019 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57826318)
For sure I’m enjoying it and was worth the upgrade/purchase so far. Going to guess they sell a ton of these if other impressions are good too. I know Robert at VE was giving high praise when I spoke to him the other day.

I know everyone wants test slide pictures but so far I haven’t seen anything in content and not worth peeking even though I know everyone wants banding pictures.

Signing off for the night. Going to test gaming features tomorrow.

For the gaming features, you will check for PC, Xbox One X...?
Tks a lot for your impressions!

New_to_4K 03-30-2019 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57827116)
I’m sure it’s becasue they are tweaking it or found some bug. Makes no sense to send out to reviewers who will discuss it but then not release it to the public. I’m not worried and assume it’ll come in a software update.

Probably will come out as a firmware update. I remember LG delivered on their promises in the past.

obveron 03-30-2019 05:33 AM

Just speculating here, they probably removed BFI choices for consumers and went with on-off to keep things simple. At 60hz, BFi is probably 25% with least flicker. At 120hz is 50% because that is the limit of the panel.

BFI med and high were probably removed because 60hz bfi at 50% and 75% causes flickering.

So for those that want the smoothest motion, they would use BFI with smooth motion on. They would get the least persistence but need interpolation to get there.
Those that want to avoid interpolation, could use BFI only for a small cut in persistence with no brightness loss and (hopefully) no noticeable flickering.

guitarguy316 03-30-2019 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Zumb (Post 57827118)
Quote:

Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57826318)
For sure I’m enjoying it and was worth the upgrade/purchase so far. Going to guess they sell a ton of these if other impressions are good too. I know Robert at VE was giving high praise when I spoke to him the other day.

I know everyone wants test slide pictures but so far I haven’t seen anything in content and not worth peeking even though I know everyone wants banding pictures.

Signing off for the night. Going to test gaming features tomorrow.

For the gaming features, you will check for PC, Xbox One X...?
Tks a lot for your impressions!

Xbox One X

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Originally Posted by obveron (Post 57827160)
Just speculating here, they probably removed BFI choices for consumers and went with on-off to keep things simple. At 60hz, BFi is probably 25% with least flicker. At 120hz is 50% because that is the limit of the panel.

BFI med and high were probably removed because 60hz bfi at 50% and 75% causes flickering.

So for those that want the smoothest motion, they would use BFI with smooth motion on. They would get the least persistence but need interpolation to get there.
Those that want to avoid interpolation, could use BFI only for a small cut in persistence with no brightness loss and (hopefully) no noticeable flickering.

I don’t know...when I turn it on, it dims quite a bit, more than I would think the 25% (low) would be but then again I don’t have it side by side with a C8 to tell.

obveron 03-30-2019 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57827198)
I don’t know...when I turn it on, it dims quite a bit, more than I would think the 25% (low) would be but then again I don’t have it side by side with a C8 to tell.

Interesting, thanks for your observations. That indicates it's either not engaging a 25% brightness boost when BFI is enabled, or that BFI on is using 50% or 75% at 60hz.
Can you try enabling smooth motion and toggling BFI on and off? Does it appear to have equivalent brightness loss as toggling BFI on/off without smooth motion on?

Axxion 03-30-2019 07:08 AM

Speaking of xbox one, do you feel the lower lag vs the c8? How is it going from 21ms~ to the advertised 13 in say a shooter that runs 60fps?

guitarguy316 03-30-2019 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Axxion (Post 57827468)
Speaking of xbox one, do you feel the lower lag vs the c8? How is it going from 21ms~ to the advertised 13 in say a shooter that runs 60fps?

Gonna test some COD this afternoon. Gotta get the XOX settings changed for auto game mode and vrr. On the C9, you have options to turn on vrr and auto game mode in the menu.

ChicagoChris 03-30-2019 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by New_to_4K (Post 57827122)
Probably will come out as a firmware update. I remember LG delivered on their promises in the past.



That's the good thing about LG. They do fix the stuff that's deemed issues.


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guitarguy316 03-30-2019 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ChicagoChris (Post 57827732)
Quote:

Originally Posted by New_to_4K (Post 57827122)
Probably will come out as a firmware update. I remember LG delivered on their promises in the past.



That's the good thing about LG. They do fix the stuff that's deemed issues.


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I’m not concerned, been chatting with some people and they believe it’ll come in firmqare like some of the other features. It wouldn’t make sense to be on review models but not in the regular versions from the store. Right on the LG website it says “some features will be available via firmware update”.

Zumb 03-30-2019 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57827724)
Gonna test some COD this afternoon. Gotta get the XOX settings changed for auto game mode and vrr. On the C9, you have options to turn on vrr and auto game mode in the menu.

Any games running at 30 fps? There was a website informing that VRR range was between 40-120hz, if that's the case console owners may be disappointed.

Not my case though, PC gamer, but nevertheless I would think it would be disappointing for a lot of gamers...

Cleveland Plasma 03-30-2019 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57825826)
Watching the NCAA game and motion and upscaling are definItely an upgrade this year. Regular cable Directv content now has some wow factor again for me. I have only had LG oleds but the C9 should definitely give the Sony X1 chip a run for its money.

Sweet ;) That is good news indeed......

helvetica bold 03-30-2019 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Zumb (Post 57827934)
Any games running at 30 fps? There was a website informing that VRR range was between 40-120hz, if that's the case console owners may be disappointed.



Not my case though, PC gamer, but nevertheless I would think it would be disappointing for a lot of gamers...



I play a lot of Battlefield V on the X. At 60fps VRR will still smooth out any frame rate issues.


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Zumb 03-30-2019 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by helvetica bold (Post 57827996)
I play a lot of Battlefield V on the X. At 60fps VRR will still smooth out any frame rate issues.


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For 60fps I think it's safe, now for 30fps, not so sure...

guitarguy316 03-30-2019 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Zumb (Post 57828090)
Quote:

Originally Posted by helvetica bold (Post 57827996)
I play a lot of Battlefield V on the X. At 60fps VRR will still smooth out any frame rate issues.


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For 60fps I think it's safe, now for 30fps, not so sure...

I have red dead, is that 30fps?

Zumb 03-30-2019 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57828138)
I have red dead, is that 30fps?

Yes

JD23 03-30-2019 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57828138)
I have red dead, is that 30fps?


And fake HDR, unfortunately.

fafrd 03-30-2019 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57827116)
I’m sure it’s becasue they are tweaking it or found some bug. Makes no sense to send out to reviewers who will discuss it but then not release it to the public. I’m not worried and assume it’ll come in a software update.

I have a theory as to what happened with the improved BFI.

It was developed, it was working, it shipped out on review units.

In parallel, LGE was working on the C8 FW fix for the macroblocking issue on 2018 WOLEDs. The undated C8 FW has finally been released, effectively resolves the macroblocking issue from all reports, and apparently employs ditheringing of near-blacks as an important element in this new solution.

Dithering is essentially BFI on the single-pixel level (rather than the whole-panel level). So my theory is that when they decided they needed to incorporate the macoblocking fix into the C9 production FW, they realized it caused a conflict with the new 3.5ms OLED Motion Pro BFI and they had to choose one or the other.

Launching the 2019 TVs with improved near-black performance (and no repeat of a PQ defect that had alreeady been reported and resolved) won out over delivering improved BFI.

So my guess is that the production FW backed out all of the new BFI features and fell back on the 2018 BFI FW.

The unknown is whether, with time, LG will find a way to support 3.5ms MPRT while supporting the dithering needed for macroblocking solution.

But for now, it looks the C9s are limited to pretty much being C8s with HDMI 2,1...

New24K 03-30-2019 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by fafrd (Post 57828444)
But for now, it looks the C9s are limited to pretty much being C8s with HDMI 2,1...


There seem to be quite a few more improvements than just HDMI 2.1...

guitarguy316 03-30-2019 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by New24K (Post 57828628)
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Originally Posted by fafrd (Post 57828444)
But for now, it looks the C9s are limited to pretty much being C8s with HDMI 2,1...


There seem to be quite a few more improvements than just HDMI 2.1...

Yeah hdr/dv feels brighter and more pop. As we had read it is better processing rather than more nits I believe. There’s leak luminance adjustments and ai brightness which changes the curve I think based on your room lighting conditions. Whatever they have done it works well.

Playing XOX now, there is no smooth gradation feature in game mode.

Axxion 03-30-2019 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57827724)
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Originally Posted by Axxion (Post 57827468)
Speaking of xbox one, do you feel the lower lag vs the c8? How is it going from 21ms~ to the advertised 13 in say a shooter that runs 60fps?

Gonna test some COD this afternoon. Gotta get the XOX settings changed for auto game mode and vrr. On the C9, you have options to turn on vrr and auto game mode in the menu.

Looking forward to hear how you percieve the lag. I came from a tcl p607 and it was about 13ms which is what the c9 should be now. Just picked up a c8 from best buy and i feel the difference in increased lag but its not something you dont get used to after a few minutes. Still good and for the price i paid beats spending almost double for a c9. Doesnt mean i wont get a 77 inch when they are half price tho.

Sammie2980 03-30-2019 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarguy316 (Post 57828680)
Yeah hdr/dv feels brighter and more pop. As we had read it is better processing rather than more nits I believe. There’s leak luminance adjustments and ai brightness which changes the curve I think based on your room lighting conditions. Whatever they have done it works well.

Playing XOX now, there is no smooth gradation feature in game mode.

When you turn on VRR on the X1X and it is set to 4k what does the refresh rate go to? Does it allow for 4k 120? or does it force and cap at 60hz?

jrref 03-30-2019 12:52 PM

@guitarguy316

I noticed that BB doesn't have any of the LG C9's on the web site yet. I'm wondering if they are holding them back because they have a lot of 2018's still in stock? I've called around and the local retailers have them now. I'm going over to VE on Monday to take a look at and test a production C9 to see what firmware their batch has. I've never seen this before with LG but sometimes they send different batches of sets to different retailers.

It just seems so unusual that LG would announce BFI at CES, document it in a FAQ then let Neil Robinson show it and be filmed showing it and then hold it back unless they found an issue or bug that needs to be resolved.:rolleyes:

With the C9 I calibrated, the BFI worked great and I didn't see any near black flashing or any artifacts with the content I was testing with.

helvetica bold 03-30-2019 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxion (Post 57828772)
Looking forward to hear how you percieve the lag. I came from a tcl p607 and it was about 13ms which is what the c9 should be now. Just picked up a c8 from best buy and i feel the difference in increased lag but its not something you dont get used to after a few minutes. Still good and for the price i paid beats spending almost double for a c9. Doesnt mean i wont get a 77 inch when they are half price tho.



I own the TCL 605, lag is around 19ms according to Rtings. The C9 is rated fastest (12.9ms) for gaming next to the new Samsung’s.



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Axxion 03-30-2019 01:48 PM

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Looking forward to hear how you percieve the lag. I came from a tcl p607 and it was about 13ms which is what the c9 should be now. Just picked up a c8 from best buy and i feel the difference in increased lag but its not something you dont get used to after a few minutes. Still good and for the price i paid beats spending almost double for a c9. Doesnt mean i wont get a 77 inch when they are half price tho.



I own the TCL 605, lag is around 19ms according to Rtings. The C9 is rated fastest (12.9ms) for gaming next to the new Samsung’s.



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obveron 03-30-2019 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by fafrd (Post 57828444)
So my guess is that the production FW backed out all of the new BFI features and fell back on the 2018 BFI FW.

If you are correct that's truly disappointing. BFI low (25% at 60hz) should still work in your scenario, no? Hopefully someone can dump the fw from a review display.

teiresias 03-30-2019 02:16 PM

This entire BFI situation is insufferable. It was one of the key reasons I've held out in the face of the myriad of C8 deals. Definitely not buying a C9 until something official concerning the situation comes out from LG. Certainly the major reviewers aren't going to just let them skate by with dumping a feature tired when they revealed these at CES.

guitarguy316 03-30-2019 02:36 PM

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Yeah hdr/dv feels brighter and more pop. As we had read it is better processing rather than more nits I believe. There’s leak luminance adjustments and ai brightness which changes the curve I think based on your room lighting conditions. Whatever they have done it works well.

Playing XOX now, there is no smooth gradation feature in game mode.

When you turn on VRR on the X1X and it is set to 4k what does the refresh rate go to? Does it allow for 4k 120? or does it force and cap at 60hz?

How do I tell the frame rate?

helvetica bold 03-30-2019 02:43 PM

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Incorrect



Well I stand corrected. Damn, that makes the TCL even a better value than I thought.


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guitarguy316 03-30-2019 02:57 PM

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Well I decided to watch some hockey this afternoon...no DSE/banding when panning which is a plus. Looks great imo after only a few hours.

However I picked up on color tint, and I see magenta all over the place now imo...

Here’s a 100% white...have at it with the comments. I hoped we were past this on the QC. Looks like 4 distinct vertical areas imo.

fafrd 03-30-2019 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by teiresias (Post 57829260)
This entire BFI situation is insufferable. It was one of the key reasons I've held out in the face of the myriad of C8 deals. Definitely not buying a C9 until something official concerning the situation comes out from LG. Certainly the major reviewers aren't going to just let them skate by with dumping a feature tired when they revealed these at CES.

Me too.

I think we need to await the official release, but then we should alsrt Vincent Teoh and John Archer about this 'chsnge' and also contact LG customer support asking what happened to 25% BFI and 25% auto-Brightness-Boost...

And I'm still curious to understand whether the C9 is capable of frame interpolation up to 120Hz and supports (50%) BFI with 120Hz framerate (meaning 240Hz Effective Framerate)...


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