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Can someone comment does the A9G have the same lip sync issues as LG OLEDs? I think real cinema on LG is the culprit, its kind of stupid.
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Can someone comment does the A9G have the same lip sync issues as LG OLEDs? I think real cinema on LG is the culprit, its kind of stupid.
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Most of the time I have found this has to do with using ARC and having extra sound processing turned on through either the TV or Receiver/Soundbar. So it works like this, the tv either has external devices plugged directly into it and then going out to the receiver/soundbar or you're using the tv's internal apps. If the tv or soundbar has additional sound processing going on, the picture is slightly ahead of the sound making the sound delayed. Using the delay feature built into the soundbar or receiver is pointless because the audio is arriving late..

The solution would be to either route everything through your soundbar or receiver so that it is sending both the picture and audio out at the same time, or turn off any extra sound processing when using the TV's built in apps or using external devices plugged directly into the TV.
On Sony TV's it's called "Clear Audio" or something like that. I would turn any extra sound processing off anyways.

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Can someone comment does the A9G have the same lip sync issues as LG OLEDs? I think real cinema on LG is the culprit, its kind of stupid.
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Using ARC for the native apps (Netflix, Amazon, YouTube TV), I do not experience any lip sync issues. When I had an Apple TV briefly, I did not experience any issues with Netflix, but did experience lip sync issues with Amazon. I'm pretty sure this was an app issue after doing some research. When I used to have a Sony BD player, the Amazon app also had lip sync issues from time to time. Right now, I'm sticking to the native TV apps for streaming since they seem to provide the most reliability for me (sans the DD+ audio drop out bug).

I don't know if it makes a difference, but in the Audio Output settings, I switched the A/V Sync setting from "Auto" to "On." I'm not really sure if that helps or changes anything at all. Might have even caused problems with the ATV Amazon app for all I know. While watching discs on my Panasonic 820, I have no lip sync issues - but did not even attempt to mess with their apps.

Lip sync problems can drive anyone mad, because you often don't know if it's the app itself, your audio output, a jumpy Internet connection, or the TV itself.
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Hi looking for A9G owners for help⋯⋯ I just brought a Sony A9G and I am loving it so far but there is a little problem I am having with the adv contrast enhancer option. When watching an YouTube video to test the dirty screen effect on my tv https://youtu.be/Vs84_xCJPbc the screen will do a short quick flash from time to time only when the adv contract enhancer is on. Hoping that some A9G owners can kindly test it out pls, many thx
Engaging the ACE will cause color banding to occur that gets worse as you increase it. I would turn it off.

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Hi looking for A9G owners for help⋯⋯ I just brought a Sony A9G and I am loving it so far but there is a little problem I am having with the adv contrast enhancer option. When watching an YouTube video to test the dirty screen effect on my tv https://youtu.be/Vs84_xCJPbc the screen will do a short quick flash from time to time only when the adv contract enhancer is on. Hoping that some A9G owners can kindly test it out pls, many thx
Engaging the ACE will cause color banding to occur that gets worse as you increase it. I would turn it off.
I knew that and thx for the advice . Just liked to know if any one is experiencing the same little light brink/flash problem as they watch that you tube video with contract enhancer on. Thx so much
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Correct and that still hold true. Side by side, the CX is just not equal to the A9G, nor A8H with upscaling.
Well I guess the A9G is still King in ways then.
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Is this bad screen uniformity in your opinion on my a9g after 3 months... the camera over exposed it by a bit of course.
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Correct and that still hold true. Side by side, the CX is just not equal to the A9G, nor A8H with upscaling.
Comparative picture quality comments posted by Robert of V E yesterday:

“Sony's A8H is very much like the A9G, but with a few upgrades in the Clearness, aka BFI and how the A8H's X1 Ultimate video processor was tuned to drive the low luminance to deliver more shadow detail and better screen uniformity. Also although LG's are close to the performance of Sony's X1 Ultimate video processing Sony remains the king of video processing . . . they deliver a moderately better overall image quality. However, as it stands today (compared to the A9G) I would say the advantages of the new Clearness, BFI and how the X1 Ultimate processor was re-tuned to deliver better near black performance makes the A8H is the better choice.”

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I’m having an inclination that Sony will be going the same route it took with its LED master series, with the new OLED master series and make it 8K. Then leave the A8 line as the 4K oled. They’ll make the A9 their master series line 8K only. That’ll suck because it’ll be super expensive like the LED 8k master series is.
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I'm 6 feet away from the screen, therefore a 65" is perfect, and therefore I see no need to upgrade from the A9G any time soon. I generally get one every year, but I will skip this year. At some point, there isn't much point. I wish the Sony flagship would go to 24-month lifecycles like blu-ray players. Until LGD can get more brightness out of OLED, not much to improve. 8K is not something I care about one bit with what I have invested in my gear.
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Is this bad screen uniformity in your opinion on my a9g after 3 months... the camera over exposed it by a bit of course.
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Can anyone please provide me instructions on how to configure and test Dolby Atmos (TrueHD) using the A9G and the Sony HT-ST5000 soundbar?
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Comparative picture quality comments posted by V E yesterday:

“Sony's A8H is very much like the A9G, but with a few upgrades in the Clearness, aka BFI and how the A8H's X1 Ultimate video processor was tuned to drive the low luminance to deliver more shadow detail and better screen uniformity. Also although LG's are close to the performance of Sony's X1 Ultimate video processing Sony remains the king of video processing . . . they deliver a moderately better overall image quality. However, as it stands today (compared to the A9G) I would say the advantages of the new Clearness, BFI and how the X1 Ultimate processor was re-tuned to deliver better near black performance makes the A8H is the better choice.”

Never had an issue with motion on the A9G, but better near black uniformity has me curious. Not that I’d upgrade just yet, but I’ll definitely be watching the reviews a bit more closely.


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I’m having an inclination that Sony will be going the same route it took with its LED master series, with the new OLED master series and make it 8K. Then leave the A8 line as the 4K oled. They’ll make the A9 their master series line 8K only. That’ll suck because it’ll be super expensive like the LED 8k master series is.
Remember they would have come out with the A9H this year if not for Covid. And I do not believe it was 8k. I bet the A9H next year will be 4k (they will likely just continue development on it, not bag it and start over).

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Had a quick and maybe simple calibration question for my A9G which was pro calibrated upon break-in, back in March.

It’s always had this green hue/cast on most content I watch and I’ve tried dropping the red and blue high controls a few clicks on the 2 point white balance settings, per my calibrator.

That didn’t seem to get rid of it so I dropped the Green and Blue a few clicks and it looked better but still not right either. Any recommendations on what to adjust to get rid of a subtle green hue? Should I adjust the Green on the CMS??
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Has anyone updated your A9G to V6.3626 which was released last week 5/14/2020? Any indication if it corrected any problems from V6.3624 released 4/16/2020?
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Has anyone updated your A9G to V6.3626 which was released last week 5/14/2020? Any indication if it corrected any problems from V6.3624 released 4/16/2020?
I did. And that depends what problems you're referring to? My issue is with audio dropouts during ARC on DD+, which is still very much present.
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My install went well, no issues. My certified HDMI cable still talks to my Yamaha Rx-A3060, and ATV4K without issues. Since I use the ATV4K to get to my subscriptions, I can't really comment on the Sony apps, except Curiosity Stream app, which is working very well. Since I had the system professionally calibrated when new, I have had now difficulties with the color etc. and my calibrator recommended turning off the various smoothing controls which have not been needed. I do have one issue, when the tv and atv4k haven't talked for a day or so, all works fine except for Hulu which balks at the initial transition to the chosen material, interface is fine. It fails on the black screen transition to the chosen content, which I don't think is an HDMI handshake issue. I just go out to the selection screen and go back in and it usually works, if not leave Hulu and go back in, then it works. Some ATV4K resets, but haven't had to reset the Sony since the update a few months ago. This one seems to have gone well too. If looking for issues I'd look at the modem speed feeding the system and at any cable no certified for at least 18GBs. Just my experience over the last 6 months with this great TV. The plasma is still out in garage, but I don't think it's ever coming back.

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I did. And that depends what problems you're referring to? My issue is with audio dropouts during ARC on DD+, which is still very much present.

Thanks! I have had my A9G since January and am still on V6.3598. Very reluctant to update as I do not have audio dropout issues while using internal apps. I do have several other issues such as:
  1. Video freeze or pauses a couple of times while watching any internal app
  2. IMAX Enhanced movie the audio output is PCM and not DTS.
  3. Dolby Atmos movies on Netflix work great with eARC and show up as Atmos on the Denon. However, Atmos demos and videos on YouTube show up as DDSurr on the Denon and not Atmos.

I added an Apple TV 4K which seems to work well, but would like to use the internal apps if Sony ever fixes the issues!!
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Had a quick and maybe simple calibration question for my A9G which was pro calibrated upon break-in, back in March.

It’s always had this green hue/cast on most content I watch and I’ve tried dropping the red and blue high controls a few clicks on the 2 point white balance settings, per my calibrator.

That didn’t seem to get rid of it so I dropped the Green and Blue a few clicks and it looked better but still not right either. Any recommendations on what to adjust to get rid of a subtle green hue? Should I adjust the Green on the CMS??

You really shouldn’t mess with white balance without a meter . Have you reached out to your calibrator ? That would be my first step


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Had a quick and maybe simple calibration question for my A9G which was pro calibrated upon break-in, back in March.

It’s always had this green hue/cast on most content I watch and I’ve tried dropping the red and blue high controls a few clicks on the 2 point white balance settings, per my calibrator.

That didn’t seem to get rid of it so I dropped the Green and Blue a few clicks and it looked better but still not right either. Any recommendations on what to adjust to get rid of a subtle green hue? Should I adjust the Green on the CMS??
If you can’t get a good calibrator to come to your home anytime soon or if you simply can’t afford one, Home cinema guy (Jeff Meier), a recently retired calibrator and one of the best in the business, has recently started a series of videos on YouTube to help you calibrate your tv by simply using your iPhone or iPad as a reference (they are very accurate). I believe he’s done 4 or 5 segments so far with more to come. Very informative.

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Had a quick and maybe simple calibration question for my A9G which was pro calibrated upon break-in, back in March.

It’️s always had this green hue/cast on most content I watch and I’️ve tried dropping the red and blue high controls a few clicks on the 2 point white balance settings, per my calibrator.

That didn’️t seem to get rid of it so I dropped the Green and Blue a few clicks and it looked better but still not right either. Any recommendations on what to adjust to get rid of a subtle green hue? Should I adjust the Green on the CMS??

You really shouldn’️t mess with white balance without a meter . Have you reached out to your calibrator ? That would be my first step


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Yes, I did reach out and his suggestion was to either drop the red and or blue a few clicks... but to your point, a meter would be what’s truly needed. Guess I was hopeful there was an easy fix. Unfortunately, it’s one of things I had to learn the hard way. 😞
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Had a quick and maybe simple calibration question for my A9G which was pro calibrated upon break-in, back in March.

It’s always had this green hue/cast on most content I watch and I’ve tried dropping the red and blue high controls a few clicks on the 2 point white balance settings, per my calibrator.

That didn’t seem to get rid of it so I dropped the Green and Blue a few clicks and it looked better but still not right either. Any recommendations on what to adjust to get rid of a subtle green hue? Should I adjust the Green on the CMS??
Green hue/cast compared to what?
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Had a quick and maybe simple calibration question for my A9G which was pro calibrated upon break-in, back in March.

It’️s always had this green hue/cast on most content I watch and I’️ve tried dropping the red and blue high controls a few clicks on the 2 point white balance settings, per my calibrator.

That didn’️t seem to get rid of it so I dropped the Green and Blue a few clicks and it looked better but still not right either. Any recommendations on what to adjust to get rid of a subtle green hue? Should I adjust the Green on the CMS??
If you can’️t get a good calibrator to come to your home anytime soon or if you simply can’️t afford one, Home cinema guy (Jeff Meier), a recently retired calibrator and one of the best in the business, has recently started a series of videos on YouTube to help you calibrate your tv by simply using your iPhone as a reference (they are very accurate). I believe he’️s done 4 or 5 segments so far with more to come. Very informative.
I paid good money for the initial calibration just not interested in paying double. 🙂 That said, Jeff having a YouTube channel is about the coolest news I’ve heard all year!! Seeing his name brings back good memories. 🙂 Many thanks for the FYI! Jeff is without a Doubt one of the best to ever do it!
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Had a quick and maybe simple calibration question for my A9G which was pro calibrated upon break-in, back in March.

It’️s always had this green hue/cast on most content I watch and I’️ve tried dropping the red and blue high controls a few clicks on the 2 point white balance settings, per my calibrator.

That didn’️t seem to get rid of it so I dropped the Green and Blue a few clicks and it looked better but still not right either. Any recommendations on what to adjust to get rid of a subtle green hue? Should I adjust the Green on the CMS??
Green hue/cast compared to what?
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I wish the Sony flagship would go to 24-month lifecycles....
Due to COVID, you may have your wish, at least for 1 year, with A9H release being postponed.
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If the calibration is fresh on the the 500M, within the last two years, your OLED calibration needs to be checked. If it is not fresh, your 500M and OLED need to be checked.
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If the calibration is fresh on the the 500M, within the last two years, your OLED calibration needs to be checked. If it is not fresh, your 500M and OLED need to be checked.
Gotcha. So it’s been longer than 2 years since the 500M has been calibrated but only close to 500 hours of use has been spent on it since it was last calibrated. Would it still require a re-cal?
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Gotcha. So it’s been longer than 2 years since the 500M has been calibrated but only close to 500 hours of use has been spent on it since it was last calibrated. Would it still require a re-cal?
Not sure. It should not but the only way to be sure it to put a meter on it.
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