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yeah you guys are right, crap why did I cancel! Oh well.. anyone know what 2020 has in store for sony? When do they announce the new version?
I just want a TV where I dont have to use any motion settings, like I did with plasma, will it ever get to that point?

I think the only people that know are Sony themselves. However, I do have this marked on my calendar January 6th 8am 2020 "LG Electronics Media Days News Conference." I don't have a date for Sony, but LG's new conference might help give a clue. Ok, probably not...hopefully Sony will improve motion even more to be more like what we see in the theatre along with the way their sets handle DV.

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@Manoj Mohan , perhaps this Panasonic Large Format Client Review Monitor FZ1000 OLED Series would suit you.
https://www.filmtools.com/panasonic-...d-monitor.html

Or, if you're outside the USA, then the consumer Panasonic 65GZ2000.

Good hunting.
Actually that looks very nice. If the Panasonic displays were available in the U.S. it would be my first choice...except I don't believe they have a 77" model. Interesting note, the FZ1000 at least according to what I find on that page does not support DV. At least there's a way to get a Panasonic OLED here in the states...I didn't know that.


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24p source -->
Motionflow Off, True Cinema or Custom w/ Smoothness 0; with Film mode Off = Correct 5:5 pulldown cadence.

Motionflow Off, True Cinema or Custom w/ Smoothness 0; with Film mode High = Correct 5:5 pulldown cadence.

There you go, at least that's the way I would think about it. Everything set to off gives true cadence. That makes the most sense and easiest to remember.

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On the topic of motion: I’ve had the 55 A9G for about 4 months now and didn’t really bother to touch the motion settings from the stock Custom settings. I would love improved motion, but generally despise the SOE and the artifacts it brings. But all this Plasma and motion talk had me trying different things with the motion settings.

Basically, Motionflow seems to operate very differently with Cinemotion set to off. With Cinemotion set to Auto I get a very pronounced SOE effect with Motionflow set above Min, and setting it at 2 or to Max introduces all kinds of visual artifacts.
But with Cinemotion set to Off, I find Motionflow much more effective, much more natural looking, and really haven’t noticed any visual artifacts even with a setting of 2 or even at Max. I’ve been running Motionflow at 1 with Cinemotion off the past couple of days, and really don’t see any pronounced SOE with that combo, and it definitely improves motion. I ran it at 2 for a couple of flicks, and while it works well, you lose that 24p look.

Anyway, just looking to compare notes and get some insight from the more technically informed members on this topic.
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On the topic of motion: I’ve had the 55 A9G for about 4 months now and didn’t really bother to touch the motion settings from the stock Custom settings. I would love improved motion, but generally despise the SOE and the artifacts it brings. But all this Plasma and motion talk had me trying different things with the motion settings.

Basically, Motionflow seems to operate very differently with Cinemotion set to off. With Cinemotion set to Auto I get a very pronounced SOE effect with Motionflow set above Min, and setting it at 2 or to Max introduces all kinds of visual artifacts.
But with Cinemotion set to Off, I find Motionflow much more effective, much more natural looking, and really haven’t noticed any visual artifacts even with a setting of 2 or even at Max. I’ve been running Motionflow at 1 with Cinemotion off the past couple of days, and really don’t see any pronounced SOE with that combo, and it definitely improves motion. I ran it at 2 for a couple of flicks, and while it works well, you lose that 24p look.

Anyway, just looking to compare notes and get some insight from the more technically informed members on this topic.
Now that is something I have not tried and will try today. As I am eager to see if this works as you say it does,

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Just wanted to add: I only stream and use disks, so i didn’t try those motion settings with a 60p source.
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I didn't know about “Up Time” until you posted the question as to what it means and where to find it. Very helpful. Although, I haven’t had the need to do a reboot for my relatively new A9G yet, I did run into numerous issues with my former Sony Z9D and learned that a soft reboot usually resolved the problem. Like a number of others who posted on the Z9D forum , a periodic reboot should be done for for maintenance and “housekeeping.” After I started doing that, I never had another single problem occur again. Not sure if this applies to the A9G, but good to know about it anyway.
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On the topic of motion: I’ve had the 55 A9G for about 4 months now and didn’t really bother to touch the motion settings from the stock Custom settings. I would love improved motion, but generally despise the SOE and the artifacts it brings. But all this Plasma and motion talk had me trying different things with the motion settings.

Basically, Motionflow seems to operate very differently with Cinemotion set to off. With Cinemotion set to Auto I get a very pronounced SOE effect with Motionflow set above Min, and setting it at 2 or to Max introduces all kinds of visual artifacts.
But with Cinemotion set to Off, I find Motionflow much more effective, much more natural looking, and really haven’t noticed any visual artifacts even with a setting of 2 or even at Max. I’ve been running Motionflow at 1 with Cinemotion off the past couple of days, and really don’t see any pronounced SOE with that combo, and it definitely improves motion. I ran it at 2 for a couple of flicks, and while it works well, you lose that 24p look.

Anyway, just looking to compare notes and get some insight from the more technically informed members on this topic.
Cinemotion Set to Auto/Off with any non OFF Motionflow setting causes stuttering on 1080i/60 film based material and/or 1080i/60 material with ticker overlays. That is why I only recommend Motionflow set to OFF and Cinemotion set to Auto with the A9Gs as it is the only combo that does not cause issues with 1080i through 4K signal types.
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Cinemotion Set to Auto/Off with any non OFF Motionflow setting causes stuttering on 1080i/60 film based material and/or 1080i/60 material with ticker overlays. That is why I only recommend Motionflow set to OFF and Cinemotion set to Auto with the A9Gs as it is the only combo that does not cause issues with 1080i through 4K signal types.
That part i think i understand correctly: so Cinemotion is basically meant for 1080i/60p sources? Because that doesn’t apply to my viewing habits. I either stream with an Apple TV 4K (4K/60p with frame match on) or watch BD’s or UHD’s. Those are the sources where i found Motionflow more effective with Cinemotion off. I really wish Sony didn’t make their motion setting so mysterious.

By the way D-Nice: thanks for the SDR picture settings. I was reluctant to set Peak Luminance to low, but found that it gives a more natural look to image. This really became apparent to me when watching a few classic flicks. The image looked a bit blown out with Peak Luminance on medium, setting it on Low looked “correct”. I didn’t use the 2 point, 10 point, or color settings since I really can’t tell if they made the image better or not. Though they did look good when i tried them, my understanding is that those particular settings should not be improvised.
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My 77 A9G is currently in transit- Yippee!!! Started to look around to maybe pickup an Extended Warranty and came up short in a real hurry . Looked at SquareTrade and their site says that they only cover TVs up to $2999! Looked at Asurion website but they say the warranties are available through major retailers? Have any of you guys purchased an extended warranty for a 77 A9G price class?
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Dumb question on DV Dark and DV Bright modes on the Sony A9G, since you can’t directly calibrate DV on Sony is one of the modes more accurate than the other? Or are they both accurate with overall brightness being the only difference? In my low light viewing DV bright seems a tad bright but has the pop I like while DV dark takes some of the pop away, at a good overall brightness.

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DV Dark follows the PQ curve where DV Bright does not which is why it looks brighter. The mid tones on DV Bright are mostly where the deviation is to make the picture brighter. You can turn ACE on Low with DV Dark to help improve the "pop".

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That part i think i understand correctly: so Cinemotion is basically meant for 1080i/60p sources?
No, it is not. It’s for all film based sources.

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Those are the sources where i found Motionflow more effective with Cinemotion off. I really wish Sony didn’t make their motion setting so mysterious.
Motionflow is an interpolation setting. Anything above Min can easily been seen as interpolation.... especially with test patterns. Min is still interpolating, but only in certain conditions.

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By the way D-Nice: thanks for the SDR picture settings. I was reluctant to set Peak Luminance to low, but found that it gives a more natural look to image. This really became apparent to me when watching a few classic flicks. The image looked a bit blown out with Peak Luminance on medium, setting it on Low looked “correct”. I didn’t use the 2 point, 10 point, or color settings since I really can’t tell if they made the image better or not. Though they did look good when i tried them, my understanding is that those particular settings should not be improvised.
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I had saw a video about OLED panel production being reduced. My only hope is they don't stop advancing the technology as there are still some things that need to be resolved and improved upon.
Maybe they have hit the plateau, you do not want to over produce......

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Actually that looks very nice. If the Panasonic displays were available in the U.S. it would be my first choice...except I don't believe they have a 77" model.
They keep on promising US versions but no dies so far......
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Maybe they have hit the plateau, you do not want to over produce......

They keep on promising US versions but no dies so far......
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D-Nice: Thanks again for all the info, in my opinion you seem more knowledgeable about the a9g then Sony. And definitely more helpful.
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You talk about Pana GZ2000 ? Only Max 65’’, 77’’ do not exist
No, but they should, and should in America too!

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DV Dark follows the PQ curve where DV Bright does not which is why it looks brighter. The mid tones on DV Bright are mostly where the deviation is to make the picture brighter. You can turn ACE on Low with DV Dark to help improve the "pop".
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Glad to see they have pixel shift off now, never used it on plasma, do not use it on OLED.



Also nice to see the update does not mess with the calibration, guess I'll do mine this weekend. There is a reason my A8F and A9G are not connected to the internet until I do it manually.

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I’ve owned a 60” Pioneer Kuro Elite 151 for 8 years and now own a 77” A9G. Although the Kuro was a great TV which I had calibrated by a revered ISF Calibrator, both my wife and I find that our 77” A9G is by far the best TV which we’ve ever owned. As for operation, we’ve had no issues and are used to Sony’s Android operating system as we previously owned a Sony Z9D LCD. We do have an Apple 4K TV for streaming, so I can’t comment on the A9Gs internal apps. We are movie buffs and watch in a light controlled dark room so find an OLED perfect for us. Since you own a plasma, my guess is that you would be most happy with an an OLED like the 77” A9G which, in my opinion, would be a big step up from your 50” Kuro. If I were you, I would go for the A9G and not look back. Just my 2 cents.

Thanks for your thoughts. I currently have a Panny 60VT60 plasma and doing preliminary research on the 77A9G to see what problems most people encounter and what to expect fro OLED. My wife and I most watch CableTV, movies and sports. I do a little gaming, about 5-8 hours a week. Even though the Sony’s input lag is a hair slower than the LG, it’s not nearly as slow as my plasma so I’ll definitely see an upgrade in that department. I’m just waiting for the Super Bowl sales to see if prices go down.


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I'm in the same boat - just replaced my 50" Kuro with the 55A9G. Still can't stand LCDs; I spent hours trying to get my parents' expensive "QLED" to look good and it still looks like crap to me compared to the Kuro. I happen to have access to an i1 Pro spectrophotometer and calibrated it myself with the i1 and HFCR. Amazing accuracy. D-Nice's settings were 90% as good as my final calibration.

However, it was time to make the leap to 4K/HDR for me (and IMHO HDR > 4K) and after seeing all his posts on the A9G, I figured this was a worthy replacement for my beloved Kuro.

A few impressions on the A9G vs the Kuro:
1. HDR is AWESOME; black levels even better than the Kuro (screen is literally darker when off). Reflection issues are about the same, maybe marginally better.
2. Unless you have a new receiver, the built-in apps are useless unless you're just using the built-in speakers.
3. The center channel function is mostly a gimmick. My TV is over a fireplace so I'm trying it but it's not great. I've been able to improve it by bumping up my sub crossover but if you care about audio, you won't be using it.
4. D-Nice's generic settings are very good on my panel. Either I got a great panel or tolerances are much smaller than they used to be. Many people will find them flat because they're used to oversaturation but those people are wrong.
5. I've gotten fantastic results using apps on my XBox (Netflix, Amazon, Disney+). As long as you get the settings right (like enabling Enhanced HDMI on the inputs) and make sure you have newer HDMI cables, everything works awesome.
6. I don't have one but based on this thread, Apple TV may cause you major headaches.
7. Think hard about size - the clarity of 4K enables great pictures at larger sizes. I'm strongly considering trading my 55 for a 65 (only had it a week and a half).
8. Coming from a plasma, the motion settings suck. Every one either causes stuttering on the crawl at the bottom of the screen (I watch mostly sports) or soap opera effect. However, I find that motion is good with those settings turned off.
9. Responsiveness for XBox games in Game mode is very good. I know the newest LGs are even faster but the A9G is plenty fast.

Whether the A9G is worth any premium to the LG sets that use the same panel is a personal decision but I'm very happy with the design and build quality and Android TV is very smooth on this set. I'll hardly ever use it for reasons described above but if you have a different setup (picture to TV, audio to receiver via HDMI eARC), the built-in app setup is as good as any other TV. Happy hunting!

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Thanks for your thoughts. I currently have a Panny 60VT60 plasma and doing preliminary research on the 77A9G to see what problems most people encounter and what to expect fro OLED. My wife and I most watch CableTV, movies and sports. I do a little gaming, about 5-8 hours a week. Even though the Sony’s input lag is a hair slower than the LG, it’s not nearly as slow as my plasma so I’ll definitely see an upgrade in that department. I’m just waiting for the Super Bowl sales to see if prices go down.


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Thanks for your thoughts. I currently have a Panny 60VT60 plasma and doing preliminary research on the 77A9G to see what problems most people encounter and what to expect fro OLED. My wife and I most watch CableTV, movies and sports. I do a little gaming, about 5-8 hours a week. Even though the Sony’s input lag is a hair slower than the LG, it’s not nearly as slow as my plasma so I’ll definitely see an upgrade in that department. I’m just waiting for the Super Bowl sales to see if prices go down.


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I had a VT60. Surprised you can game on it and not have burn in issues. I would have kept it much, much longer if it wasn’t so sensitive to burn in issues. Or at least mine was.

Having said that, I think you’d still be pretty happy with an A9G upgrade.


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Believe it or not, I think all my motion woes with OLED was from my Yamaha Receiver. I just got a brand new 3080 Aventage and ever since I swapped it for my old one, the motion has been superb. Weird. Maybe not very good HDMI switch on the old receiver. All these years of playing with settings trying to get motion perfect... wasted.
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Believe it or not, I think all my motion woes with OLED was from my Yamaha Receiver. I just got a brand new 3080 Aventage and ever since I swapped it for my old one, the motion has been superb. Weird. Maybe not very good HDMI switch on the old receiver. All these years of playing with settings trying to get motion perfect... wasted.

If you stream Netflix through the internal app, let us know if you experience audio dropouts with Dolby Digital + through ARC. A lot of us Yamaha owners have been having problems with dropouts with the Sony. I’m curious if you also experience it. I have a 1080 and previously had a 1050.


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If you stream Netflix through the internal app, let us know if you experience audio dropouts with Dolby Digital + through ARC. A lot of us Yamaha owners have been having problems with dropouts with the Sony. I’m curious if you also experience it. I have a 1080 and previously had a 1050.
Interesting you mention these audio dropouts on Netflix via the Son'y internal app. I noticed these yesterday for the first time while I was comparing picture and sound between the Sony's Netflix app and Apple TV 4K.

We had not had dropouts previously. I installed the latest firmware via USB earlier in the week...but did not hear audio dropouts until yesterday.

I'm using a Yamaha RX-A880.

We did not have audio dropouts via the Apple TV 4K (Dolby Digital + ARC).
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I had a VT60. Surprised you can game on it and not have burn in issues. I would have kept it much, much longer if it wasn’t so sensitive to burn in issues. Or at least mine was.

Having said that, I think you’d still be pretty happy with an A9G upgrade.

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I didn’t game for long periods of time, maybe 2-3 hours a week. I never had problems with burn in or image retention. I was very careful about static images for the first 2-300 hours.


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I game about 2-3 hours a day and sometimes more than that. So far I have this tv since July and so far so good with no burn in . But I do watch a lot of movies and YouTube. So maybe that even it out . I already logged 110 hours playing death stranding on this tv lol!
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