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I was a bit stubborn about it, because the only apps I use (Netflix, Amazon, YouTube TV) are all available as internal apps, but there are too many issues with sound dropouts via ARC, as well as this weird static line on YouTube TV that keeps flashing.

None of those issues are present on ATV. And no need to worry about ARC dropouts. I still think it's kind of an unnecessary addition for my limited streaming habits, but who knows if Sony will ever fix these problems. The audio dropouts that affect certain AVRs have been going on forever, including with older models. And when you throw on all of these restarts that are needed, it's just best to not worry with all that crap.
I hear you the random restarts can be annoying , I'm going to purchase the ATV soon, thanks.
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I decided against the z9g, great price but I really wanted OLED. My glass wall has plenty of blinds so I can control the light. Installed today. It certainly doesn’t disappoint does it. Quite stunning. Apple TV with DV bright is sumptuous. Calibrated using DNice settings for now as I warm it up. I loved my x940c. This is a different game altogether. Inky blacks, super uniformity on the panel and a surprisingly reasonable sound before I hook anything up. Now I see the light or the dark.
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I decided against the z9g, great price but I really wanted OLED. My glass wall has plenty of blinds so I can control the light. Installed today. It certainly doesn’️t disappoint does it. Quite stunning. Apple TV with DV bright is sumptuous. Calibrated using DNice settings for now as I warm it up. I loved my x940c. This is a different game altogether. Inky blacks, super uniformity on the panel and a surprisingly reasonable sound before I hook anything up. Now I see the light or the dark.
Good choice either way. You can use his settings as a baseline, but play around with your set. One size does not fit all for every TV and we all have different eyes. Especially when it comes to the processing and motion settings. Spend a couple hours watching a movie and Tweak things while watching to see what looks best to you.
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I decided against the z9g, great price but I really wanted OLED. My glass wall has plenty of blinds so I can control the light. Installed today. It certainly doesn’️t disappoint does it. Quite stunning. Apple TV with DV bright is sumptuous. Calibrated using DNice settings for now as I warm it up. I loved my x940c. This is a different game altogether. Inky blacks, super uniformity on the panel and a surprisingly reasonable sound before I hook anything up. Now I see the light or the dark.
Agreed, the Sony color, processing, uniformity and inky blacks of the A9G has taken the game to the next level. Even my wife, who historically doesn't care about quality home theater gear has been converted and admits greatness.

I have a wall to the right of my Sony with 14' of sliding glass doors that the sun shines in till about 2pm. The A9G punches through the light just fine. Frankly, the OLED causes much less eye fatigue than my Samsung flagship LED.

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I decided against the z9g, great price but I really wanted OLED. My glass wall has plenty of blinds so I can control the light. Installed today. It certainly doesn’️t disappoint does it. Quite stunning. Apple TV with DV bright is sumptuous. Calibrated using DNice settings for now as I warm it up. I loved my x940c. This is a different game altogether.
Good choice either way. You can use his settings as a baseline, but play around with your set. One size does not fit all for every TV and we all have different eyes. Especially when it comes to the processing and motion settings. Spend a couple hours watching a movie and Tweak things while watching to see what looks best to you.
Yup, the A9G is truly worth the painless and enjoyable effort to test drive familiar material and different sources and dial in a picture that is best for the owner. I've used D-nice settings as a baseline. This tv is a piece of art whether on or off.
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So which firmware?

Current?

Update notice pushed to TV?

Version on Sony website?
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So which firmware?

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The firmware on the Sony website is newer than what is being pushed to your TV.
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These Questions are for D-Nice. I will number them since I have a lot in order to make it easier for you to answer, if you would be so gracious.
1. I do not see sharpness settings for either set of settings you posted.

2. I saw a different post of yours that indicated for people using a setting of 48 Color to use a setting of 50 Color in HDR and Dolbyvision. If I have "Per Color Adjustments" made in accordance with a Color setting of 48 in SDR, Won't that make them not map out properly to HDR and SDR with a Color setting of 50 in those 2 formats (HDR/Dolbyvision)?

3. Why should we be using Reality Creation at 4 on the 2020 builds, and not on the 2019 builds?

5. If I am calibrating my 77" A9G to 77.6 Footlamberts (With Peak Luminance on HIGH, and Gamma at -2 targeting 2.4), is my picture going to really be accurate as long as my grayscale, gamma, and measurements of color for Red, Magenta, Blue, Green, Cyan, and Yellow all have delta errors at around 0.2 and 0.1? I am reading 75% / 75% only, and do not have the ability to run colorchecker, so should I assume the color at other levels will have much larger errors, or if 75% / 75% is showing errors that low should I assume the rest is following suit at least closely?

6. When measuring grayscale/gamma on Calman, the 100% pattern pulls the entire power gamma line graph in different directions, so let's say I start with a measurement of 100% IRE and measure from 0% IRE up to 95% IRE, 60% up to 95% may progressively dip down towards 2.0, but let's say I measure 100% a second time, the graph will straighten out closer to 2.4. Same thing applies if I was to wait 3 to 5 seconds before taking the 100% reading, it will give me different results along the entire graph generally from 60% IRE to 95% IRE. Is this ABL kicking in on the 100% pattern, changing it's luminance levels and ultimately effecting the rest of the graph? If so, which reading of 100% should I base my adjustments of 60% to 95% to? The very first 100% reading as soon as the pattern pops up, wait 3 to 5 seconds then take the reading, or just take a second reading after 95%? Very confusing...

7. Could you look at my attached calibration results and tl me what you think? Can't seem to get 80% IRE to 95% IRE to ever flatten out. I'm using Ted's 21 Step Grayscale Patterns with the A9G Internal VLC Media Player App and takingvreadings with an I1 Pro-2 on Calman Home For Sony.

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I believe the 2020 A9G models use a new OLED panel.

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These Questions are for D-Nice. I will number them since I have a lot in order to make it easier for you to answer, if you would be so gracious.
1. I do not see sharpness settings for either set of settings you posted.

2. I saw a different post of yours that indicated for people using a setting of 48 Color to use a setting of 50 Color in HDR and Dolbyvision. If I have "Per Color Adjustments" made in accordance with a Color setting of 48 in SDR, Won't that make them not map out properly to HDR and SDR with a Color setting of 50 in those 2 formats (HDR/Dolbyvision)?

3. Why should we be using Reality Creation at 4 on the 2020 builds, and not on the 2019 builds?

5. If I am calibrating my 77" A9G to 77.6 Footlamberts (With Peak Luminance on HIGH, and Gamma at -2 targeting 2.4), is my picture going to really be accurate as long as my grayscale, gamma, and measurements of color for Red, Magenta, Blue, Green, Cyan, and Yellow all have delta errors at around 0.2 and 0.1? I am reading 75% / 75% only, and do not have the ability to run colorchecker, so should I assume the color at other levels will have much larger errors, or if 75% / 75% is showing errors that low should I assume the rest is following suit at least closely?

6. When measuring grayscale/gamma on Calman, the 100% pattern pulls the entire power gamma line graph in different directions, so let's say I start with a measurement of 100% IRE and measure from 0% IRE up to 95% IRE, 60% up to 95% may progressively dip down towards 2.0, but let's say I measure 100% a second time, the graph will straighten out closer to 2.4. Same thing applies if I was to wait 3 to 5 seconds before taking the 100% reading, it will give me different results along the entire graph generally from 60% IRE to 95% IRE. Is this ABL kicking in on the 100% pattern, changing it's luminance levels and ultimately effecting the rest of the graph? If so, which reading of 100% should I base my adjustments of 60% to 95% to? The very first 100% reading as soon as the pattern pops up, wait 3 to 5 seconds then take the reading, or just take a second reading after 95%? Very confusing...

7. Could you look at my attached calibration results and tl me what you think? Can't seem to get 80% IRE to 95% IRE to ever flatten out. I'm using Ted's 21 Step Grayscale Patterns with the A9G Internal VLC Media Player App and takingvreadings with an I1 Pro-2 on Calman Home For Sony.

INPUT FROM OTHERS WOULD BE APPRECIATED AS WELL 🙂🙂
what are your RGB values for the 20 point balance?
at home by doing autocal, I have values for points 1 -20 / -16 / -20 and point 2 (-8 / -7 / -12).
I find that the corrections on the RGB are important and must block the blacks? the rest of the points are consistent
I don't know how to increase these values calculated by autocal.

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Panel Refresh

If anybody is interested--my 65" has just finished it's third panel refresh. The first occurred at ~400 hours. The second at ~600 hours. And, the most recent at ~ 800 hours. So, it appears that the panel I have will now have an interval of ~200 hours between every panel refresh cycle. Each time the refresh happens, there are no problems. When I turn the set off for the night, and it is time for the cycle, I get the notice that it will do the refresh. I leave the set off for ~18 hours before using it again. Then, an on-screen message says that the cycle has finished.

Just FYI for anybody that may care about this topic.
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In response to dubusduck #5797 , I am looking at a new 2019 65A9G, are you saying that I should
might be getting a old panel design?
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In response to dubusduck #5797 , I am looking at a new 2019 65A9G, are you saying that I should
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The 77” is supposed to have the 2020 panel. Suggest you talk to Robert Zohn at Value Electronics about the 65”.

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I decided against the z9g, great price but I really wanted OLED. My glass wall has plenty of blinds so I can control the light. Installed today. It certainly doesn’t disappoint does it. Quite stunning. Apple TV with DV bright is sumptuous. Calibrated using DNice settings for now as I warm it up. I loved my x940c. This is a different game altogether. Inky blacks, super uniformity on the panel and a surprisingly reasonable sound before I hook anything up. Now I see the light or the dark.
We owned a 75” Z9D before getting our 77” A9G OLED. Both are great TVs, but we prefer our OLED over the Z9D LCD in our small dedicated light-controlled audio-video room. We mostly watch DVD/BD movies via our BluRay player as well as streaming from our Apple 4K TV. Of course YMMV, but in our environment and with our viewing habits, our OLED is highly preferred. Just my wife’s and my 2 cents regarding this topic.
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If anybody is interested--my 65" has just finished it's third panel refresh. The first occurred at ~400 hours. The second at ~600 hours. And, the most recent at ~ 800 hours. So, it appears that the panel I have will now have an interval of ~200 hours between every panel refresh cycle. Each time the refresh happens, there are no problems. When I turn the set off for the night, and it is time for the cycle, I get the notice that it will do the refresh. I leave the set off for ~18 hours before using it again. Then, an on-screen message says that the cycle has finished.

Just FYI for anybody that may care about this topic.

My set is at ~675 hours after one year and hasn't performed a single major refresh.
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The 77” is supposed to have the 2020 panel. Suggest you talk to Robert Zohn at Value Electronics about the 65”.
This is interesting. I looked at the build date on mine. April 2020. I’ve never had a TV manufactured within a month of purchasing. Do we have any details related to the panel difference?
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We owned a 75” Z9D before getting our 77” A9G OLED. Both are great TVs, but we prefer our OLED over the Z9D LCD in our small dedicated light-controlled audio-video room. We mostly watch DVD/BD movies via our BluRay player as well as streaming from our Apple 4K TV. Of course YMMV, but in our environment and with our viewing habits, our OLED is highly preferred. Just my wife’s and my 2 cents regarding this topic.
I agree Bob. Even my good lady who usually has no interest stated; this is very good. How much? You see, every thing I purchase is from the $75 shop. Joking aside she knows. I really like Apple TV 4K. It’s so much richer than Netflix, fire stick, prime etc. Mad Max Fury Road has a whole new dimension on the A9G. No buyers remorse here.

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The 77” is supposed to have the 2020 panel. Suggest you talk to Robert Zohn at Value Electronics about the 65”.
This is interesting. I looked at the build date on mine. April 2020. I’️ve never had a TV manufactured within a month of purchasing. Do we have any details related to the panel
difference?
I think the pixel structure is different.

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The 77” is supposed to have the 2020 panel. Suggest you talk to Robert Zohn at Value Electronics about the 65”.
This is interesting. I looked at the build date on mine. April 2020. I’️ve never had a TV manufactured within a month of purchasing. Do we have any details related to the panel difference?
So how do you like it? I think Sony also tuned the processor for better low level luminance performance.

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We owned a 75” Z9D before getting our 77” A9G OLED. Both are great TVs, but we prefer our OLED over the Z9D LCD in our small dedicated light-controlled audio-video room. We mostly watch DVD/BD movies via our BluRay player as well as streaming from our Apple 4K TV. Of course YMMV, but in our environment and with our viewing habits, our OLED is highly preferred. Just my wife’s and my 2 cents regarding this topic.
I think you are doing yourself a disservice NOT having a UHD 4K deck. You paid a LOT for a 4K panel...let that baby rip ! Break down and buy a Panasonic 820 for about $400. That is definitely THEE best uncompressed picture you can possibly get. Just Do it.

Sure 2K Blu-ray look pretty doggone good on your A9G.

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If anybody is interested--my 65" has just finished it's third panel refresh. The first occurred at ~400 hours. The second at ~600 hours. And, the most recent at ~ 800 hours. So, it appears that the panel I have will now have an interval of ~200 hours between every panel refresh cycle. Each time the refresh happens, there are no problems. When I turn the set off for the night, and it is time for the cycle, I get the notice that it will do the refresh. I leave the set off for ~18 hours before using it again. Then, an on-screen message says that the cycle has finished.

Just FYI for anybody that may care about this topic.
If I am not mistaken, the regular interval should still be about 2000 hours. I would definitely not perform the refresh every 200 hours. My A9F had the same issue after the update to Android 9 and Sony told me not to perform it that often. There are are cases like this to be found on other forums, so it seems to be a problem that affects more owners. Let's hope an update will fix this one day.
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My set is at ~675 hours after one year and hasn't performed a single major refresh.
I've had mine for a year as well, and still no major refresh.
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Maybe my new issue will make you guys feel better about yours, spent many hours rerunning wire since I moved my speakers around to mount 4 on the ceiling and stepped up the center channel to really get the full experience. Wouldn't you know after all that, I go to rerun Audyssey and the mic jack is apparently bad after trying someone else's mic, doing a soft reset, and then 5 microprocessor resets. So now I don't know what to do after spending all that time and really being tired of hooking stuff up and playing with the receiver. Guess I should see if I can do a calibration and maybe get them to also calibrate the receiver as well for the new speakers?
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I understand D-Nice posted different calibration settings that were dependant on the panel manufacture date, but do you mind sharing where you found this information?
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I wonder if performing a reboot of the set, for internal app lock-ups/freezing or other issues, is affecting the panel refresh schedule?
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Is it in the service meny you can see how many hours its been turned on?
If so how do i get there?


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I've had mine for a year as well, and still no major refresh.
my 77AG9 purchased in June 2019. No refresh of the panel.
If I have nothing in July, should I do it manually?

why do some have so much panel refresh when i did the updates like everyone else?
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Is it in the service meny you can see how many hours its been turned on?
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when your tv is in standby, press i+, 5, volume + and the power button on your remote (in this order).

On the screen that appears select "self diagnosis"

The three rows of digits in the bottom of the screen should display total operation hours, boot up count and panel hours (from left to right)

Do not change anything in the service menu, unless you want to brick your TV

I would, however, not trust these numbers. On my A9F they somehow kept jumping back and forth (after about one year it displayed about 200 total usage hours, which cannot be right given that the TV was running for about 3-4 hours each day). Then, after a while it was only about 150 etc..
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I agree Bob. Even my good lady who usually has no interest stated; this is very good. How much? You see, every thing I purchase is from the $75 shop. Joking aside she knows. I really like Apple TV 4K. It’s so much richer than Netflix, fire stick, prime etc. Mad Max Fury Road has a whole new dimension on the A9G. No buyers remorse here.

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Agree 100%. We like our Apple 4K too, and also still spin disks on our OPPO 203 including a few 4K HDR movies which we own. The A9G brings out the best of our DVD/BD collection too. The A9G is the best TV that we’ve ever owned which even my wife, who normally isn’t into into these things totally agrees.
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I think you are doing yourself a disservice NOT having a UHD 4K deck. You paid a LOT for a 4K panel...let that baby rip ! Break down and buy a Panasonic 820 for about $400. That is definitely THEE best uncompressed picture you can possibly get. Just Do it.

Sure 2K Blu-ray look pretty doggone good on your A9G.

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Oh, my dad, Bob Fosse has passed, but I am the other Bob Fosse

I’m a bit confused as to your comment regarding doing myself “a disservice in not having a UHD 4K deck.” If you look at my signature you will see that I own an OPPO 203; in fact 2 of them. Are you saying that the OPPO 203 is not a 4K UHD player
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Bob, I hope this clears up why I thought you were operating without a UHD 4K Blu-ray

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We owned a 75” Z9D before getting our 77” A9G OLED. Both are great TVs, but we prefer our OLED over the Z9D LCD in our small dedicated light-controlled audio-video room. We mostly watch DVD/BD movies via our BluRay player as well as streaming from our Apple 4K TV. Of course YMMV, but in our environment and with our viewing habits, our OLED is highly preferred. Just my wife’s and my 2 cents regarding this topic.
Bob, in my original message to you, I was going off (see highlighted, italicized and underlined comment quoting you. I think I highlighted your quote last time too. You said "We mostly watch DVD/BD movies via our BluRay player." A DVD/BD is certainly not a UHD 4K disc; it is, well, a DVD (2K 480p), BD (again, 2K/1080p), but this is NOT a 4K UHD.

My bad for not catching the equipment line, but nevertheless, the information you shared on your viewing habits stands for itself. "No good deed goes unpunished." Who said that anyway? Well, I was perplexed that with such a "badboy" of a panel as the great SONY A9G, watching mere DVDs or even 2K 1080p discs was dwarfing your viewing experience. Just trying to help, my friend !

Sooo, are you actually The Great Bob Fosse's son? If so, it certainly goes without saying that he was admired and rightly esteemed, and you have right to be proud !

Hey, thanks for the update. I am also the owner of an Oppo 203...love that thing ! I am a sucker for a backlit remote, especially in our dark-downed theater room.

Rock on !
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I think Sony also tuned the processor for better low level luminance performance.
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I think the pixel structure is different.

I understand D-Nice posted different calibration settings that were dependant on the panel manufacture date, but do you mind sharing
where you found this information?
I think Vincent Teoh from HDTV Test said the pixel structure is different on the LG CX or the Sony A8H and I think the bit about the Sony A9G chip being retuned came from the mini shoot out Value Electronics had between the CX and the A9G.

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