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Don't feel bad; I have an X930E with a similar set-up, but it still took me 5-10 minutes to find the setting in the A9G because Sony decided to hide it under one additional level of menu hierarchy compared to my other Sony with Android TV.


My brother has 2017 Sony TV and I know he wasn't getting 4k + HDR from PS4 Pro for ~6 months because he didn't know about the Enhanced Mode HDMI setting until I told him. This is certainly not intuitive for the average consumer.
I can say I love the snappiness of the settings popup bottom screen to access pic controls, and all the detail when you hit "display", compared to the A1E and A8F, but I still hate hunting the other settings. The A9G is so much snappier than my A8F and A1E.
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My dealer told me the price was said to be solid through August.
Probably on the A8G and A9G, but not for LG.
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Any indications of a price drop incoming for the 65 or 77? I'd prefer the A9G to the C9, but that price difference for the 65 is a bit much.
As a matter of fact, yes on the C9.
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I can say I love the snappiness of the settings popup bottom screen to access pic controls, and all the detail when you hit "display", compared to the A1E and A8F, but I still hate hunting the other settings. The A9G is so much snappier than my A8F and A1E.

I also appreciate the pop-up menu bar and overall responsiveness of the menus compared to that of the X930E. Three weeks in and I really don't have any significant complaints about this TV. I also noticed that the wifi module is improved compared to that of my X930E and I can get a stable 250 Mbps over 5GHz wifi compared to roughly 150 Mbps for my X930E.
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It's not redundant though. HDR Optimizer tone maps to 1000 nits and then the Sony tone maps to what the TV can handle (650-700 nits). The TV has a much easier job handling this. The HDR Optimizer has been proven to be spectacular by reducing clipping in the HDR effects while not darkening the screen (something many tone mapping algorithms have issues with).
Performing tone mapping twice meets the definition of "redundant"

I haven't seen any reviewers claim that tone mapping in the player first makes it an "easier job" for the display and it's probably not necessary. In fact, I'd guess that it's potentially detrimental because you're passing an already manipulated image to the display, which will then manipulate it further.

Tone mapping in the player is certainly beneficial for displays that tone map in a way you don't like (hard clipping vs. preservation of highlight detail) as long as you can disable it in the display. I believe LG lets you make adjustments, but not Sony.
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Performing tone mapping twice meets the definition of "redundant"

I haven't seen any reviewers claim that tone mapping in the player first makes it an "easier job" for the display and it's probably not necessary. In fact, I'd guess that it's potentially detrimental because you're passing an already manipulated image to the display, which will then manipulate it further.

Tone mapping in the player is certainly beneficial for displays that tone map in a way you don't like (hard clipping vs. preservation of highlight detail) as long as you can disable it in the display. I believe LG lets you make adjustments, but not Sony.
All the experts suggest using HDR Optimizer (including vincent teoh). Use what you feel gives you the best picture though. I did A/B demos with my B7A and it was night and day better with the panny doing it. I'll likely do the same once I get my Sony but I expect at worst case it's identical.

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Problem with some of the LG's is they dimmed down too much to preserve highlights, I'm of the school of thought that if a display can only do 700 nits, clip everything over it, don't dim. Probably why I like the Sony's.

The Optimizer can add some detail back without dimming the image, but can also produce banding, granted it is not often. I've learned as I get older to stop chasing the 1% on displays. Just buy a quality reference display, have it calibrated and move on with life.

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I don't believe the B7A even offers dynamic tone mapping, so the HDR optimizer may be useful in that case, but the A9G has very good dynamic tone mapping
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All the experts suggest using HDR Optimizer (including vincent teoh).

Right, with displays such as the B7 and front projectors. I haven't heard anyone recommend enabling it with the A9 series.
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Can someone with an a9g please tell me how I turn the enhanced input on I’ve looked in every setting possible can’t find it on my a9f it’s very easy to find on the a9g I can’t find it what so ever
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Can someone with an a9g please tell me how I turn the enhanced input on I’ve looked in every setting possible can’t find it on my a9f it’s very easy to find on the a9g I can’t find it what so ever
Are you asking about the A9F? Hard to tell. Anyway, the setting is under Settings>External Inputs>HDMI signal format.
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Are you asking about the A9F? Hard to tell. Anyway, the setting is under Settings>External Inputs>HDMI signal format.
thanks for the quick reply no i am asking for the a9g i also have the a9f which it is very easy to find
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thanks for the quick reply no i am asking for the a9g i also have the a9f which it is very easy to find
As they both run the very same OS I would guess it's in the very same menu location.

Found at the Sony site under the A9G support section.
https://helpguide.sony.net/tv/gusltn.../04-09_02.html
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As they both run the very same OS I would guess it's in the very same menu location.

Found at the Sony site under the A9G support section.
https://helpguide.sony.net/tv/gusltn.../04-09_02.html
is it possible my receiver is somehow messing something up becuase i cant get that setting to pop up there is no external inputs setting in the tv menu
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As they both run the very same OS I would guess it's in the very same menu location.

Found at the Sony site under the A9G support section.
https://helpguide.sony.net/tv/gusltn.../04-09_02.html
never mind i found it it was in the watching tv section whoops lol thank your for the link and your help
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Anybody have issues with ABL in HDR mode on the A9G? I'm hearing a lot of LG C9 owners complaining about aggressive ABL. Thanks.
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Definitely not have noticed any unexplained dimming in about a weeks use.
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I don't believe the B7A even offers dynamic tone mapping, so the HDR optimizer may be useful in that case, but the A9G has very good dynamic tone mapping
It does but it clips especially if the movie was mapped at 4000 nits. Turning on the optimizer enables the details without the clipping.

It really comes down to if you like the Sony or Panasonic tone mapping better. There is no harm in having the Panny tone map to 1000 and have the TV take it from there. It feels like some of you are too alarmist about having both the Panny and TV tone map. Watch this video from Vincent for more information,

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Anybody have issues with ABL in HDR mode on the A9G? I'm hearing a lot of LG C9 owners complaining about aggressive ABL. Thanks.
The ones complaining are using it as a pc monitor, which has lots of white or bright space with desktops and things.

I actually think if you read reviews Sony tends to be more aggressive with their dimming.
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The ones complaining are using it as a pc monitor, which has lots of white or bright space with desktops and things.

I actually think if you read reviews Sony tends to be more aggressive with their dimming.


That’s because Sony dims static scenes. Scenes with moving objects don’t dim anymore than my c8 does. I have both sets and can verify this. No overaggressive dimming on either.
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2019 Sony A9G Master Series OLED Owner's Thread

^^No overaggressive dimming at all. Dimming was a big problem with the a8f but not a problem at all on the a9g. Vincent shows that dimming has been fixed in his A9f review at the 23:30 mark, and the result on the a9g is similar.

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Has anyone checked the actual power usage of the 77”?
Sony claims about 650 watts which would be quite a room heater.
Have seen a few other claims of wattage but some are as low as 150 watts so really confused.
My old 63” plasma is 500 watts and is very noticeable in heat output.
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That’s because Sony dims static scenes. Scenes with moving objects don’t dim anymore than my c8 does. I have both sets and can verify this. No overaggressive dimming on either.

I haven't noticed any dimming on the A9G yet, so it seems subtle enough as to be irrelevant for most applications. I have yet to try an HDR game, however.
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I haven't noticed any dimming on the A9G yet, so it seems subtle enough as to be irrelevant for most applications. I have yet to try an HDR game, however.


It passed my fifa soccer test with no issues.


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Got my rear surrounds setup last night, so not much more viewing went on, but once they were done I just fired up Netflix and Avengers Infinity War to listen to a couple of battles. It is only 11 mbps HD 5.1 DD on Netflix, but it looked very sharp on the A9G, so much that I was surprised how it looked. I am not cheating on you 4K Blu-ray, don't be worried, because it definitely lacked the HDR highlights and contrast ratio that make OLED and HDR so special. As far as the surrounds, this is my first time with a 5.1 system, and the difference is there. You move the action from in front of you, to around you.
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Sony claims about 650 watts which would be quite a room heater.
Have seen a few other claims of wattage but some are as low as 150 watts so really confused.
I think the 653 W listed in the manual is a maximum number, which probably happens when the TV gets into average brightness limiting. The actual watts used will depend on things like the image being displayed, the TV settings, and if the content is HDR. Generally as the TV gets brighter it will tend to use more energy.

The energy guide tag lists 338 kWh per year for 5 hours of use per day. I'm not sure of the exact math used for the label, but I think that works out to an average around 183 W in use, presuming stand-by usage is included in the label. Doing the same math on the 65" is around 152 W, which falls between the uncalibrated 146 W for SDR and 185 W for HDR listed in the FlatpanelsHD review. Short of an energy meter to measure your own specific usage, calculating off the energy guide tag is probably a decent guess at what Sony is expecting for average usage.
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Thank you for that alluringreality.
That would explain the various power use results I have seen.
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I'm still not getting eARC to work on this TV properly. The Receiver has gone from displaying DD+ to Dolby Surround with no change in the settings.

I am wondering now if the Ultra high speed HDMI 18GB with Ethernet is still insufficient and have ordered some 48GB 8k cables from Monoprice that specifically say they suit eARC. Those are surprisingly hard to find and even still, do not include ethernet in the spec.

On the plus side I went to Best Buy to order a 65" and they had a $500 gift card offer with every purchase. Backordered though so i have to hang onto my 55" for a few weeks in the meantime.
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I'm still not getting eARC to work on this TV properly. The Receiver has gone from displaying DD+ to Dolby Surround with no change in the settings.

I am wondering now if the Ultra high speed HDMI 18GB with Ethernet is still insufficient and have ordered some 48GB 8k cables from Monoprice that specifically say they suit eARC. Those are surprisingly hard to find and even still, do not include ethernet in the spec.

On the plus side I went to Best Buy to order a 65" and they had a $500 gift card offer with every purchase. Backordered though so i have to hang onto my 55" for a few weeks in the meantime.
What’s the $500 GC for? This tv specifically?

Anyone been doing hdr gaming on this tv?
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What’s the $500 GC for? This tv specifically?

Anyone been doing hdr gaming on this tv?
Basically a promo in Best buy that if you buy the 65" they give you the gift card. Specifically on this TV
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Basically a promo in Best buy that if you buy the 65" they give you the gift card. Specifically on this TV


Where is this Best Buy? No GC at mine on this TV.

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