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Panasonic will not support eARC because their outdated processor doesn't support it ... They will support ALLM and that's all. Or have I missed some new announcement?
I was told that by a retailer that the current 2018 Panasonic's support eARC. Based on my brief research, however, I believe he is mistaken as I wasn't able to find a single source to corroborate it.
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Panasonic 2019 oleds autocal feature is good, the tv acts as a pattern generator, dont need an external generator

Do the current lg and sony oleds still need an external pattern generator?
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Panasonic 2019 oleds autocal feature is good, the tv acts as a pattern generator, dont need an external generator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y_Cl-xVLLg

Do the current lg and sony oleds still need an external pattern generator?
Not sure about the Sony as it has not been officially released but the C9 has internal test patterns. That's great news that Panny is adding internal patterns.
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Though panasonic is the oled that least needs a calibration imo. The panasonic engineers already do the hard work for you and fine tune it very well, their professional 1 preset is already damn near color accurate and produces the lowest dE's. lg oleds are much more innacurate OOTB, which is why calibrating a lg oled can result in a significant improvement. However, that being said, it's good that panasonic is including this, if someone wants to check the presets' accuracy or even calibrate, it's good to have and saves money buying an expensive pattern generator. the 2017 and '18 panasonic oleds did not support this, IIRC.
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I was told that by a retailer that the current 2018 Panasonic's support eARC. Based on my brief research, however, I believe he is mistaken as I wasn't able to find a single source to corroborate it.
Unlikely. The 2018 models only has 2 full bandwidth HDMI 2.0, like the earlier Sony models. Hope the 2019 models has at least 4 full bandwidth HDMI 2.0 even if it doesn't support eArc.
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Though panasonic is the oled that least needs a calibration imo. The panasonic engineers already do the hard work for you and fine tune it very well, their professional 1 preset is already damn near color accurate and produces the lowest dE's. lg oleds are much more innacurate OOTB, which is why calibrating a lg oled can result in a significant improvement. However, that being said, it's good that panasonic is including this, if someone wants to check the presets' accuracy or even calibrate, it's good to have and saves money buying an expensive pattern generator. the 2017 and '18 panasonic oleds did not support this, IIRC.
Yes colors are quite saturated on the LG. Decent calibrator is not available everywhere. Sony and Panasonic requires less tweaking in their settings as the colors are very good out of box, though Sony's default is standard.
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Just a little intro to the GZ2000. They actually have it set up in their store but won't be available to buy until July.





(back of the tv at 04:00ish. If you thought the A9G was ugly, have a look at this one )
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^The picture quality on the pana. gz2000 looks great, unless the camera is playing some tricks, this is the brightest looking oled i've seen, that custom panel at work and pana's less aggressive abl? i mean the whites in that video look genuinely brighter than a sony a9f/a9g and also brighter than a lg c9 or c8. Look at the sun at around 5:07, that looks brighter than most midrange lcd tv's out there currently , and we have lcd fanboys who say that oleds are not bright enough
Problem is the pana gz2000 will be a late launch in my country, im being told early september and it's going to be the most expensive oled here for the 55 and 65 screen sizes, this will launch a little higher than a sony a9g and much higher than a lg c9. the other GZ models will launch a little earlier and will be cheaper but those are not worth it as they dont have the custom panel. I doubt i could wait that long for the gz2000 to arrive but regardless a great looking tv.

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Could someone ask vincent teoh to host his shootout after the gz2000 has launched, i want this tv pitted right next to a sony a9g, lg c9 and samsung q90r, would be great to compare.
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(back of the tv at 04:00ish. If you thought the A9G was ugly, have a look at this one )
The GZ2000 has an ugly back on purpose - upfiring atmos speakers. The A9G ugly back is Sony cheapening on us.
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I already have a spot at home for GZ2000. It will be a very late release at my location.....

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Comparison video between E9 and Q90:


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The GZ2000 has an ugly back on purpose - upfiring atmos speakers. The A9G ugly back is Sony cheapening on us.
The re-aranged backside of the A9G is for wall mounting at half the distance of the A9F (ergo: purpose). The GZ2000 looks like a fat A8F (and it has it's subwoofers where the GZ2000 has the Atmos speaker(s)).

https://i.rtings.com/images/reviews/...back-large.jpg



'Someone' commented here earlier about how the (edit)A9G wouldn't fit in his interior because it would look so cheap. In that case, is the point I was making, a(ny) Panasonic OLED should be ruled out as well. Each and every one of them looks cheap, for design get a Loewe OLED (and the new E9 isn't half bad looking).
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The re-aranged backside of the A9G is for wall mounting at half the distance of the A9F. The GZ2000 looks like a fat A8F (and it has it's subwoofers where the GZ2000 has the Atmos speaker(s)).


https://i.rtings.com/images/reviews/...back-large.jpg




'Someone' commented here earlier about how the A9F wouldn't fit in his interior because it would look so cheap. In that case, is the point I was making, a(ny) Panasonic OLED should be ruled out as well. Each and every one of them looks cheap, for design get a Loewe OLED (and the new E9 isn't half bad looking).
I don’t care at all on the back of this tv. It will probably be king of the tv this year. A9F back is not cheap looking at all. I think people mixed up the cheap plastic A9G with the premium glass back A9F.
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Comparison video between E9 and Q90:

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That E9 looks nice in comparison.

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The re-aranged backside of the A9G is for wall mounting at half the distance of the A9F. The GZ2000 looks like a fat A8F (and it has it's subwoofers where the GZ2000 has the Atmos speaker(s)).


https://i.rtings.com/images/reviews/...back-large.jpg




'Someone' commented here earlier about how the A9F wouldn't fit in his interior because it would look so cheap. In that case, is the point I was making, a(ny) Panasonic OLED should be ruled out as well. Each and every one of them looks cheap, for design get a Loewe OLED (and the new E9 isn't half bad looking).
Could care less also what the back looks like, all my tvs get wall mounted and the back is never seen.

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As comparison with other OLED based on exterior design alone - IMO the E9 is the most beautiful OLED of 2019.

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That E9 looks nice in comparison.



Could care less also what the back looks like, all my tvs get wall mounted and the back is never seen.
Hey, I see that you have an FZ. That’s a great tv. Waiting for the GZ2000 myself. Finally Panasonic is coming with DV, yaaayyy!
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The re-aranged backside of the A9G is for wall mounting at half the distance of the A9F. The GZ2000 looks like a fat A8F (and it has it's subwoofers where the GZ2000 has the Atmos speaker(s)).

'Someone' commented here earlier about how the A9F wouldn't fit in his interior because it would look so cheap. In that case, is the point I was making, a(ny) Panasonic OLED should be ruled out as well. Each and every one of them looks cheap, for design get a Loewe OLED (and the new E9 isn't half bad looking).
I was commenting about a9g's looks relative to the a9f, not panasonic. both a9g and a9f have the master series designation from sony right? but clearly the materials used on the a9g dont look as high end as the a9f despite the master label.They have to cut costs somewhere when they are aiming for a lower price point at launch for the a9g compared to what a9f launched for. The cheaper looking plastic on the back , one less actuator seem to be some of the cost cutting measures on a9g.

As for panasonic and gz2000, i think its backside looks just alright. panasonic hasn't been about great looks/physical design with their oleds, many of their plasma tv designs werent eye pleasing either.
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Hey, I see that you have an FZ. That’s a great tv. Waiting for the GZ2000 myself. Finally Panasonic is coming with DV, yaaayyy!
uhh....in the lg owners thread, i saw you post you said you were waiting for a E9, you already have a a9f, panasonic is also on your list? how many oleds are you planning to buy?

for me the panasonic gz2000 will be a september launch according to the local dealer and will be the most expensive oled among the 55 and 65 models from all brands (sony is coming cheaper this year and their a9f will drop as well). So such a long wait and high price for the gz2000 makes me think i should just choose from a a9f or a9g in the next month or two and be done with it. even if the gz2000 is little better (higher peak brighness using the custom panel and color accuracy will be its advantages), it wont be a big step up from sony's flagship a9 models, and i think on motion, upscaling and gradient handling sony might still retain some advantage.
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uhh....in the lg owners thread, i saw you post you said you were waiting for a E9, you already have a a9f, panasonic is also on your list? how many oleds are you planning to buy?

for me the panasonic gz2000 will be a september launch according to the local dealer and will be the most expensive oled among the 55 and 65 models from all brands (sony is coming cheaper this year and their a9f will drop as well). So such a long wait and high price for the gz2000 makes me think i should just choose from a a9f or a9g in the next month or two and be done with it. even if the gz2000 is little better (higher peak brighness using the custom panel and color accuracy will be its advantages), it wont be a big step up from sony's flagship a9 models, and i think on motion, upscaling and gradient handling sony might still retain some advantage.
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I don’t care at all on the back of this tv. It will probably be king of the tv this year. A9F back is not cheap looking at all. I think people mixed up the cheap plastic A9G with the premium glass back A9F.
Meant to say the A9G there yes (royal pita to keep thinking of US/international naming vs European: AG9 pronounces a lot easier than A9G, A9F, etc )


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I was commenting about a9g's looks relative to the a9f, not panasonic. both a9g and a9f have the master series designation from sony right? but clearly the materials used on the a9g dont look as high end as the a9f despite the master label.They have to cut costs somewhere when they are aiming for a lower price point at launch for the a9g compared to what a9f launched for. The cheaper looking plastic on the back , one less actuator seem to be some of the cost cutting measures on a9g.

As for panasonic and gz2000, i think its backside looks just alright. panasonic hasn't been about great looks/physical design with their oleds, many of their plasma tv designs werent eye pleasing either.

From what I recall it sounded more like a rant about the A9G on it's own. Plastic from Malaysia or something, based on the pictures (when it simply shares a design style with the Z9G though more pronounced on the latter), but when it comes to Panasonic it doesn't matter because they were never about design?
Criticism and mockery about how the A1E and A9F stick out from the wall when wall mounted (by the critics of course) so now they've come up with this which will only stick out 5cm with their own wall mount (5-6 kg weight difference as well); the GZ2000 is practically as fat as the A1E/A9F only across the whole of the back.
The A8F looks pretty cheap in the pictures but looks pretty sleak with it's slim design irl. Should be the same for the A9G on it's stand and anywhere close to a wall where you're not staring at the back half of the time. Seems to me you have two options right now: A9F for looks and A9G for wall mounting, there really is no point in waiting for the A9G over the A9F, only the new remote perhaps.

But everyone has different taste, some didn't like the LG G series (which I still think looked great), some liked the E8 (which I think is hideous), etc.
Master Series is about picture quality, not looks (there were complaints about the AF9 being/looking cheap compared to the A1E already)



Maybe they should have 'designed' a cover for the back again and instantly transform it into a premium look. I mean that is the only difference in the plastic quality vs an A9F: it's visible. The A9F bezel apart from the colour doesn't look any different from the one on the A8F. A9G bezel seems to look more like the A1E again with a more brushed look ...

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If people wall mount like I do, who cares what the A9G looks like in the back compared to the A9F. As long as it performs as well or better, sounds is still solid and front looks good like the A9F, that is a win for me, plus any incremental updates they added.
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I really wish Panasonic would reenter the US market. It would be nice to have multiple manufacturers that provide accurate pictures OOB and strong image processing.
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I really wish Panasonic would reenter the US market. It would be nice to have multiple manufacturers that provide accurate pictures OOB and strong image processing.
That seems like a financial decision by panasonic, didnt they quit u.s. after their last plasma's? they suffered major losses in america towards the last few years of their tv business there. and now, owing to all the tougher competition in the u.s. market, they think they wouldn't even be able to sell even half as many oleds as lg to recoup losses and make some money. The decision is made by their shareholders in japan, not what you wish to happen, and presently they dont seem to think it is worth it.
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Back to a9g, i dont wall mount tv's, i run a tv and projector in the same room, i need the wall space for a retractable projection screen to open up. i put the tv on the stand, and the backside of the a9g does not look in line with master series. besides the silver stand might put up some reflections in a pitch black room, the stand-less a9f/a1e designs avoid this potential problem.

im leaning more toward a9f than a9g atm, unless a review comes up and mentions a picture improvement or a picture related measurement that is higher on the a9g compared to a9f. i think we'll be waiting until late may for reviews on the g model.
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The decision is made by their shareholders in japan, not what you wish to happen...

Thanks, I didn't understand how public corporations operated until your tutorial. I believed that Panasonic would reenter the US market simply based on one of my AVSForum posts.


I assume that Panasonic has performed the analysis to show that there is not a strong business case to reenter the US. However, the OLED situation is significantly different from that of plasma, as Panasonic owned the panel manufacturing facilities, which led to massive losses as LCDs undercut plasma prices. A low-volume reentry into the US market may be possible without massive risk, though likely fruitless if Panasonic has to price higher than the Sony Master Series.

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Thanks, I didn't understand how public corporations operated until your tutorial. I believed that Panasonic would reenter the US market simply based on one of my AVSForum posts.


I assume that Panasonic has performed the analysis to show that there is not a strong business case to reenter the US. However, the OLED situation is significantly different from that of plasma, as Panasonic owned the panel manufacturing facilities, which led to massive losses as LCDs undercut plasma prices. A low-volume reentry into the US market may be possible without massive risk, though likely fruitless if Panasonic has to price higher than the Sony Master Series.
You made a i wish..post which gave general reasoning about the market having more competition and people having more choices. Doesn't that apply to just about any territory (more choices = better?) But the people's perspective doesn't matter here , to the company only the financial perpective and profatibility matters and that is how they look at the situation.

In asia, there isn't vizio available, it's always been a north america only brand, don't have loewe which is a europe only brand and philips oleds are also not available though philips was active here in the 1080p lcd days. i wish philips also sold their oleds here but again it does not matter because philips doesnt think it is worthwhile.

PS- if you are actually eager about the gz2000, why vainly hope that they reenter some day, you also have the option of importing the tv from a 120v territory , so you dont have to use a voltage converter. i also import stuff a lot of the time, but it's not always due to non availibility, sometimes the price here is so enormous that importing proves a little cheaper. i had my optoma projector imported from the uk, my 4k blu player was imported from the u.s. Oleds are thin and have less weight than falds, im sure it can be done through a normal carrier like fedex or dhl, if you import from canada your shipping costs would be lowest due to country proximity.
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Meant to say the A9G there yes (royal pita to keep thinking of US/international naming vs European: AG9 pronounces a lot easier than A9G, A9F, etc )





From what I recall it sounded more like a rant about the A9G on it's own. Plastic from Malaysia or something, based on the pictures (when it simply shares a design style with the Z9G though more pronounced on the latter), but when it comes to Panasonic it doesn't matter because they were never about design?
Criticism and mockery about how the A1E and A9F stick out from the wall when wall mounted (by the critics of course) so now they've come up with this which will only stick out 5cm with their own wall mount (5-6 kg weight difference as well); the GZ2000 is practically as fat as the A1E/A9F only across the whole of the back.
The A8F looks pretty cheap in the pictures but looks pretty sleak with it's slim design irl. Should be the same for the A9G on it's stand and anywhere close to a wall where you're not staring at the back half of the time. Seems to me you have two options right now: A9F for looks and A9G for wall mounting, there really is no point in waiting for the A9G over the A9F, only the new remote perhaps.

But everyone has different taste, some didn't like the LG G series (which I still think looked great), some liked the E8 (which I think is hideous), etc.
Master Series is about picture quality, not looks (there were complaints about the AF9 being/looking cheap compared to the A1E already)



Maybe they should have 'designed' a cover for the back again and instantly transform it into a premium look. I mean that is the only difference in the plastic quality vs an A9F: it's visible. The A9F bezel apart from the colour doesn't look any different from the one on the A8F. A9G bezel seems to look more like the A1E again with a more brushed look ...

I've had both the A8F and A9F. The bezels are not the same. A9G bezel looks identical to to A9F, both brushed black finish. I think the A1E was basically the same from what I remember.

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You made a i wish..post which gave general reasoning about the market having more competition and people having more choices. Doesn't that apply to just about any territory (more choices = better?) But the people's perspective doesn't matter here , to the company only the financial perpective and profatibility matters and that is how they look at the situation.

In asia, there isn't vizio available, it's always been a north america only brand, don't have loewe which is a europe only brand and philips oleds are also not available though philips was active here in the 1080p lcd days. i wish philips also sold their oleds here but again it does not matter because philips doesnt think it is worthwhile.

PS- if you are actually eager about the gz2000, why vainly hope that they reenter some day, you also have the option of importing the tv from a 120v territory , so you dont have to use a voltage converter. i also import stuff a lot of the time, but it's not always due to non availibility, sometimes the price here is so enormous that importing proves a little cheaper. i had my optoma projector imported from the uk, my 4k blu player was imported from the u.s. Oleds are thin and have less weight than falds, im sure it can be done through a normal carrier like fedex or dhl, if you import from canada your shipping costs would be lowest due to country proximity.

In some aspects, my Panasonic plasma still has the best picture I have seen (better than LCD and OLED), so I have an affinity for Panasonic displays. Unfortunately, importing from Canada will forfeit the warranty and the difference in PQ between the GZ2000 and the A9G probably won't be enough to justify the additional cost.
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I've been a bit obsessed about Panasonic OLEDs for the last year; partly because of the reviews and partly because of the fact that they don't sell them here.

Given the lack of warranty support in the states, I will go with the A9G, but try coupling it with Panasoinc's U8820, so I can at least get Panasonics color rendering fed into the Sony.

i was a bit surprised to see they put their vaunted HCX chip into a BluRay player
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