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LG had USB 3.0 on their B7-W7 series. They dropped it for some reason in newer TVs.
USB 2 transfer speed maxes out around 40 megaBYTES per sec, so I guess it's plenty for 4k. 100mbps on the Ethernet port is too close for comfort, though. I know there's WiFi but I always prefer to use wired for fixed devices.
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USB 2 transfer speed maxes out around 40 megaBYTES per sec, so I guess it's plenty for 4k. 100mbps on the Ethernet port is too close for comfort, though. I know there's WiFi but I always prefer to use wired for fixed devices.

Too close? My C8 is hardwired and I get full 100 MBps and have zero issues with streaming anything. What did I miss?

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Too close? My C8 is hardwired and I get full 100 MBps and have zero issues with streaming anything. What did I miss?
Streaming 4K disc rip from local or remote server.

Most discs stay below 100mbps but a few get closer or go over at peak. Of course you also like to have a bit of headroom.
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Streaming 4K disc rip from local or remote server.

Most discs stay below 100mbps but a few get closer or go over at peak. Of course you also like to have a bit of headroom.
Ah, then that's not a problemo for me because I don't stream rips from a server. I'm a "traditionalist" . I just use the ATV4k for streaming and physical media via the UHD/BD player.

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I keep looking at the OLED advancement sticky - knowing full well there won't be any news until CES as it is unlikely much meaningful and functional stuff will show up before CES 2020 (if there is any big news in 2020). I still can hope.
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The only reason I'm waiting for 2020 is to buy another, larger LG OLED.
Bought a C8 65" on closeout and I now want at least a 77".

Will be haunting the deals thread starting in March 2020 for 77.
Word is LG will be selling an 88" in the near future.
I'm positive that it will be too rich for me at that time.

2018/19 deals from Black Friday on were very different.
All of the really good deals were limited to a certain amount that sold out fast.
I wasn't entirely convinced until the deal I got came along and checked all of the boxes.
Great seller, no tax, free shipping.

I was truly stunned by how good these displays are. Never expected that much of an improvement over 1080 plasma.
Got mine calibrated yesterday and HS! does it look beautiful.
Viewed some reference content on the yet to be released Spears & Munsil 4k disc.
No banding, fantastic contrast, detail & such a solid an image.

100" OLEDs that match JVC projector prices will take a serious chunk of their market share, imo.
Certain folks will not want to give up the 120 & up screens but I'm not 1 of them.

 
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No, I’m waiting for the Panasonic 65FZ952B to be available in the US.
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I'm curious if anyone else is waiting and what you are hoping for in 2020 (realistically)? I'm not sure why I think I should wait until 2020 but I will have run out of patience waiting for bigger sizes to drop in price and for new panel tech to come out by then. I may go crazy and get the mid year Sony OLED but I don't know what to expect in the mid year that will get me to forgo the wait.
If your going to buy an oled I'd do it now because Trump put tariffs on China which will drive the price up ,you can count on that.
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Gaming aside, and some other tweaks has the technology, basically maxed out? What more do you want and what more can they give?

My only beef with the technology is watching a less than stellar B movie on cable. Yes, these viewing habits are part of my routine. I don’t just watch pristine 4K discs, and the horrible blacks and smearing (non-tech term) with these less than perfect poor feed examples gets on my nerves and is embarrassing if someone is over watching.

Fix that. Make it a great display for anything I watch. Viewers choice and I’ll be happy. And a 77 and I’m done.

I don’t care about all the rest. It’s damn good as is and probably closer to the end of the road in performance than it is in front.

So wait for what? 1 percent improvement year over year each year?
Why would you game on an oled? That's inviting burn in problems.
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If your going to buy an oled I'd do it now because Trump put tariffs on China which will drive the price up ,you can count on that.
Except that LG's OLED TVs are manufactured in Korea (and Mexico).

If someone wants a TCL TV, your warning is spot-on, but LG's (and Sony's) WOLEDs are safe from tarrifs for the for the foreseeable future...
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Why would you game on an oled? That's inviting burn in problems.
Because OLEDs have excellent motion handling and very fast response time with very low input lag. Burn-in and image retention should not be a problem for most gamers so long as they watch varied content and don't keep the same image on the screen for long periods of time.
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I'm curious if anyone else is waiting and what you are hoping for in 2020 (realistically)? I'm not sure why I think I should wait until 2020 but I will have run out of patience waiting for bigger sizes to drop in price and for new panel tech to come out by then. I may go crazy and get the mid year Sony OLED but I don't know what to expect in the mid year that will get me to forgo the wait.

I'm totally happy with my 65" B7... but if I upgrade it I'll be doing it in 2020... to a 77" model.


Will see how the pricing pans out...
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My Chad B calibrated LG B6 is still going strong, but it's coming up on 3 years, and I started looking to see if I should upgrade or not. I want to up size as well, but I'm not willing to pay the 77" LG OLED price. Like others, I'm hoping for a that price to start coming down in the coming years. I can hold out since my TV is superb with no burn in.

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^lol, prices have most certainly come down on 77's compared to just a few years ago...you just have to know where to look!

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^lol, OLED has come down from the days of 20K TVs. Of course, we're talking about coming down from where they currently are.

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^of course, I guess the way I look at it is that now I would be paying what would be equivalent to a 65inch oled 4 years ago to a 77 now...of course ymmv on what you find acceptable.
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^of course, I guess the way I look at it is that now I would be paying what would be equivalent to a 65inch oled 4 years ago to a 77 now...of course ymmv on what you find acceptable.
The bottom line is that LGD spends 50% more per panel manufacturing 77" WOLEDs versus what they spend manufacturing 65" WOLED panels (meain that the intrinsic cost of a 77" WOLED TV is less than 1.5 times the cost of a 65" WOLED TV.

The price of the 77C9 remains far higher that 1.5X the price if the 65C9 (no matter where you want to look), which means LGD remains far more motivated by share of the 65" Premium TV Market than they do by share of the 75/77" Premium TV Market.

When 75/77" WOLED TVs cost less than 1.5 times the cost of 65" WOLED TVs, we'll know LGD is finally motivated to gain share in the Ultra Large Screen Pemium TV Market...

(p.s. this translates to 75/77" WOLEDs for under $3000 when 65" WOLEDs are available for under $2000 which I am currently predicting is likely to first occur in Spring 2021...).
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^honestly I dont pay attention to how many panels LG makes or spends on in a year, however just two years ago the 77G7 was at an astronomical price, now LG for the past two years has offered a cheaper alternative...just look at the price of the 77C8. While there not technically "cheap" they are undeniably trending in the right direction...which in reality is all I said in my post.
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I'll probably be purchasing a 55C10 in 2020. Currently I have a 55B7. Three years feels reasonably ok to me in terms of upgrading a television. I'm waiting til 2020 because I don't feel like outlaying the cash for a C9 this year and 2 years feels a bit too soon to replace a tthe b7.

In terms of 2020, I'd like the C10 to have 13ms or less input lag like the C9. For the headphone jack to still be there as game mode isn't possible with bluetooth headphones and I like to game using headphones. Outside of that nothing really comes to mind in terms of improvements. I'm pretty happy with my B7 so there isn't too much to improve to me.
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I'm hoping the 4K 77" OLED panel sticks around and becomes less of a premium product as they introduce 88", 77", and 65" 8K models. Since they're projecting to more than double 2019 OLED TV capacity in the next year and a half, although partly by adding 48" models, it probably makes sense for me to continue sitting on the sidelines. I'm sure I'll consider buying a 77" C9 once it gets to my selected price, but it's possible that future models may hit even more of my buying considerations. I figure the premium segment is likely to trend towards 8K in the next couple model years, so right now targeting a future 4K model, or even waiting on the P10 plant, seems more compelling than current options.


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I'm hoping the 4K 77" OLED panel sticks around and becomes less of a premium product as they introduce 88", 77", and 65" 8K models. Since they're projecting to more than double 2019 OLED TV capacity in the next year and a half, although partly by adding 48" models, it probably makes sense for me to continue sitting on the sidelines. I'm sure I'll consider buying a 77" C9 once it gets to my selected price, but it's possible that future models may hit even more of my buying considerations.

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65", there is a chance (ie: 65B-Series remains a budget 4K model even after 65C-Series has gone to 8K) but at 75/77", I doubt it. Once the new 10.5G plant is manufacturing 65" and 75" WOLED panels in late 2021/2022, LGD will have a big incentive to phase out 77" WOLEDs in favor of 75" panels and I'm suspecting they will only introduce 75" WOLED panels as 8K.

On the other hand, there will almost certainly be at least one full year of overlap (77" 4K panels and 75/77" 8K panels).

And also, there is a reasonable chance that when LG announces the end of the 77" WOLEDs, they may introduce an 82" 8K WOLED panel to compensate... (with MMG, the production cost of 2 82" WOLED panels and 2 48" WOLED panels is close to identical to the production cost of 2 77" WOLED panels and 2 48" WOLED panels...).
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I think it is important for TV manufacturers to continue to support older models with OS upgrades.

This is why I like Sony and Android TV. Older generations are still getting OS upgrades as long as the hardware supports it. Unlike webOS where LG turns their back on older generations.

I also want HDMI 2.1 and I am hoping that Sony’s 2020 OLEDs will come with it.
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I think it is important for TV manufacturers to continue to support older models with OS upgrades.

This is why I like Sony and Android TV. Older generations are still getting OS upgrades as long as the hardware supports it. Unlike webOS where LG turns their back on older generations.

I also want HDMI 2.1 and I am hoping that Sony’s 2020 OLEDs will come with it.
That's a near-certainty. I don't think you'll find a single Premium TV without HDMI 2.1 next model year...
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That's a near-certainty. I don't think you'll find a single Premium TV without HDMI 2.1 next model year...
That is great to hear. I hope it is the same for AV Receivers. None of the 2019 Denon models have HDMI 2.1.
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Also waiting until next year to see what improvements come. I have a 65B7 which is pretty good, except the prominent vertical banding (credit card warranty took care of me there) and near black noise. Not convinced by 2019 models, seem like very minor improvements overall to a non-gamer.
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That is great to hear. I hope it is the same for AV Receivers. None of the 2019 Denon models have HDMI 2.1.
That's much more difficult to predict. I won't be surprised to see a few 2020 Flagship AVRs support HDMI 2.1' but generaly the AVR industry is a follower rather than a leader as far as these latest HDMI standards...
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I am waiting for my plasma to break. Then if I am still around I will take a look at replacement options. There is no market for a plasma but it works very well for me. And it is too big for my trash can.
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That's a near-certainty. I don't think you'll find a single Premium TV without HDMI 2.1 next model year...

I wouldn't guarantee it, as Sony has been known to do some strange things. For example, it just released a premium TV, the A8G, that still only has two full-bandwidth HDMI 2.0b ports.
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I wouldn't guarantee it, as Sony has been known to do some strange things. For example, it just released a premium TV, the A8G, that still only has two full-bandwidth HDMI 2.0b ports.
I said next model year (meaning 2020).

With their stealth in-house SOC design, LGE got a 1-year jump on the competition.

There were no after-market HDMI2.1 chipsets available in time for 2019 launch (meaning available ~a year ago). That's not the case as we begin the design cycle for 2020 TVs: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300730692.html
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I said next model year (meaning 2020).

With their stealth in-house SOC design, LGE got a 1-year jump on the competition.

There were no after-market HDMI2.1 chipsets available in time for 2019 launch (meaning available ~a year ago). That's not the case as we begin the design cycle for 2020 TVs: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300730692.html

You're missing my point. I realize you are referring to 2020 and I am less than 100% confident that Sony will support HDMI 2.1 next year on mainstream TV. I think Sony will probably support HDMI 2.1 (> 50% probability), but it will likely do so in a limited fashion on less than all four HDMI ports. Sony is still releasing $3000 TVs in 2019 that do not support full bandwidth HDMI 2.0b on all four ports, so full support for HDMI 2.1 next year is unrealistic. Even the $13k Z9G only has HDMI 2.1 on a single port and does not support VRR or ALLM.

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