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Will I be glad I kept my 2016 C6 3D OLED in 2020?

James Cameron is releasing Avatar 2 in 2020. Cameron's statement, Avatar 2 Will Revolutionize 3D,this may make some people wish they had that old 3D TV.

Avatar 2 Will Revolutionize 3D Claims James Cameron

https://movieweb.com/avatar-2-3d-tec...james-cameron/

Now just think of a 88 inch 8K 3D LG OLED, maybe a special Avatar 2, 3D run?

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LG's C6 is probably the best and last 3D OLED TV made. Take good care of it. I plan on keeping mine till it no longer works.
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Me too 6athome,

but not because of Avatar 2, but because my E6 plays so well anything i throw at it. I have no burn in or retention. Never had a technical problem from it. When i view HDR, DV or even a well made 1080 source, it still looks spectacular as the first time i unboxed her 3+ years ago.

I almost sold her becouse i thought about getting a 77" C8, but with all of the power supply hiss complaints, i decided not too. It's hard with the pricing of 77'' at $4K now, even thought about putting the E6 in one of the spare bedrooms and still getting a C8 77", but i have too many 3D disk and mkv files i enjoy, even though some of those 3D movies are a bit thin in story, but some have a real knockout 3D effects.

To think my E6 is still gong strong, but the icing on the cake is i got Amazon to price match Office Depot pricing, that resulted in a $1000+ reduction, making my final price $2500.

2016 "on" my friend, the James Cameron new release is just more icing on the cake!

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James Cameron is releasing Avatar 2 in 2020. Cameron's statement, Avatar 2 Will Revolutionize 3D,this may make some people wish they had that old 3D TV.

Avatar 2 Will Revolutionize 3D Claims James Cameron

https://movieweb.com/avatar-2-3d-tec...james-cameron/

Now just think of a 88 inch 8K 3D LG OLED, maybe a special Avatar 2, 3D run?
Yea...wish I had a working crystal ball. If a company comes out with 3D tv's again...especially a 8k 3D Oled...our current 3D Oled treasures will be...just more old tv's. If sold now they command top dollar. But if no one comes out with one they will continue to hold their value, maybe even become more valuable. So money/investment wise, who knows. But me self, I love 3D so it's not really about that.

As far as Cameron's hope of revolutionizing 3D with Avatar 2...I don't think things played out the way he was hoping. Glasses-free 3D seems to have insurmountable issues for now . And I question whether many theaters will be willing to put out the money required for 8K 3D images. Would be stunning for sure...like being there I reckon. But my expectations at this point are for a movie of excellent 3D, but nothing really ground breaking.

I bought a used 2015 LED/LCD LG 65UF8500 to use for now (loving the carefree viewing it provides)...the C6 has been unplugged for many months. Saving it for down the road, the best for last.
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Maybe a no-glasses 3D OLED or Micro LED TV in 2020/2021? Could happen since Avatar is such a mammoth franchise....

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James Cameron is releasing Avatar 2 in 2020. Cameron's statement, Avatar 2 Will Revolutionize 3D,this may make some people wish they had that old 3D TV.

Avatar 2 Will Revolutionize 3D Claims James Cameron

https://movieweb.com/avatar-2-3d-tec...james-cameron/
That's what he said about Avatar 1.

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James Cameron is releasing Avatar 2 in 2020. Cameron's statement, Avatar 2 Will Revolutionize 3D,this may make some people wish they had that old 3D TV.

Avatar 2 Will Revolutionize 3D Claims James Cameron

https://movieweb.com/avatar-2-3d-tec...james-cameron/

Now just think of a 88 inch 8K 3D LG OLED, maybe a special Avatar 2, 3D run?
It doesn't matter what Cameron or Avatar does. Relatively speaking, no one cares about 3D.

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I bought 2 65" E6 OLED TVs back in 2016 because I wanted a 3D insurance policy. I'm now buying up a lot of used 3D discs .

I love 3D but I understand why others don't. It's because they don't own a 3D Oled! IMO, when done right 3D blows 4K HDR away.

Cameron seems to be taking the Avatar series 3D forward one step at a time. If he can get bright cross-talk-free 3D on the screen then that's a big first step. More power to him.

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That's what he said about Avatar 1.
And Cameron did revolutionize 3D with Avatar 1. Which is why it is a credible boast he could revolutionize 3D again with Avatar 2.

Whether there will be many 3D panels to appreciate it in the home is another matter. I'm hoping my 2015 OLED hangs in there. So far so good.

(weird thing I never get about 3D haters is, a panel capable of 3D does just fine with 2D. Why celebrate loss of functionality?)
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Maybe a no-glasses 3D OLED or Micro LED TV in 2020/2021? Could happen since Avatar is such a mammoth franchise....
'Glasses-free 3D' - autostereoscopy - requires resolution headroom. In other words, it's an 8K+ technology. The image itself will be much less than 8K.

Besides being cost-prohibitive, micro-LED is home sizes isn't expected above 2K, so it's not a viable 3D technology. As for OLED, there's more opportunity there.

That said, it's been a long 5 years since a home-usable prototype of Ultra-D was tested by @imagic : https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...xperience.html
4 years since Archer tested another prototype: https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc.../#2eb1cf733280

And we've seen nothing even announced for the consumer market.
I don't think the industry is necessarily above saying, "3D is extra cost. Let's pretend it never happened."
With VR headsets available and well-hyped, it's possible that new 3D releases, what few there are of them, will target that instead. Avatar isn't that big compared to say the MCU.
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And Cameron did revolutionize 3D with Avatar 1. Which is why it is a credible boast he could revolutionize 3D again with Avatar 2.

Whether there will be many 3D panels to appreciate it in the home is another matter. I'm hoping my 2015 OLED hangs in there. So far so good.

(weird thing I never get about 3D haters is, a panel capable of 3D does just fine with 2D. Why celebrate loss of functionality?)
3D support reduced the brightness of the TV. Given the current desire for HDR and peak brightness, 3D got in the way of that. The 3D support also added to cost, which again is not desirable for the profit margins. With most people apparently not that in to 3D, dropping it in favor of increased brightness and better HDR and lower cost just makes sense. Unfortunate for those that like 3D.
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It doesn't matter what Cameron or Avatar does. Relatively speaking, no one cares about 3D.
You're absolutely right. Unfortunately most people never got to see 3D on a set like the C6. Prior efforts with 1080P sets and active glasses had lots of problems that people tired of. Dim pictures with lots of crosstalk. Avatar 2 could be what brings people back to the cinema to see 3D again. It may also be a one trick pony that does nothing to boost future 3D production.

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You're absolutely right. Unfortunately most people never got to see 3D on a set like the C6. Prior efforts with 1080P sets and active glasses had lots of problems that people tired of. Dim pictures with lots of crosstalk. Avatar 2 could be what brings people back to the cinema to see 3D again. It may also be a one trick pony that does nothing to boost future 3D production.
I agree, i have no cross talk or dimness using the strain-free passive glasses on the beautiful OLED set. I didn't love 3D until seeing Cameron's artful use of it to tell his story and portray the world of the story with depth in a way that doesn't fully translate to 2D, rather than as a gimmick as most prior movies had made of 3D.

I didn't like 3D in home displays using active glasses on low resolution 1080p sets that reduced brightness and we're prone to eye strain.

It was the passive, 4k OLED sets that were the first high quality, full HD and bright implementation of 3D that allowed me to appreciate 3D. Unfortunately, the OLED panels were too late to undo the damage to the reputation poor 3D implementations had done to public appeal.

I know from experience, people who believe they don't like 3D, then see a film like Avatar or Hugo or one of the popular Marvel films on a 4K OLED, like me become converts and want to see more.

Which is why, it may take time, and maybe Avatar 2 can do it or maybe it will be too soon, I believe time will come when a quality 3D display that does not impact HDR intensity will be popular enough to bring 3D back to home panels. I know I am not buying a set until my OLED dies or 3D returns. Meanwhile, those of us who are lucky enough to have working OLED panels from 2015 and 2016 can enjoy HDR 4K and full HD comfortably passive 3D that is more clear and bright than even the 3D I see in a IMAX movie theater.

BTW, I don't think the arguments that 3D harms the 2D picture are valid. OLED as a technology took a few years overall to gain the lumen range for satisfying HDR, that wasn't due to 3D capability. Improved HDR capability will help 3D as well. The minimal added production cost may be a valid argument, but then, what about the cost of those unused connections on the back of the set, ARC, all those apps I don't use because I prefer Roku, all those awful picture modes that are only ever justified when trying to sell the panel in a bright store room, and other features of which are, I'd think, less often used than 3D. I for one don't use a flexible screen to wrap around curves in a wall. 3D is more useful to me than a screen that bends and twists.
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Keeping a C6

There are a number of movies in 3D still being produced. I have a C6 and looking to get the 3D version of HTTYD, Hidden World.
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I agree, i have no cross talk or dimness using the strain-free passive glasses on the beautiful OLED set. I didn't love 3D until seeing Cameron's artful use of it to tell his story and portray the world of the story with depth in a way that doesn't fully translate to 2D, rather than as a gimmick as most prior movies had made of 3D.

I didn't like 3D in home displays using active glasses on low resolution 1080p sets that reduced brightness and we're prone to eye strain.

It was the passive, 4k OLED sets that were the first high quality, full HD and bright implementation of 3D that allowed me to appreciate 3D. Unfortunately, the OLED panels were too late to undo the damage to the reputation poor 3D implementations had done to public appeal.

I know from experience, people who believe they don't like 3D, then see a film like Avatar or Hugo or one of the popular Marvel films on a 4K OLED, like me become converts and want to see more.

Which is why, it may take time, and maybe Avatar 2 can do it or maybe it will be too soon, I believe time will come when a quality 3D display that does not impact HDR intensity will be popular enough to bring 3D back to home panels. I know I am not buying a set until my OLED dies or 3D returns. Meanwhile, those of us who are lucky enough to have working OLED panels from 2015 and 2016 can enjoy HDR 4K and full HD comfortably passive 3D that is more clear and bright than even the 3D I see in a IMAX movie theater.

BTW, I don't think the arguments that 3D harms the 2D picture are valid. OLED as a technology took a few years overall to gain the lumen range for satisfying HDR, that wasn't due to 3D capability. Improved HDR capability will help 3D as well. The minimal added production cost may be a valid argument, but then, what about the cost of those unused connections on the back of the set, ARC, all those apps I don't use because I prefer Roku, all those awful picture modes that are only ever justified when trying to sell the panel in a bright store room, and other features of which are, I'd think, less often used than 3D. I for one don't use a flexible screen to wrap around curves in a wall. 3D is more useful to me than a screen that bends and twists.
The filter required to make 3D work does cut some of the brightness of the screen, so it does hurt 2D brightness because you can't make the filter not exist when it isn't in use. There does not seem to be any 3D technology that doesn't rely on some kind of polarization which means you are cutting some of the light.

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Me too 6athome,

but not because of Avatar 2, but because my E6 plays so well anything i throw at it. I have no burn in or retention. Never had a technical problem from it. When i view HDR, DV or even a well made 1080 source, it still looks spectacular as the first time i unboxed her 3+ years ago.

I almost sold her becouse i thought about getting a 77" C8, but with all of the power supply hiss complaints, i decided not too. It's hard with the pricing of 77'' at $4K now, even thought about putting the E6 in one of the spare bedrooms and still getting a C8 77", but i have too many 3D disk and mkv files i enjoy, even though some of those 3D movies are a bit thin in story, but some have a real knockout 3D effects.

To think my E6 is still gong strong, but the icing on the cake is i got Amazon to price match Office Depot pricing, that resulted in a $1000+ reduction, making my final price $2500.

2016 "on" my friend, the James Cameron new release is just more icing on the cake!

A happy E6 owner
Yep, best TV ever. Mines a gem. Still amazes me two years later and even my mighty KURO wasn’t still causing me oogle over its picture two years later. Oh and the reference quality 3D just makes it better.

I also used the Office Depot price match trick back in December 2016 when I bought mine. Best Buy was the victim and the manager was PISSED that he had to do it. TV sticker price was $4,000 on sale at the time. I paid $3,000 with the price match. He told me NOT to send my friends or relatives to the store to buy more, lol.
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Yep, best TV ever. Mines a gem. Still amazes me two years later and even my mighty KURO wasn’t still causing me oogle over its picture two years later. Oh and the reference quality 3D just makes it better.

I also used the Office Depot price match trick back in December 2016 when I bought mine. Best Buy was the victim and the manager was PISSED that he had to do it. TV sticker price was $4,000 on sale at the time. I paid $3,000 with the price match. He told me NOT to send my friends or relatives to the store to buy more, lol.
I have a 55" E6 with no burn-in at all. Paid $1399 back in the day with credit card price-matching. I can't imagine selling it for any price, even to get a brand new 77" OLED.
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I have a 55" E6 with no burn-in at all. Paid $1399 back in the day with credit card price-matching. I can't imagine selling it for any price, even to get a brand new 77" OLED.

Yep - this will be my main TV for a looong time. Sure, bigger would be better but damn, the PQ is sick and the 3D, while not my main thing is so damned good that it adds yet another thing to this TV that makes me want to keep it. It aint going anywhere until it dies or I end up with tons of extra money.
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