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Sony's 2019 OLED Prices Announced

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...ty-8k-4k-oled/

The 98" is amazingly expensive.
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was that author drunk while writing that article, his article headline incorrectly reads 98 inch 8k oled, the 98" z9g tv from sony is a 8k lcd. no 8k oled from sony this year.
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I knew the pricing for the A9F would be the same as the new A9G, it would hurt the market of the current A9F IMO. It is disappointing to see these priced again $1k over the C9 (65"). Really was considering trying the Sony OLED, it maybe worth $300 more than LG, not $1K.

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But right now they are not the same as the A9F. Go to any respected retailer, like Value Electronics, B&H, etc and they are much lower preorder prices than what Sony came out with.

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I knew the pricing for the A9F would be the same as the new A9G, it would hurt the market of the current A9F IMO. It is disappointing to see these priced again $1k over the C9 (65"). Really was considering trying the Sony OLED, it maybe worth $300 more than LG, not $1K.
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I knew the pricing for the A9F would be the same as the new A9G, it would hurt the market of the current A9F IMO. It is disappointing to see these priced again $1k over the C9 (65"). Really was considering trying the Sony OLED, it maybe worth $300 more than LG, not $1K.

It sounds like we are in the same boat. I couldn't decide on the C9 vs A9F after the recent price drop. But now it looks like Sony confirmed pricing on A9G at current A9F prices. Go to Sony homepage and see. I cant post a link cause I don't have the privilege yet to post links
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I knew the pricing for the A9F would be the same as the new A9G, it would hurt the market of the current A9F IMO. It is disappointing to see these priced again $1k over the C9 (65"). Really was considering trying the Sony OLED, it maybe worth $300 more than LG, not $1K.
It’s not priced higher than LG. In fact the 65” is cheaper than E9 and 77” is same as C9.
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It sounds like we are in the same boat. I couldn't decide on the C9 vs A9F after the recent price drop. But now it looks like Sony confirmed pricing on A9G at current A9F prices. Go to Sony homepage and see. I cant post a link cause I don't have the privilege yet to post links

Here it is:
https://www.sony.com/electronics/tel...2-MASTERSERIES


The 55" is listed at $2799 and the 65" at $3799, which is the same as the previously rumored prices. The only reason I can think that Sony announced bogus prices a few days ago is to clear out A9F inventory ASAP.
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It’s not priced higher than LG. In fact the 65” is cheaper than E9 and 77” is same as C9.
Yes I see this now, crazy how many price variations were out there, but if it does not come from the horses mouth so to speak it not true until they say. So very good news, many should be able to justify the smaller price difference between the 2. Wonder if LG will respond with $300 off soon?

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Here it is:
https://www.sony.com/electronics/tel...2-MASTERSERIES


The 55" is listed at $2799 and the 65" at $3799, which is the same as the previously rumored prices. The only reason I can think that Sony announced bogus prices a few days ago is to clear out A9F inventory ASAP.
Yea that could very well be the case, but Sony among some other news across the net had same rumors. Kept me second guessing. Now it is decision time for me to sell the C8 for this, or just be happy with what I have.

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I don't see any reason to sell the 65C8 for such a small incremental upgrade. If you've got too much money, get the 77; otherwise, it makes sense to wait for the next series at least.



The only killer feature seems to be HDMI 2.1, which isn't available in any source yet anyway, and won't be soon.
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Yea that could very well be the case, but Sony among some other news across the net had same rumors. Kept me second guessing. Now it is decision time for me to sell the C8 for this, or just be happy with what I have.
If you're going for the A9G, than maybe it is worth considering. Better colors, motion and shadow details. New, snappy android and superior sound too.
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I don't see any reason to sell the 65C8 for such a small incremental upgrade. If you've got too much money, get the 77; otherwise, it makes sense to wait for the next series at least.



The only killer feature seems to be HDMI 2.1, which isn't available in any source yet anyway, and won't be soon.
Yea and that is what has me second guessing the thought of selling mine. The C8 is great tv. Will the somewhat minor differences with the A9G be worth the price I would need to pay.

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Bargain shoppers might even consider the A8G, given that it’s the cheapest of all 2019 panels as of right now. LG is still chasing the X1 Extreme, so I anticipate that we’ll be seeing a lot more Sony owners compared to previous years.


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I don't see any reason to sell the 65C8 for such a small incremental upgrade. If you've got too much money, get the 77; otherwise, it makes sense to wait for the next series at least.



The only killer feature seems to be HDMI 2.1, which isn't available in any source yet anyway, and won't be soon.
Are you replying on topic, he isnt asking an upgrade from a lg c8 to c9, hes asking about the sony a9g. You said the killer feature seems to be hdmi 2.1, so you had the c9 in mind when replying, sony's 2019 oleds don't have hdmi 2.1.

compared to a lg c8, a9g would look a little better, the a9f to me was a better looking tv with sdr and hdr10 than the c8 (dolby vision looked a little punchier on c8), and the a9g will have comparable picture quality to a9f.
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Yea and that is what has me second guessing the thought of selling mine. The C8 is great tv. Will the somewhat minor differences with the A9G be worth the price I would need to pay.
If the a9f is something to go by, the differences over the c8 are more than 'somewhat minor' imo, people's opinion will vary on this. The a9f did also win the tv shootout last year. But in the end, your call if you want to upgrade. Dont take this like im trying to 'convince' you into a sony, what do i care what someone else buys with their money? Best is, since you already have a c8 and know how it looks, go demo a sony a9g/a9f in a light controlled room, take some of your favorite movies/demos and watch them on the sony and see if the picture quality differences are worth it to you.
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Bargain shoppers might even consider the A8G, given that it’s the cheapest of all 2019 panels as of right now. LG is still chasing the X1 Extreme, so I anticipate that we’ll be seeing a lot more Sony owners compared to previous years.


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Does the A8G still have the extremely underpowered MediaTek SoC that was used on 2016, 2017, and some 2018 TVs? If so, the combination of much smoother Android TV experience, four full bandwidth HDMI ports (A8G only has two), and the rest of the A9Gs advantages would push it over the top for me.
I'm not sure, but I doubt that it will be a deciding factor with your average consumer that will be most likely be interested in the cheapest and newest model OLED available. Sort of how the inferior chipset on the B8 over the C8 didn't seem to bother a large majority of people.
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I'm not sure, but I doubt that it will be a deciding factor with your average consumer that will be most likely be interested in the cheapest and newest model OLED available. Sort of how the inferior chipset on the B8 over the C8 didn't seem to bother a large majority of people.

I have the same MediaTek SoC in my X930E, and while it is still usable and was borderline acceptable in 2017, it is unacceptable in a $3000 TV in 2019. If it does include the older SoC, I think the A9G is actually a better value at only $800 more.
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Does the A8G still have the extremely underpowered MediaTek SoC that was used on 2016, 2017, and some 2018 TVs? If so, the combination of much smoother Android TV experience, four full bandwidth HDMI ports (A8G only has two), and the rest of the A9Gs advantages would push it over the top for me.
Yes it does, but after the Oreo upgrade I don't really find it sluggish anymore. I am sure an A9F/A9G would be more responsive, but probably not enough for me to think it was a big deal. Before Oreo it was quite painful.

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Will the A8G support playback of full 4k blu-ray mkv files that are on the network stored on a NAS?
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Isn't it time for a new mid-year release model or are they not doing that this year?
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They need to get away with that. It is like in golf, where TaylorMade releases a new driver every 6 months. Annoying.

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Yes it does, but after the Oreo upgrade I don't really find it sluggish anymore. I am sure an A9F/A9G would be more responsive, but probably not enough for me to think it was a big deal. Before Oreo it was quite painful.

I am in the same situation with my x930e, and although I think it is now tolerable, its performance would dissuade me from spending $3k+ on a new TV. At closeout prices, the A9F will be roughly the same price as the A8G and will offer quite a few improvements.
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Will the A8G support playback of full 4k blu-ray mkv files that are on the network stored on a NAS?
Not sure, but if it does it will almost certainly be without audio unless you somehow converted the files to have a compatible audio format.

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Not sure, but if it does it will almost certainly be without audio unless you somehow converted the files to have a compatible audio format.

I have a 4 year old Pioneer receiver that can decode DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD. It cannot do Atmos or the DTS equivalent. I've been using this receiver with no problems with my 2013 Panasonic Plasma, but I have no clue how to play back 4k BD source material. I typically rip 1080p Blu-Rays to mkv and keep the DTS HD MA/TrueHD audio track, upload the file to my NAS, get the metadata from Plex Media Server and use an intel NUC running Plex in windows 7 to play it back on my TV. All of this works perfectly fine. As far as I know, Plex doesn't support 10bit 4k files, nor is my current HTPC powerful enough to play it anyway. So are you saying that having Dolby or DTS soundtracks in the mkv file will prevent playback on these TVs?


is my only option to offload the mkv file to a flash drive and play it back that way? If I were to put it on a flash drive, would ARC still work to send the HD audio track to my Pioneer receiver to decode and playback?


Basically what i'm asking is how do I play back a full 4k BD file with all the HDR metadata and Dolby TrueHD/DTS MA HD with my current audio equipment, or is that not yet possible?
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Basically what i'm asking is how do I play back a full 4k BD file with all the HDR metadata and Dolby TrueHD/DTS MA HD with my current audio equipment, or is that not yet possible?
Could you not get a 4k blu ray player with dual hdmi out (like x700/sony), send the audio to receiver, video directly to tv. that will play the videos in 4k hdr and with audio you'll get true hd or master audio (if there is atmos or dtsx, those will be ignored and the receiver will decode the core true hd or master audio stream). if you dont use discs but rips, put those on an external usb drive and connect to the blu ray player's usb port, on the sony x700 the playback of mkv or m2ts files through the usb port works fine.
if you only want to get this working through your intel pc and plex server, then i cant make a suggestion as im unfamiliar with plex.

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Could you not get a 4k blu ray player with dual hdmi out (like x700/sony), send the audio to receiver, video directly to tv. that will play the videos in 4k hdr and with audio you'll get true hd or master audio (if there is atmos or dtsx, those will be ignored and the receiver will decode the core true hd or master audio stream). if you dont use discs but rips, put those on an external usb drive and connect to the blu ray player's usb port, on the sony x700 the playback of mkv or m2ts files through the usb port works fine.
if you only want to get this working through your intel pc and plex server, then i cant make a suggestion as im unfamiliar with plex.

I mean I didn't think of buying another blu-ray player as an option. I was just hoping in the worst case, I could plug a flash drive into the TV itself and playback whatever 4k file I needed to. If that's the only way to do it, then I suppose I can. Do you know anything about the Nvidia Shield? some people are saying that it'll play anything you throw at it, except Dolby Vision. Will the X700 handle Dolby vision on a file that's on a flash drive?
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^You can plug a usb drive to the tv's port, you'll get 4k hdr but you'll lose lossless audio this way as your receiver would only support arc, and arc would only allowing passing lossy audio to your receiver, a true hd stream would play as dolby digital plus (if the receiver supports dolby digital plus), if not it'll play as standard dolby digital.
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I have a 4 year old Pioneer receiver that can decode DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD. It cannot do Atmos or the DTS equivalent. I've been using this receiver with no problems with my 2013 Panasonic Plasma, but I have no clue how to play back 4k BD source material. I typically rip 1080p Blu-Rays to mkv and keep the DTS HD MA/TrueHD audio track, upload the file to my NAS, get the metadata from Plex Media Server and use an intel NUC running Plex in windows 7 to play it back on my TV. All of this works perfectly fine. As far as I know, Plex doesn't support 10bit 4k files, nor is my current HTPC powerful enough to play it anyway. So are you saying that having Dolby or DTS soundtracks in the mkv file will prevent playback on these TVs?

is my only option to offload the mkv file to a flash drive and play it back that way? If I were to put it on a flash drive, would ARC still work to send the HD audio track to my Pioneer receiver to decode and playback?

Basically what i'm asking is how do I play back a full 4k BD file with all the HDR metadata and Dolby TrueHD/DTS MA HD with my current audio equipment, or is that not yet possible?
ARC can't transfer high bandwidth audio, only dolby digital and DTS and stereo PCM pretty much. TrueHD, DTS-MA, etc don't work on ARC (they do on eARC if your AVR supports that, but that 4 year old pioneer does not, only a few brands have supported that in the last 2 years). Sony models with X1 Ultimate have eARC support, while X1 Extreme and older designs do not.

So if you want to play such mkv files with full audio, you need an external device that will send the decoded video to the TV and the full audio direct to the AVR (not through the TV).

So if you have a TV and AVR with eARC support then it should be possible for a player program on the TV to decode such mkv files and send the full audio over eARC for deciding by the AVR. Otherwise no go, and it probably won't have any audio at all since the player program probably doesn't convert the audio on the fly to dolby digital. It might convert it to stereo PCM at best if you are lucky. I have never looked if any player programs exist for android tv that can do it.
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I mean I didn't think of buying another blu-ray player as an option. I was just hoping in the worst case, I could plug a flash drive into the TV itself and playback whatever 4k file I needed to. If that's the only way to do it, then I suppose I can. Do you know anything about the Nvidia Shield? some people are saying that it'll play anything you throw at it, except Dolby Vision. Will the X700 handle Dolby vision on a file that's on a flash drive?
I have seen people claim that the Sony X700 handled TrueHD audio from a .m2ts file but not from .mkv and only from USB, not a network drive. They also believed that it handled DV from the .m2ts file, although due to the idiotic DV design of the X700 there is no easy way to tell. After all if you turn on DV support, it will always output in DV whether the content is DV or not and if you turn it off it never outputs DV. So there is no way to tell if it actually thinks it is playing DV content or not.
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