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post #181 of 198 Old 06-24-2019, 10:42 AM
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Day and night to an enthusiast eye. 30% brightness increase in combination with Panasonic's updated dynamic tone mapping, throw in Panasonic's color processing and rendition, the elimination of blue spectral light from the WLED emission, and I bet the differences are pretty noticeable to the trained eye.

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Day and night to an enthusiast eye. 30% brightness increase in combination with Panasonic's updated dynamic tone mapping, throw in Panasonic's color processing and rendition, the elimination of blue spectral light from the WLED emission, and I bet the differences are pretty noticeable to the trained eye.
But night and day it cannot be, vincent teoh had a hands on with the gz2000 and he didnt make a claim like that either, he also reported the gz2000's peak brightness is 700-800 nits like other oleds, which the av forums guy is also exaggeating about. There will be no 1000+ nit peak brightness, APL is not the same as peak brightness.
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But night and day it cannot be, vincent teoh had a hands on with the gz2000 and he didnt make a claim like that either, he also reported the gz2000's peak brightness is 700-800 nits like other oleds, which the av forums guy is also exaggeating about. There will be no 1000+ nit peak brightness, APL is not the same as peak brightness.
no this is not true. Vincent has not measured the gz2000 yet.

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no this is not true. Vincent has not measured the gz2000 yet.
He did some measurement on the GZ2000. Around 800nits, though I'm hoping he's wrong.

Check out the Dolby Pulsar video posted by Vincent.

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A couple more musings from yesterday's Panasonic briefing at Dolby's Soho facility. It's super-impressive how close the Panasonic GZ2000 OLED (larger display on your right) with only 800 nits of peak brightness and using Dolby Vision mapping got to the 4000-nit Dolby Pulsar (left), albeit on specially crafted content with overall low-ish APL. Without pausing the clip, the only significant difference I saw was in the explosion flames where the OLED clipped more with paler colour volume.
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Does Sony have the same image retention/burn in features as the LG (static logo fade etc)?
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But night and day it cannot be, vincent teoh had a hands on with the gz2000 and he didnt make a claim like that either, he also reported the gz2000's peak brightness is 700-800 nits like other oleds, which the av forums guy is also exaggeating about. There will be no 1000+ nit peak brightness, APL is not the same as peak brightness.
"av forums guy"? The poster in the GZ2000 thread is the reviewer for AVCesar, from what I gathered in the past, the most respected review site in France. He also mentioned this was after turning on HDR Brightness Enhancer ...
The GZ1000 already does >850 nits according to the German HDTV Magazine aka Digitalfernsehen on Youtube. Also seems to be with the enhancer on ...

I guess this hasn't been posted here yet: some kind of special image retention repellant on the GZ2000 versus the GZ1000 as mentioned in the comments on the left (but also 55 vs 65").

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Do Sony OLED's look substantially better than LG out of the box?

I saw this year's HDTVTest/Vincent Teoh's blind shootout in which the LG won.

However, this weekend for the first time (with the same source) I saw the E9/C9 along side the A9G and A8G and the Sony looked substantially better. The details were much more apparent as a result of sharpness, more natural colors and more shadow detail across a range of the preset settings in both. The motion was also a bit better.

I prefer the LG for the lower deal prices, better stand and substantially better UI, but I am second guessing this now. Is it just that the Sony's are better calibrated out of the box?
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Did u see the same demo on lg and Sony? Demo from Sony is better quality and more pleasing. I also when watching them I thing the Sony is better, but if u put the same demos on both TV and tweaks lg a little... Well, it's OLED after all

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The answer is not so clear cut. The Sony A9G beat the LG C9 in the US shoot-out, whereas the LG beat the Sony in the EU shoot-out. However, in both shoot-outs, they were calibrated, not just out-of-the-box. They each have their own strengths and weaknesses. LG is better for gaming, and also reportedly has more "pop" with 4k material. But the Sony has better upscaling of non-4k material and better motion handling. It just comes down to which is the better fit for how you will use it. I don't do any gaming, and most of my viewing is non-4K (BluRay discs, DVDs, TV broadcasts, and Netflix movie streaming, most of which are not 4k), so the Sony made more sense for me. But to be honest, they are both excellent displays and you really can't go wrong with either.

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how can either of them be better? LG used sony chipset and sony use LG OLED panel so basically they are the same set except LG includes internal Dolby Digtial decoding were the Sony does not. Dolby Digtial for sony has to be done at the source


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how can either of them be better? LG used sony chipset and sony use LG OLED panel so basically they are the same set except LG includes internal Dolby Digtial decoding were the Sony does not. Dolby Digtial for sony has to be done at the source


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how can either of them be better? LG used sony chipset and sony use LG OLED panel so basically they are the same set except LG includes internal Dolby Digtial decoding were the Sony does not.
Yes, LG supplies the panels for both. But the processors used in LG and Sony OLEDs are different, leading to different PQ. LGs are slightly brighter, and as I wrote above, Sony has better upscaling and motion handling, thanks to their processor. In prior years, the differences were greater, but LG did a great job this year narrowing the gap. But they are definitely not the same set.
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how can either of them be better? LG used sony chipset and sony use LG OLED panel so basically they are the same set except LG includes internal Dolby Digtial decoding were the Sony does not. Dolby Digtial for sony has to be done at the source
They all use LG OLED panels. Only Sony uses Sony chips. LG uses LG chips. Different chips, different software, different algorithms. Same panels.
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I saw this year's HDTVTest/Vincent Teoh's blind shootout in which the LG won.

However, this weekend for the first time (with the same source) I saw the E9/C9 along side the A9G and A8G and the Sony looked substantially better. The details were much more apparent as a result of sharpness, more natural colors and more shadow detail across a range of the preset settings in both. The motion was also a bit better.

I prefer the LG for the lower deal prices, better stand and substantially better UI, but I am second guessing this now. Is it just that the Sony's are better calibrated out of the box?
They have better image processing (both the A9G and A8G) and motion handling by default. They also have a "reality creation" setting which further improves upscaling/resolution and visibly improves definition on even 4K material. This setting is probably enabled on demo units. AFAIK, no other TV maker has an equivalent function.

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Is it just that the Sony's are better calibrated out of the box?
According to rtings the LG C9 is more accurate out of the box, and they are almost tied post-cal but LG inches it out by .1 points. Take it for what you will. I chose the LG because it's cheaper, has more nits in SDR and especially HDR content, and the low input lag is sensational for gaming. I bought the C9 for use in my dedicated gaming room. Have a B7 in our living room for movies and tv shows. Having just sold my Sony X900E I also can't stand the remote or OS. Could be the worst combo I've ever used.
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According to rtings the LG C9 is more accurate out of the box, and they are almost tied post-cal but LG inches it out by .1 points. Take it for what you will. I chose the LG because it's cheaper, has more nits in SDR and especially HDR content, and the low input lag is sensational for gaming. I bought the C9 for use in my dedicated gaming room. Have a B7 in our living room for movies and tv shows. Having just sold my Sony X900E I also can't stand the remote or OS. Could be the worst combo I've ever used.
Remote that I have with A9F is horrible. When I'm with my E9, the magic remote is more often in my hands and used frequently.

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Remote that I have with A9F is horrible. When I'm with my E9, the magic remote is more often in my hands and used frequently.
But the A9G remote is excellent (more relevant for the 2019 Sony vs. LG discussion).

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